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Her Husband Cheated And The Other Woman Is Pregnant - Saturn Return: Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
Well, my husband just told me he was cheating on me. The other women is now claiming she is with child. She lives with her ex-husband and still shares a bed with him, but says it my husband’s baby?
The caring forgiving person that I am wants to work this out but I can not deal with a child born during my marriage and let alone her. I love him but not sure what to do. Any advice?
Pisces Heading Into Her Saturn Return
United States
Dear Pisces,
I am enormously sorry you find yourself in this painful situation and while ultimately you are the only one who can make the decision what to do about this, I will give you my perspective both personal and astrological.
First, I would not be rash about doing anything because you don’t have good information. From the sound of it, you are right to question the paternity of the baby and even the validity of the pregnancy itself. So the first thing I’d do is breathe and try to ground.
You state you love your husband and you also state what you can and cannot tolerate. I respect both positions and for what it’s worth, I am pretty I would draw the same lines in the same places. But this leaves you to wait in a very painful place as you wait for the facts to emerge.
Now astrologically, you are headed into your Saturn return and I can tell you that you will not be clear until late summer, 2009. That means you have a long distance to run here but it does not mean you have to stay on this path.
What you want to do is go slow and take your time making decisions, because the decisions you make are going to have long term repercussions and just remember this: It is not you who is caught here.
In fact, assuming there is a baby… you are the one with all the options so just keep that in mind. This is your life and I strongly urge you to take the path that satisfies your soul. Unfortunately I don’t think this information is going to be apparent short term but ultimately you will get clarity and when you do - Leap! And once you do, don’t look back, and don’t look down - just go forward because faith is your strongest play.
Much love and good luck.
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She Cheated, He Cheated, She’s Pregnant, Now What? Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
My husband, a Virgo, and I have been together for 10 years. The past year has been rough. I left him because I was unhappy and ended up after 2 months apart having an affair with a mutual friend. He started dating a woman. This went on for two weeks until we decided to get back together. That was 6 months ago, and since then he has left me for her and come back to me numerous times. I have done nothing in the past 6 months but try and repair our marriage and take my responsibility for the role I have played. I am also about 4 and a half months pregnant with our first child.
Now he says that he loves the other woman and is not sure if he loves me or is staying with me out of guilt. I don’t know what to do. Should I leave and make the decision for him that he seems to have so much trouble making for himself?
Double Aries
United States
Dear Aries,
I feel very sorry for you because with 5 planets in Aries all ruled by Mars in Aquarius, I am sure that patience is not a strong suit. However this is the dismal situation for people like you (and I am one of them). We can’t just leave! We think we can and we wish and hope that this is the case but what we find out is you can’t get out until you get out and I can tell you right now if that time had come you would not be asking me what to do, you would already be long gone. This said, it does not mean you have to stay with a man who is sleeping with another woman and if that does not make sense to you, I’ll explain.
You can leave. You can get your own place and you probably should. You can tell him not to contact you until he has come to decision and you should probably do that as well. Just don’t mistake this for being “out” of this relationship because that will not be the case.
You have a long history with this man and you have his baby growing inside your body so you are nowhere near done but yeah. If I were you I would get my own place, take some space for sure. And quit fighting with him while you’re at it. Believe it or not, he will probably miss that… as no one spends 10 years with 5 planets in Aries and doesn’t like the heat.
Good luck.
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Astrology Today - See Yesterday
My eye on the sky
We have the same situation as yesterday except it’s intensified because the Moon has moved further into Aquarius and now conjoins Venus, Mercury, Chiron, Neptune and the North Node in the sign.
Mars is in closer opposition to Pluto as well but so?
This whole thing is going to break in just a few more days and the way I see it, this is like winter. Couple days from now will be the coldest day but when you’ve been cold for 3 months, who cares? Even a drama queen like me has the sense to detach with this much Uranus / Aquarius energy around.
If you have trouble today, go back for a refresher course of yesterday’s John Prine advice.
