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Astrology And Social Trends: Pluto Conjunct Juno - Will Traditional Marriage Comes Back From The Dead?
Astrology in real life
satori writes on Pluto’s Last Gasp:
“It seems interesting to me that juno is traveling right alongside Pluto along the sagg/cap cusp. it’s even turned retro at the same time. might be the herald of what you’re talking about re traditional marriage. “
satori - Good catch. That is definitely possible but does not feel personal to me. Having a 7th house Uranus, I don’t think in “traditional marriage”.
I mentioned men, women and parenting in the blog and my comment in the comments was in regards to something else - namely the fact that everything old is new again… eventually.
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Defending Denial: Is It Really Such A Dirty Word? The Opposition Between Virgo and Pisces In Astrology
Astrology in real life
I love this topic. Denial is one of those things that has a bad rap. No one is ever supposed to be in denial even though we all are at various times about various things for various very important reasons.
This goes along with the discussion a couple days ago about coping in crisis. I have found you are often better off not knowing it all as “all” when there is so much going on because if you could did it would overwhelm the psyche.
As an example, I have recently come through intense crisis. And apparently I gained some weight in the midst of this but lucky for me I did not know it. Everyone else knew it but I blurred it out because I just could not cope with even one more thing at the time. As things eased, I was able to see myself in the mirror and get back on track but boy am I grateful this was not shoved in my face at the time.
This subject is relevant now with Mercury (logic) in Pisces, a sign accused of denial but “denial” with the judgment taken out might be called, faith in God or faith in the universe which so many recommend. Because if it belongs in your lap it will surely wind up there eventually so here is this story about the soldier again, this time with a footnote below…
Eventually the soldier found out unequivocally that his wife was cheating on him and he divorced her immediately as he always said he would. “If I were to find out for sure… but I was never sure.” Had he faced this earlier his life would have been different for sure but who says it would have been better? And what about his son? The soldier’s son grew up with 2 parents courtesy the soldier’s denial. Does Saturn in Virgo want to judge that?
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Jupiter In Sagittarius: Speaking of Leaving Bad Relationships - What’s a Man Got To Say?
Outtakes and Various Other Sundries…
On the lousy relationship bead, and in the interest of Jupiter in Sagittarius (different perspectives) here is a man’s voice…
I was on the crosstrainer next to a man I’ve been casually chatting with for several years. I’d decided to ask him about his personal life since I’ve been discussing mine, lately. This is new territory for us and we have no chemistry by the way. Our affinity is purely intellectual.
“So what about you?” I asked. “What is your personal situation?” Continue reading Jupiter In Sagittarius: Speaking of Leaving Bad Relationships - What’s a Man Got To Say?
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The New York Times Reports: To Be Married Means To Be Outnumbered: Astrology, Love and Commitment
Astrology In Real Life…
“…The American Community Survey, released this month by the Census Bureau, found that 49.7 percent, or 55.2 million, of the nation’s 111.1 million households in 2005 were made up of married couples - with and without children - just shy of a majority and down from more than 52 percent five years earlier.”
I’ve been thinking about the dropping marriage rate. The first thing I thought was if they would allow gay marriage the rate would go right back up. But other than that, it’s a bit if a relief. Because although marriage does suit a percentage of people very well, some of us just plain, strain under contracts in general. I know I do. I have been married twice and was miserable from day one, both times! And it had nothing to do with the men.
The problem is that “marriage” is a shoe that does not fit my foot. At all! I have Venus square Neptune in my chart which describes a very leaky situation when it comes to “love”. My love is going all over, all the time so standing there promising to corral and contain it creates a complete disconnect. And that’s just the beginning of my woes.
So I’m standing there getting married… I’m saying the words I’m supposed to be saying and it’s a complete “sacrifice” because the words have nothing to do with my soul. And I have to say it’s a great relief to get a little older and have the ability to communicate this.
I am either in love with you, or I am not! I am devoted or I am not! I am loyal to a degree that is astonishing and all a marriage license does is make me miserable to a degree that is nearly supernatural. So in many ways I am glad to see there are fewer marriages. Because I know via astrology there are gobs of people who feel akin to the way I do and this is very liberating.
On the other hand, I think it is hell on the kids! And single parenting is so incredibly hard. But so is living a life that is mismatched to your nature. And people who aren’t suited to marriage wind up divorced anyway!
So what if there were no stigma of any kind attached to being married or single? Would you say marriage suits you? Or are you more like me, cramming your foot into an uncomfortable shoe, the moment you say “I do”?
And where is your Venus? It’s sign and it’s aspects.
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Saturn in Leo Transit Through the 7th House: Mathematics Of Marriage and Composite Charts - Predicting Divorce
Just Blathering…
Still on this topic, with Saturn transiting my 7th house (relationships), I am learning about how people relate. And I didn’t mean to, but I came across the name, John Gottman who is a psychologist who wrote among other things, “The Mathematics of Marriage”.
