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Open Question- How Best To Counsel The Depressed?
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Here is a question for y’all, especially those of you who have been through situational depression. What helps the most? Just as importantly, what should be avoided?
Astrologically, I am talking about a Virgo Moon suffering a Saturn transit and feeling that now is forever.
Thank you…
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Saturn in Virgo: Madonna In Meltdown
Astrology in real life
You may or may not know that Madonna has a Virgo rising and a Virgo moon and is now suffering a Saturn transit over her ascendant (body). Ruler Mercury is also in Virgo for that matter…
“The Queen Of Pop has sacked two dancers and her tour manager is threatening to walk out over her spectacular moods.
And for the first time, despite her incredible fitness regime, her health has started to suffer.
Doctors discovered Madge is anaemic, a surefire sign she is overdoing it, and she also suffered a painful knee injury…”
Read the rest: The Sun
The knee is an obvious Saturn symbol, it begs she slow down and the reference to her moods (the Moon) suggest (peri?) menopause. In whatever case, she is aging and the relationship troubles are another manifestation of Saturn transiting the ascendant impacting the 7th house.
Any Virgo risings out there feeling their age? What about Virgo Moons? How are you faring?
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Regrets Losing Friend After Sending Nasty Emails: Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
Recently, I broke off my friendship with a really nice woman I had met online. We were friends for about 10 months, although we never met in person. I ended it badly by sending nasty messages to her. It was a tough time for me trying to understand her and I was/am confused about myself and my feelings for her. I’m not sure if I loved/ love her or not but I sure was/am obsessed with her.
I did some bad things (like lying and sending nasty messages to her) which is something I don’t imagine doing to anyone in my real life and for which I feel terrible. Now that she is gone, I miss her and don’t know what to do or how to live my life or how to return to normalcy or how to move on.
I wonder what this whole thing is about and if I incurred some really bad karma or karmic debt which I may never be able to repay (or is it just my illusion) and also what is it for me to learn from this incident/event. I also wonder if there is any chance of reconciliation. I wouldn’t want this experience to have a negative influence on my future/life for my intentions were certainly not to hurt.
Aquarian Light One Friend
India
Dear Aquarian,
I don’t know if you can reconcile and repair your relationship with your friend but I tend to doubt it. People rarely want to be friends with people are nasty and lie to them, so what is left for you to do is gain from this loss if you can manage. But to do that, you are going to have to take responsibility.
As is it your mail sounds like this (in between its elevated language).
“I fired at my friend and now I have all these bad repercussions. Perhaps now I will be a victim who suffers my whole life long when I never meant to hurt anyone and my intentions were completely honorable when I sent those nasty mails…”
Now that is what I read and something does not compute. Here is the humble version:
“What was I thinking when I sent those nasty mails? I must be incredibly arrogant to think someone would tolerate that. When did I become so thoughtless, self-centered and low-minded as treat a friend so poorly?”
Then comes this:
“Jeez Louise, talk about learning a lesson. I’ll never do that again…”
As to the astrology, you have Saturn transiting your Pisces Moon and it begs you learn compassion. Not for yourself but for others.
Good luck.
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Gemini Woman With Moon In Pisces Feels “Dead”: Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
Some things that have been bothering me for a long time now have finally come to a head this week, and I feel like the Dead Girl.
Literally. I feel like my life is over, and that it ended badly. At some point in my childhood (I even remember the day), I felt so incredibly hurt by the people around me that I decided then and there that I would NEVER deliberately hurt people the way I was being hurt. It became the meaning of my entire life.
I feel I have hurt people this past year, and I just… can’t… get past it. My life feels meaningless. Everything is just a motion I’m going through. I can’t figure out how to let it go. And the relationships in question have been cut off, not by me.
There are plenty of people who love me and want me to be happy, but none of that seems to matter. I am the Dead Girl, I have been for months now, and it’s really exhausting being here.
Gemini Dimming
United States
Dear Gemini,
You’re depressed! Saturn is transiting your Moon in Pisces which is a classic signature for this type of feelings. I would go as far as to say you can’t have a Saturn transit to your Moon and not feel depressed to some degree, so the first thing to know and to keep in your Gemini mind is the fact that the things your are feeling are transitory not permanent in spite of their intensity.
Beyond this, I would suggest you go very easy on yourself and try to put the people who would like to see you happy aside in the short term… because this is one of things that exhaust a depressed person. Trying to stay up for the peanut gallery that is. You’d do better to spend your time alone sorting through your feelings or talking to a close friend who knows what it is like to feel “dead”.
Seeing a counselor who can help you sort through this childhood (Moon) stuff that’s got you down (Saturn) would also be a good shot, but bottom line I think you will get through this just fine. Yes it’s dark but it is not going to stay that way. I would be willing to bet your mood lifts once the transit passes and just knowing it is going to pass on its own accord can do a world of good as can a bout of depression for that matter. Because you are by nature a compassionate person and having gone through a time like this, you will be that much more equipped to be compassionate and we need all the people like that we can get.