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Virgo Wife, Battered And Cheated On, Worries About Signing Lease With Mercury Retrograde: Astrology-Based Advice
Hi, Elsa,
I found out my abusive Aquarian husband was cheating on me on Xmas day. I was already prepared to leave him for all of the horrendous physical, emotional, financial abuses he’s heaped upon me throughout our relationship, but this other woman really threw me for a loop. To my knowledge, he’s had over 40 extramarital relationships in less than 5 years with me. We have no sex life whatsoever, and he always blamed me for that. I tried therapy with him, but he was never sincere and each session became an attack on me - and I was paying for it!
Unfortunately, we work for the same organization and the other woman is in his building. She is married with kids. I feel totally humiliated by his flagrant affairs all over the neighborhood where we live and the company where we work. It feels so debilitating to face this every day.
So, I’ve decided to get out. I’ve found an attorney and a place for me and my children to live. But here’s the problem: Mercury turns retrograde next week and I have to sign the lease and move in the middle of it. I already put down a deposit and filled out an application, contacted the mover, etc. I have to get out of here. This man is dangerous. He has assaulted me severely and is a pathological liar. Will I encounter difficulties signing the lease and moving during the retrograde? The intention has been there for weeks. Also, I keep fixating on why he wants this other woman and not me. I am an attractive woman, vibrant, intelligent, respected professionally, yet he’s never been there for me at all.
Is this a real relationship with her or another con? And how do I stop obsessing about him and get over all the pain and humiliation?
Beleaguered Battered Wife
United States
Dear Wife,
I would not worry about Mercury retrograde. Sign the lease and get the hell out. Some things trump other things and this is a case of that.
If you want some more astrology for reassurance, there is a sweet little thing called a Jupiter Saturn trine aspecting your Mars and you should have no doubt you are doing the right thing and will be supported by the universe. Your other challenges are also paper tigers, let’s get real (Saturn) about what is true (Jupiter).
A man who assaults women and has an affair a month does not meet some gal at work and transform into Mr. Wonderful. You know who and what he is and she will find out I’m sure. The guy sounds like a sociopath to me and it is not uncommon they be charming.
As for why he wants this other woman, he does not want this other woman, are your kidding? He wants to meet people, mess with them, ruin their lives. and move along. She doesn’t know this yet but you do.
Keep your head, keep your focus. You have your evidence, Virgo - now get out, get out, get out.
Good luck.
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Gemini Woman Flirts With A Married Man, Wonders Where The Line Is: Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
What do I do about flirting with a married man who’s flirting back? I KNOW it’s wrong, and I’ve no intention of being a homewrecker (he is married with children). I was in a relationship once before with a married man (who divorced after we broke up, though his wife never found out about us), and I don’t intend to walk that road again.
I met the current MM through a mutual friend and we hit it off really well, often able to finish each other’s sentences, and are an equal match in wit and verbal dexterity. We have started collaborating on a research project together and I’ve no doubt the work will be fruitful.
However, the verbal sparring matches, as they do, have taken on a decidedly sexual turn. We don’t talk dirty. Just funny, with a lot of innuendo. The irony of the situation is we reached this point after our mutual friend (not even his wife) accused us of having an emotional affair behind her back. She was doing the ‘I was friends with you first, and now you are spending time with her (online).’ We were indignant and annoyed at first, but didn’t want to complain or bitch about the mutual friend. I think somehow that got deflected into jokes about what she will think we are doing, even though we were just talking about work. And the jokes are beginning to have a life of their own.
Curiously, his wife is absent in the matter. I’ve never met her, and he mentions her on the odd occasion, but only in passing. I do not want to speculate on the state of their marriage, which I think should not govern my behavior anyway.
I intend to pull back on the innuendo, but have I crossed a line? Is there a rule book that says single women and married men can never be good friends? We have been chatting online for a couple of hours each evening for a few weeks now, partly for work, but a lot of it social too. Is that the same thing as seeing somebody for a couple of hours a day? Am I doing something ‘wrong’ that will inadvertently cause a lot of suffering later?
Moon in Capricorn Wanting to do the Right Thing
Singapore
Dear Moon,
If you have to ask, I would say you have crossed the line for sure. And never mind the “right thing”, you have a pattern here with married men. You have been involved with one and you are now involved with another. If you doubt this, check your language, Gemini.
You refer to you and him as “we”. We are doing this, we think this other. We reacted like this. He is not you partner!