Now this guy studied the hell out of relationship in an effort to be able to predict who would divorce and who would not with very limited data.
And he came up with a super effective formula. If he listens to a couple talk about *anything, for an hour, he can predict with 95% accuracy if they will be married or divorced within 15 years. If he listens for just 15 minutes, he can still predict this with 90% accuracy.
Now eventually he got so good at this, he found he could eavesdrop on a couple eating dinner in a restaurant and have a pretty good idea where they were headed.
In short, he found that marriages have a sort of DNA. In other words, the way we relate to another is hardwired! And in terms of astrology, this is very interesting.
I thought of the composite chart as the DNA of a relationship. Because it’s my experience if you are hooked up with someone, the composite chart is inescapable. For beginners, a composite chart is a chart of the relationship between two people.
And I just thought it was cool science is making now making the same kind of claims astrologers are punished for. That is, that these things are predictable! And I don’t know why this makes people so uncomfortable.
Personally, I’d just as soon have this guy listen to me talk to my lover and tell me in advance the relationship was going nowhere! That it was not going to satisfy!
And if he said, “You two are very fortunate,” I would like that as well! In whatever case, I think this is enormously interesting and what do you think?
How do you feel about a guy being able to predict the future of your relationship after sharing lunch with you and your partner?
What about an astrologer looking at a few charts and doing same?
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Marriage Conflict - Double Libra Married to Double Sagittarius
Dear Elsa,
I’m newly - and quite happily - married to the person I fully believe to be my soul-mate. We hardly ever argue - and, when we do, we fight fair for the most part. We relate to one another like we’ve been best friends since shortly after birth.
But there’s this peculiar dynamic that concerns me. She’s what I call a “simmerer”. See, it’s in my nature to be irreverent with someone I’m comfortable with. I think out loud and, inevitably say something that she will perceive as insensitive. I usually wish I’d thought before opening my mouth, but it’s typically too late. And then she’ll simmer about it - never getting loud or vocal - sometimes for quite a while.
How long she’d stay upset, I don’t really know… because I work really hard to “bring her back”. This action alone often causes resentment on my part. I think to myself, “What if I didn’t care enough?” I had to do this on our honeymoon. Here we were in Australia (and admittedly I did something stupid and immature to prompt it), but I felt the “punishment” was totally out of proportion to the offense.
Yet, when we do make up… things are as good as ever (for now, at least). But nothing makes me more upset than her being upset. I feel like my world is out of whack and off-balance. Quite honestly, she doesn’t seem nearly as concerned. If anything, she’s trying to prove a point of some kind. Bottom line is that it’s draining for the both of us - and we value our marriage too much to let it continue.
Are we forever doomed to this dynamic; this pout-and-make-up pattern? Does it have an astrological basis?
Help!
Curiouser and Curiouser
Dear Curiouser,
Okay, listen up. You are right. She is not as concerned. She is a double Sagittarius, you are a double Libra. In fact, you have you Sun, Moon, Mercury, Mars, Pluto and Uranus in Libra. That is one hell of a lot of Libra and guess what Libra rules? Partnerships! Marriage. So get this loud and clear:
NO ONE IS AS CONCERNED ABOUT “RELATIONSHIPS” AS YOU ARE! Your entire life is about “the other”. And I am not being critical. I am just saying, this is the way it is and if you can come to understand this… that other people have wildly different priorities, it will save you copious amounts of grief.
Now if you read your question up there, it’s very clear that you are focused on how two people relate. That’s fine, but it won’t help you much and I’ll tell you why. It’s because you can’t control your wife… not even one bit. But here’s what you can do:
You can embrace your nature. You can focus on the other, but in a more productive way. That is, you can try to understand her nature so that you can be a better partner and I’ll give my read on this scenario.
Your wife is a double Sadge. She needs tremendous room to roam. Like a wild horse. Wild horses do not like to be balled and chained… which is how it feels to her when another person is underfoot all time. Including on a honeymoon, okay?
Because to you, a honeymoon is one thing. To her, it’s probably primarily TRAVEL, and hopefully with someone who can hit the ground running. Are you getting the picture here? Because I bet you this is the underlying reason why there is conflict. She gets all kinds of skittish when she is too reined in.
So this is my advice: if you want your wife to be happy, read everything you can find on Sagittarius, and act accordingly. In short, she needs everything that wild horses need to be happy. A little food, a little water, some sex… but more than anything she needs to run, unfettered. She needs another perspective. She needs a ‘new vista” and she needs this alllll the time.
And as for giving back (my own Libra moves to balance) - you need to know you’re in a RELATIONSHIP. Which means she needs to be calling you from wherever… and letting you know that she loves you… that she is your partner. Do this for each other and you’ll be well on your way.
Good luck.
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