Good luck.
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Loss Of Relationship: Saturn Transit To Leo Moon
Dear Elsa,
I have recently broken up with my boyfriend whom I truly believed I would marry one day. We had a wonderful relationship; however, we began to fight and miscommunicate until he called it quits. I am shocked and devastated. I also greatly realize the mistakes I made during our time together, for which I am hurting badly.
In the three weeks we have been apart, I have been looking deeply into myself. I have discovered that Saturn is in conjunction with my moon, which apparently is a time of great self-criticism. I realize that is could be a good thing in the end, that I will grow and learn from this time. However, I am confused about a couple of things.
Is this influence a karmic thing? Does it mean this break up is punishment for my mistakes? I realize I need to change things for myself, but I never intended to hurt my boyfriend in the time I was with him, and was truly loving of him. I understand what this influence means, but I’m not sure why it has occurred.
Any help you can offer would be greatly, greatly appreciated.
Thankfully,
Heart-broken and Learning
Australia
Dear Learning,
I am very sorry for your loss. Your pain is palpable and I will try to help. First, a Saturn transit to the Moon (your Venus is also involved) is one of the most challenging transits particularly for the young and you are just 23. And I don’t think it’s helpful for you to think in terms of karma and punishment. It is clear you are suffering and at this point, you want to work to feel better not worse. And though this will also be challenging, it can be done.
Essentially what you are doing is grieving, which is a process. And having identified all your shortcomings (ouch), it is now time to shift your focus away from that and try to move towards acceptance. Accept the loss. Accept the price you paid - but instead of going backward and beating yourself up, try to focus on the future and figure out how you are going to incorporate what you’ve learned.
This can take the form (Saturn) of making a commitment (Saturn) to never again perpetrate whatever it was you did. Commit to doing “the right thing” in relationships. Commit to acting as an adult (Saturn) and you can even go as far as being grateful you have learned these lessons now, because you know what?
There are people 10 and even 20 years older than you, still acting the fool.
Much love and good luck.
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Young Man In Crisis - Mother Died From Cancer, Left With Alcoholic Father: Saturn, Neptune Transit to Moon Venus in Scorpio
Dear Elsa,
I am passing through some horrific setbacks and sad situations in both my personal and professional life. My mother has passed away on 26th May from cancer, which is a big blow to me since we were really close. I don’t share a healthy relationship with my father who is alcoholic as well. I was forced to quit my present job as well. In addition, I am facing enmity from some of my near relations.
Can you please advise if there is any way out for me? I am really feeling so low…
Thanx and regards
Grieving
India
Dear Grieving,
If reading your mail was not enough, I looked at your chart and nearly burst into tears. It is clear that your loss is staggering and I am so sorry you have to face something like this, especially when you are so young (25 years old). And I wish I knew a way out but I don’t believe there is one. I am so sorry, but this is a period you will have to go through and I will try to offer what I can in the hopes it eases your pain in the even the tiniest way.
First, I am pretty sure that this is as bad as it will ever get for you. You will make it through this time one way or the other by hook or crook, and when you do no one and nothing will ever be able to threaten you again.
Because what are they going to do? Kill your mother? Give her cancer? Make her suffer? Are they going to make your father worthless? What? Are they going to take your job? It’s already happened, damnit! So this is where you are headed - to extreme empowerment and here are my tips to get from here to there most directly and with the least pain which I am sorry to say, is still going to be excruciating.
You want to go into survival mode. That means shut down as many systems as you can. You don’t need to be arguing with a drunk for example. If your family members are turning on you (and with this much Scorpio I bet they are), you are going to have to let them. It’s like a forest burning down. You can get in there and try, but ultimately it is bigger than you and trying to fight the inevitable will only get you burned. You’ve just got to hunker down and let the thing burn… let nature take its course. Eventually it will burn itself out at that point you can take stock. Who is left? Who are your friends? What family do you have left?
And I want to tell you you’re not going to have much. I am sorry but I am just trying to warn you and really… tell you what you already know. You will be lucky to come out of this with one loyal friend so look for that. Look for the one good thing or person in your life and focus there while this fire burns. Now here’s a map:
In the very near term, you will still be coming to terms with the fact your mother is gone. Expect any depression to deepen as reality sets in; this is unavoidable. And although you are going to feel bad awhile, this will peak by August and then slowly… very slowly improve.
And although the blacker feelings will ease as Saturn moves out of aspect with your Scorpio Moon and Venus, you will still be dealing with a Neptune transit which will have you inordinately sensitive and emotional… perhaps crying at the drop of a hat. Tears come and you don’t even know why. Crying at movies. Crying when various music comes into your head. Crying because someone (finally) said something nice to you. Crying for the sake of crying.
And I know no way to make this easier, outside of telling you that you can be sure you are not crazy because you are going to wonder at times.
So basically what you have is the crisis of your lifetime. Look for a lifeline. Just one. And when you find it, hold on to it and ignore everything else the best you can. I’m so very sorry. I know you can make it through this.
Much love and good luck.
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