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Pluto Transit To The Moon - Mine: How To Help People Dealing With Loss And Trauma
Astrology in real life
llama writes on Pluto Moon Back To School Night…
Sometimes, especially with grief, etc., when people DO talk you wish they hadn’t. Better for them to say nothing than say something callous because they don’t know what to say.
llama, this is a very good point. A lot of people who commented thought these people should have said something to me and they might have but I can’t say I wish they would have. It was very emotional for me going into this new version of my daughter’s old school because I had such high hopes for her. She did eventually test in the 99th percentile - the girl is a bonafide genius and it was just never supposed to turn out like it has.
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The Mars Pluto Opposition Redux: What Is The Ultimate Result Of A Trauma?
Commenting on the comments
moonpluto asks on the Mars Pluto opposition blog:
“Does Mars Pluto do what it does and then leave… something fresh in its place? Or does it just leave the dead bleeding on the ground?”
Doreen Gordon has a good answer:
“Well I’m not Elsa, but I will offer my own experience which is that whatever Pluto seems to take away is always ultimately transmuted into something else, fresh, new, and sparkling. Pluto rules both death and re-birth, i.e., not so much death as transformation and transmutation, like the phoenix that goes up in flames and then is hatched anew. However…it isn’t instantaneous, think of new growth after a forest fire or a volcano. The land is usually barren for many months, sometimes years, and then when you least expect it, there are beautiful green seedlings dotting the landscape. Plutonian loss is usually accompanied by profound grief. Think of Elizabeth Kubler-Ross’s five stages of dying. If one is willing to make the descent with Pluto, what one encounters upon the ascent is well worth it although it will not have been easy. I say this having a Scorpio Moon squared by Pluto, i.e., what author/astrologer Judy Hall calls a Hades Moon.”
I agree with Doreen but think that some are in fact left “dead and bleeding on the ground” but this is only because they refuse to process and progress. Don’t you know people who are stuck and have been for 30 years? I do. They probably still wind up as Doreen outlines but it may take another lifetime or two or three.
Others process very quickly like I do. I can see the new growth within a week for sure, if not within 24 hours. I am so adept (practiced) at processing trauma I can grieve and celebrate the birth almost simultaneously by flowing back and forth.
When it comes to trauma, are you a slow or fast processor? How does this show in your chart?
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Black Moon, Scorpio Moon, Hades Moon, Pluto Moon, 8th House Moon, La La La
Astrology in real life
Speaking of astrology and timing, today’s Moon / Venus / Pluto hits my chart hard as does the Sun, Black Moon conjunction in Scorpio and things are popping. I’ve enough going on I should probably just put on my black clothes and simmer, but I have a storytelling gene and fact is I can do two things at once so I may as well.
So Moon Pluto, the black Moon, Venus with Pluto… these are all signatures of a powerful (or powerless) woman. We’re definitely talking about a woman, one back from the dead, or from your past.
With Venus involved there is a love relationship or maybe just your vanity on deck. In whatever case all this stuff is swirling around all of us and if you happen to be like me (or the soldier, whose angles are involved) then it’s very, very personal.
“I had this thought about your mother,” I said, today on the phone with the soldier. “You know how she took those pictures of me and then kept them for almost 30 years? She released them when she wanted something to move in the world. Something happened when she did that.” Continue reading Black Moon, Scorpio Moon, Hades Moon, Pluto Moon, 8th House Moon, La La La
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She’s Disinterested In Love Relationships, Her Friends Are Disturbed: Aquarius Sun, Scorpio Moon Conjunct Pluto
Dear Elsa,
I don’t know what the matter is with me. I know I’m young (19) but I’m simply incapable of holding a relationship. That isn’t even a problem to me; I really don’t like them and I am just wondering if maybe any of this can be explained through astrology?
I’m an excellent friend. I invest much time and devotion to my platonic relationships with no question or bother. But when it comes to that very same devotion in the romantic sense, I’m turned off. In fact, it sickens me. I’m so disgusted by the idea of dependency, particularly in the boyfriend/girlfriend sense.
Whenever I find someone I like, as soon as I know I can have them I’m bored. Or if that’s not enough, I’m pursuing five people at once to keep me occupied.
