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Saturn In Virgo: Control Is Control Is Control Is Control Is…
Commenting on the comments
Charlotte asks during a discussion on the “Splainin’ Myself” blog:
“…it is more like challenging someone. Isn’t that (reportedly) a good thing? Saying to someone, “I know you can do better” isn’t the same as “You must be more like this or like that” is it? It’s a fine line I suppose, where one can make you evolve and grow whereas the other makes you feel like crap.”
Charlotte - Assuming the person has not asked for feedback, I don’t see the difference between these two approaches. In both cases you are imposing your judgment and your priorities on the other person which to a person like me feels like a pure assault.
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Astrology And Criticism - Saturn (Stationary) in Virgo - OUCH!
Astrology in real life
I have had to traverse some pretty difficult terrain in my life and I am at it again. I have to say I feel like a very high level human being at the moment but that Saturn in Virgo is something else. Talk about critical!
I am under extreme stress but if there were ever a time I might be required to think and communicate to the best of my ability, this is it. This is the Olympics for Elsa… I swear I don’t think anyone else on this planet could do what I am doing now, in fact it is beyond comprehension; however I am vividly aware that I have trained for this all my life.
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Responding to Criticism…
Astrology in real life.
Saturn is in Virgo…
Kadiya wrirtes:
I read your blog regularly and enjoy the insights and info you provide. While I have lots of respect for you, there is a little inconsistency that my 9th house Pluto in Libra needs to point out.
How is it that you can say for us to have compassion for Britney Spears when you yourself don’t have compassion for an individual who wrote you two times for advice in a similar situation. And I remember seeing the emails, the emails that you wrote, that said that other readers wouldn’t be able to relate to her situation….
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Challenge For Writers (And Other Creative People) With Saturn in Virgo
Astrology in Real Life…
With Saturn in Leo hopefully you defined (Saturn) your creative self (Leo) and Saturn’s transit through Virgo will force edits. I am already noticing this big time.
For example I have gotten several emails advising me on the new videos, do this, don’t do that. Today’s comment on the story, “The Soldier and the Lesbian,” forced me to define (and defend) my writing. How Saturn in Virgo is that?
I also had some gal write me with scathing criticism about the blog in general. And while the beating was completely unnecessary and unwarranted, the point she made was utterly valid and I am going to act because of it.
So this is the job and my early impressions are this: People are going to tell you (or try to tell you) what to do at work. Some of them you should no doubt listen to. In other cases conforming would be a big mistake which leaves you to learn (Saturn) to discern (Virgo) who is who and which is which.
But if you do this successfully (and I think eventually most of us will) you are going to wind up with more command of your creative product… of your VOCATION than you could muster or manage any other way.
Anyone else notice themselves being nudged towards editing their creative output?
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Critical, Controlling Sagittarius Man With Family, Relationship Issues: Moon Pluto Conjunct in Libra
Dear Elsa,
I’ve moved back to spend some time with my family, after being away for about 10 years with no visits at all for the last 5 years or so. I’ve never been very into my family and while I’ve kept it “cordial” with them over the years, we’ve been having very exaggerated blowups since I returned.
Also a few months ago I suddenly started realizing a lot of things: that I felt very hurt by them since early childhood, that I spent most of my teenage years feeling completely detached from and oblivious of them, and that I was glad to get the hell out of the country at 17.
Further, I realized that I’m terrified of getting into any more relationships with women because I’ve gone from being a nice guy whenever I’m involved in a relationship, to kind of a scary, controlling freak. I always project upon women as if they’re a crazy, demanding bitch… but I’m not even sure what’s what anymore
Now I’d like to figure out what my way out of my issues is. Since I’ve been back, I pick on everything they do, criticize them mercilessly and they’re shocked. I don’t want to be this way, but it seems like I can’t have a discussion without having a fight. I returned in a very good mood and eager to rejoin my family, and instead I’ve been a wreck, lying in bed for the last few months, and letting several good career opportunities slide.
I don’t want to be an asshole and shred their self-confidence, even if I’m being honest. Then I’ll be just like them! Help!