You also cut the wife out and he does the same because she is rather inconvenient, yes? So hey! Let’s just ignore her.
Single women can be friends with couples and perhaps with married men but only if they respect the marriage, which is not what you are doing when you flirt and talk about sex with this man… and spend the day with him at work and the evening chatting with him on a computer. If you need a check on this, just ask yourself how his wife would feel if she intercepted your communications.
You’re both adults, you can do what you want but you are asking me so I am telling you: you are having a virtual affair with a married man and yes, people are going to get hurt - most namely, you.
Good luck.
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Leo Woman Has Affair With Married Scorpio Man, Wonders If She Is Being Played: Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
I worked with a Scorpio man for 7.5 years and couldn’t stand him! I made friendly peace, then he flirted with me and I was GONE. This is very bad, he’s married. Arranged marriage, not happy but still bad.
Anyway we had lots of hot phone talk, made plans, I kept putting him off and then mistakenly hurt him, apologized, wrote a hot and heavy letter about how much I wanted him, we made plans again. But he never came through. He just played me for weeks like a cat and his mouse until I finally said forget it to him I can’t do this anymore.
This whole thing with us was only supposed to be about sex, but it has become more than that for me and I did tell him not long ago that he had my heart. Now yesterday I spoke with him briefly over the phone at work and he told me I love you. Wouldn’t let me off the phone till I said it back. I’m totally confused and can’t figure out if he’s playing me, lying, entertaining himself? I do love him and I don’t know what to do. Please help with some advice. I care enough about him to put my lioness on the back burner!!
Leo Woman
United States
Dear Leo,
Reading your post was surreal. Of course he is playing games and entertaining himself! But what do you think you’re doing? You’re playing games and entertaining yourself! You are playing the kind of games where people wind up hurt and do you expect us to believe you don’t know this?
You may as well be someone who slaps their kid 100 times and then wonders why their face is bruised. Cause and affect for Godsakes. If you pour gas on yourself and walk into a fire, you will be burned. And once you’ve done this you are not going to be able to say, hey wait a minute! New game. I want to be an unburned maiden now.
With Jupiter conjunct your Sun in Leo, you have an inflated ego. You also like to play. You have Mars in Scorpio conjunct Neptune… you love to seduce and sneak around but jeez man. Stop with the complaining when the bill comes due.
You have Venus conjunct Pluto in Virgo as well. Virgo the maiden spoiled by the nasty Scorpio. Come on now. You set this whole thing up. You are no more his pawn than he is yours and if you don’t like the game, then quit playing it.
Good luck.
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Recently Married Aquarius Women Contemplates Affair With Co-Worker: Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
I am recently married and I am in love with my husband. My problem? I think this may be an Aquarius thing, or a Venus in Aquarius thing, but I feel like I can have feelings for two different people without the feelings interfering with one another. I am extremely attracted to a coworker, and I think the attraction is mutual. I try and suppress it, as I really do not want to hurt my husband, but I feel like my pull to him just gets stronger and stronger. He is single, by the way.
What can I do? I don’t want to hurt anyone or cause anyone pain. I am not planning on cheating on my husband but I really do feel afraid that I’ll slip up, and I don’t wanna do that. How do I get over this? I feel like this is pretty typical about the way I can see things - so detached all throughout my life.
Aquarian
United States
Dear Aquarius,
You either cheat on your husband or you don’t. There is no such thing, as whoops, I slipped on a banana peel and fell on this guy’s dick. And it’s nice you can have feelings for one person that do not interfere with your feelings for another person but I suspect knowing this is going to be of little help to your husband feelings should have the affair and he finds out about it.
And you say you don’t want to hurt him but you sound like you want to slip on that banana peel real bad. And you say you have just gotten married which tells me you are at a crossroads. You are either going to be his cheating wife or his non-cheating wife.
If you want to be his cheating wife… well, I think you know what to do. If you want to be his non-cheating wife, I know how to stop something like this. And my ideas may sound incredibly pedantic to some but they are anything but. It’s very simple. Quit looking. And I have done this myself and I’ll tell you how it works.
At one point, there was a man in my environment who was tempting the living shit out of me. It was like you describe… it is always like you describe because guess what? This happens all the time. People are attracted to each other in life. It’s not special, but anyway I was somewhat committed and here comes and goes and comes and goes this guy who just looks TASTY. And I was bugged out just like you. And I sought counsel, just like you.