I know it’s unfair to those I’m flirting and fooling around with, but I told them in plain language I am not interested in a relationship. Still, they become attached where I simply do not, so I up and leave. Some of my friends find this a bit disturbing. Is there anything the matter with me?
Non-Committal
United States
Dear Non-Committal,
No, there is nothing wrong with you as far I can see. What you are doing may be non-conforming but you are honest and moral so I don’t know what else people should expect from you.
With your Moon conjunct Pluto in Scorpio I would go as far as to say that people are projecting their shadow onto you. By that I mean, part of them would like to be just like you. But rather than accept the dichotomy in their own person, they hang the part that “disturbs” them on you and this is what you are feeling.
But I also think this is somewhat true in reverse. You are an Aquarian and you sound just like one. You want to be “friends” but you don’t want anyone to get too close! Problem with that is again your Moon Pluto, which yearns for a deep merge and exchange with another person.
This is in your chart, though apparently deeply subconscious at the moment - which I would not worry about if I were you. Because what you’re doing right now is exactly right. There is no reason to change one hair on your head. But don’t be surprised one day when you meet someone who knocks your socks off when they access you on this other level. Then you will discover you are deeper than you can possibly imagine.
But now? Now you’re living and you’re living well. It is okay to be a person who experiments and is easily bored. And I can tell you with near certainty, the people who find you “disturbing” are disturbed themselves. You sound like an inordinately “together” 19 year old to me, so don’t let people hang that crap on you. And be aware you are likely to fight this all your life so you may as well get good at it. Good at scraping the crap people put on you and throwing it back, that is. Or at least throwing it down. But whatever you do, don’t internalize it because it has nothing to do with you.
Good luck.
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Pluto Transit to the Moon - Mine: She’s a Woman’s Woman With Sisters All Over This Land: One Of Them Is Cheating With Her Husband
Astrology In Real Life
I consider myself a massive, and complete man’s woman and I don’t think many would argue. But I am also a feminist with serious credentials. But this blog is not about me. It’s about I woman I know who fascinates me because she has such little use for men!
Now she’s a married, heterosexual but her husband is a complete afterthought to her. She’s pretty much disinterested in sex. What she loves is her sisters… which is basically any woman of any age who lives on this planet.
And she spends most her life supporting other women by being politically involved and planning or participating in women’s groups or circles. And she is always trying to get me to come to one of these things to which I respond… “Why would I do that? There are no men there.” I’ll say. To which she roars laughing. Continue reading Pluto Transit to the Moon - Mine: She’s a Woman’s Woman With Sisters All Over This Land: One Of Them Is Cheating With Her Husband
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The Scorpio Moon Blogs
Behind the Scenes at ElsaElsa…
Some days ago, I mentioned I had a mailbox full of Scorpio Moons. One gal I was going to consult with, the other two were requests for advice. I was throwing meat, buying time, maybe you remember. In whatever case, I got the work done.
On the questions, the first will load tomorrow and it wound up taking four blogs, so it will run through Thursday. Tomorrow’s post may be delayed because my editor is out of town…getting back late tonight and he may not get to it until tomorrow morning. So if that happens, you’ll know why.
Speaking of my editor, HQ, he only works on the advice posts. So all glaring errors in the other posts are mine and if you tell me about them, I will fix them. He’s also discovered something after the hundreds of posts he’s edited. That is, that posts from Pisces are the most challenging top edit. “Why can’t everyone be a Virgo?” he laments.
But what I was going to mention is my own Pluto transit to the Moon. Pluto is station in the sky right now, in exact aspect to my natal Moon. Hearing that, the eyes of the astrologers reading pop out.
So it’s been very interesting to have these intense posts to work on, while my own life is erupting. Actually, “erupted” is a better word. Pluto is slow moving planet (240 years to transit the zodiac). And I believe transits are far and away most potent when applying. When they’re coming in, that is. By the time they are exact, you are well acclimated.
Now I know a lot of astrologers feel otherwise. You read, particularly around Pluto that the transit is in effect for 5 degrees on either side of the exact aspect. Some people say 10! But I have been watching transits for a very long time and this is not my experience.