Man With Issues
United States
Dear Issues,
It is clear that you have problems and need help beyond what I can offer in an advice blog. But perhaps I can give you some clues that will send you in the right direction.
First, you have no separation with your family. I don’t care if you traveled around the world and thought yourself independent: you carry their energy. The way I like to put it is, you have swallowed them whole. They live in you.
If you question this, go look in the mirror. Whose eyes are those? Whose eyebrows? You can see the physical manifestation of this, and I assure you this merge with your family takes place on other (all) levels.
So using this analogy, you can comb your (inherited) hair however you want. You can dye your hair or shave your head… but you can be sure that when your hair grows out, it’s going to be what? It is going to be your family hair. And you cannot escape this even if it is horribly disturbing to you.
And having Libra and a packed 7th house, I sure you want it to be them not you.
And having Aquarius rising I am sure you want to see yourself as an individual.
And having your Sun conjunct Neptune in Sagittarius, I am sure you want to be a high-minded spiritual sort.
But the fact remains, you have your family’s energy. The only way you are going to be able to resolve your problems is by understanding this, accepting and integrating it… so that ultimately you can have command of it and I’ll give you an example.
It is well and widely known that I was raised by a criminal and in fact I am not an innocent. I cop to having inherited a criminal mind and I use it on a daily basis to write this blog… which I feel is a high-minded service.
You can do the same with your family’s negative energy… but not until and unless you acknowledge you have been passed this baton.
Good luck.
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Virgo Analyzing and Criticizing Creative Art, Service and the 6th House: Buying Astrology Software - Learned This The Hard Way!
The Art of Criticizing Art!
I felt I should come back and add to my already expressed thoughts (Leonard Cohen Redux) on this because I have soon. Virgo is profoundly important in the scheme of… everything, but Virgo rules the 6th house… which is beneath the horizon. And this means that Virgo works should be done behind the scenes, before something (crosses the horizon) and become public.
Now if there is a problem with something that is already public, then Virgo should try to fix it… to HELP which is Virgo’s job but this should be done behind the scenes and I let me tell you, I learned this the hard way.
About ten years ago I upgraded my astrology software. I was upgrading from DOS to a Windows version of the same program, so this was awhile ago. More than ten years. Continue reading Virgo Analyzing and Criticizing Creative Art, Service and the 6th House: Buying Astrology Software - Learned This The Hard Way!
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Double Capricorn Suffers Criticism Of Her Social Skills
Elsa,
I was recently told by a stranger that I was basically socially inept. I would normally have brushed the comment aside, but I had wanted to be his friend and I hadn’t made a good first impression.
Later in the week, I was out with a close friend of mine and he kept making side comments that I was pushing myself to much - basically saying that I brag too much. I don’t try to brag and I don’t intentionally push people away, but I think both of these people really saw something that I haven’t been able to directly see or remedy. I don’t want to lose the friends that I have by my brash conversation, but I feel like this is who I have been for the longest time and I’m really proud of what I have done.
I’m fairly quick to point out my flaws but I was unprepared for this one. I’m pretty worried and I don’t know how to change… or if should I change at all?
Double Capricorn
Dear Capricorn,
I am with you all the way down the line. Based on your chart, I think these people are seeing something you may want to address. By that I mean, I can see the potential of you being perceived as a preachy know-it-all, even if this is not what you intend.
I can also appreciate the idea that you are not ill intentioned and you want to maintain your identity and integrity and I think the solution here is really very simple.
What you need is a “tweak” rather than some kind of overhaul or personality change. You can still be “brash”… you are brash! You can still be bigger than life.
But with this increased awareness you can smooth your presentation and I think you’ll find that a little goes a very long way. And better yet, it will allow you to explore various nuance in how you present yourself. In other words just because you have 1000 volts available, this does not mean you have to use them all, all the time! Get it?
I think these people did you a favor. I suggest you thank them in humble Capricorn style, make your subtle adjustments, then carry on kicking butt as usual.
Good luck.
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