Now it may be that my experience is attributable to my ‘nature’ which tends to be very forward-looking. Very Jupitertarian, that is. Eyes on the horizon, I don’t really care what happened back whenever. So the last thing I am going to do is look back at a transit that was exact 3 years ago and think it’s still in effect! I’m a ‘been there, done that, what’s up next…” type person. Other people are the exact opposite and this could explain a lot.
But anyway, I thought I’d mention this. Because Pluto-Moon and Scorpio Moon are simpatico. And I thought disclosing this would add a wrinkle to the reading for some, and I am all for that.
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Powerful Sexual Presence - Pluto Square the Sun and Moon
Dear Elsa,
I have stopped looking at my chart a long time ago because I tend to only see bad things.
Three years ago, I started to really get depressed. I actually thought of dying many times. I was known as an excellent worker and student, but I’ve made many bad decisions. I’m very unsatisfied with my education overall, and concerned about finding a good job.
There have been in the past many men and women who wanted to be romantically linked to me. I’m actually a closeted homosexual but I cannot entertain the idea, I’m just too insecure of myself.
I wonder if there’s anything I should feel good about at all?
Sign me,
Pluto Squares My Sun and Moon
Dear Pluto Square,
Your chart is enormously challenging. Let’s just acknowledge that. And apparently you study astrology, so as you know your chart is a map of your life. So the first thing to do is accept a few things. Like the fact that, you’re no twinkie. You’re not a light-fare wisp. You’re not a walk in the park.
Well guess what? Neither am I! And things have gone a lot better for me once I decided to wear the coat I was born with, in the most overt way possible. I realize you are a long way from this but it’s where you need to head. I’m going to tell you a story which I hope lights the way.
Now I’m like you, I’m an intense piece of work. And I don’t know from your post if you are a man or a woman, but I know women are not supposed to be too, too sexy, less they’ll intimidate men. Maybe this is you. Or maybe you are a gay man… and same thing. You are forced to repress your sexuality to keep other people comfortable.
Well the first thing is, aware of it or not, people like you exude. The sex comes off you in a wave. And this is why the men and women are attracted, isn’t it? It’s because you are powerful, whether you like it or otherwise. But I promised a story, and here it is:
Four years ago I walked into a gym after a five year hiatus. I was in horrible shape to say the least. I looked like hell. I got on a treadmill, and was repulsed by my reflection in the mirror. But I stayed on the thing anyway. For twenty minutes! And when I got off it, with my head spinning so badly, I nearly vomited. I had been in shape for years, so you can imagine my disgust at how far I’d let myself go.
Six months later, I was on a crosstrainer when I saw “the guy”. Man, he was something. He was what can only be called “a sexy motherfucker”. He was mixed race, almost definitely gay, and obviously a professional dancer and God knows what else.
The guy could move, see. I watched him on the treadmill walking with STYLE and doing his various acrobatic moves. I have no idea what his moves were because they were his moves. Can you picture this? Someone so organically in tune with their body, well it’s very hard not to stare and be mesmerized
Was he showing off? No. I didn’t think so. Vanity is bullshit and this was something else. It was prowess. It was a guy who liked being in his body and I wondered, “What must it be like to be that guy? To have that kind of command and freedom to express?” Because he was just being himself. The sex that came off him in a wave was a byproduct and not a concern of his. It would be my problem if his strong sexuality bothered me.
So anyway, years passed. I’d see that guy now and then. Not that often. I assumed he was a performer and traveling. But he was always the same. Astonishing. And one day I saw him standing off any type of equipment, so I decided to tell him.
“Do you know you are the most interesting person I have ever seen in this city,” I said.
He smiled. I looked at him in a way to let him know I was not hitting on him. I mean, not only did I think he was gay but he was also out of my league! ::laughs:: I was paying homage!
Two more years passed. A few weeks ago, I collided with this guy again. I was in the corner of the gym doing my mat work. I’ve become pretty accomplished, you know. By God, I have. And you know what?
This time, that guy was staring at ME! Yes. He was watching me move. And I didn’t talk to him that day, but I will. I’m going to let him know that he liberated me by being liberated himself. And I am trying to do the same for you, now. And it won’t be fast, but it will happen. Because you can’t stop a chart like yours, okay? You are unstoppable. And if this guy can have his powerful sexual presence, and I can have mine… well then, you give me one good reason why you can’t have yours.
Good luck
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