“I really don’t wanna…” I said.
I wondered if I should confront the situation. We were always looking at each other so how about I get this out in the open?
I was wisely advised if I did not want something to happen this would be the worst thing I could do. Telling myself I would be trying to resolve it, I would actually be escalating the thing, see.
Long story short, I did as my friend advised. I quit exchanging glances. I simply didn’t look at him any more and I am pretty sure I did us both a favor. Because that guy and I were enthralled with one another for months. And had it been “right”, there would never have been the delay or the struggle.
I bet you anything he is as relieved as I am that I let the thing pass.
Good luck.
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She Has A Stellium In Scorpio, Boyfriend Of 2 Years Sent A Picture Of His Penis To Another Girl: Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
I get back from my classes and organization meetings. I begin to watch my favorite show that always put me in a better mood. But then a cold, dark feeling washed over me. Something bad.
I secretly know my boyfriend’s email log in information, along with his Facebook log in information. Immediately, I knew that he had to do with that sudden black cloud.
There’s this girl he worked with over the summer. I was in Tennessee then, at home and he lives in Minnesota (where I got to school). I read their messages on Facebook. They even arranged a lunch date. He’s planning to go spend time with her in South Dakota. But only if “you show me a good time.” He also has her name in his work info stuff. Saying that he also needs to keep her in line because she is a slacker. . . with
after it. He also had asked her if she had a non-school address.
He’s emailing her now?! So I went to check his email and there are two emails from him to her. One: Pictures of him and his penis. And he made a joke about how he said he was gonna fuck law school (the picture was of his penis on the top of the pages of his law book. By the way, they both have interests in law. I am a Biology and Art student. Her response to that email? She went “ugh. I shrieked when I saw and immediately deleted it!” And he went something along the lines of “Aww. Hehe.”
Another email was of more pictures of him. Not his penis, but just really, really good looking pictures of him. One of it even had me in it! Friends also! No reply from her yet. He emailed her while I was away at my classes and meetings. And that last email? While he was talking to me online.
Problem: Before the emails, when I had read about the South Dakota trip and the lunch date, I confronted him about it. I asked him. He said no. That he loves me and only me (we’ve been together for almost two years–it’ll be two in January). That he only wants me and that I am the most beautiful girl he has ever met. Meh, is what I said. We had a small argument over her. And finally, I said, fine, go. Go to SD and go on your little lunch date. I was still irritated but willing to put my trust in him on th line. And, well, fuck. I get this feeling. And I find these emails. He knows that I know about the trio and date because of
her responses— I only get to see hers if I log into my Facebook. But I get to see the convo on both ends if I sign onto his.
Now I am lost as in what to do. I love this man. I have been hurt before. MANY TIMES. My life was Hell before I met him. But now this. . . What the f***? What am I to do? This pressure and pain in my heart makes it even worse. How do I confront him? Should I confront him? What do I do? I have even thought of sending her a Facebook message. But maybe she will tell him and he will get all mad and defensive and shit. Help, please.
Thank you,
Stellium in Scorpio
United States
Dear Scorpio,
You are 21 years old. And I may be an old lady out of the loop but if my boyfriend had ever mailed a picture of his penis to another girl when I was your age (never mind pictures I was in), I would have picked him up and thrown him into the next state. It would definitely been the last he ever saw of me, so based on this I find your response baffling. Why would you put up with this?
It goes without saying you have no business logging onto his business. This is a character flaw, you know? You ought to do something about that, but first let’s deal with this man.
I understand you have been with him for 2 years but when something like this happens, as far as I am concerned, you have been with him 2 years too long. Especially when you are 21 and have no tie downs. No children, I mean. So here’s my advice:
Take your stellium in Scorpio that included a Venus Pluto conjunction and amputate. Cut this guy off, cut him off for good and I’ll tell you why.
It’s because he can’t be trusted. You will never trust him and if you can’t trust him, what do you have? Well if you’re a Scorpio, what you’ve got is garbage. Something to set out at the curb… permanently.
You can’t be trusted either, of course. You poke in people’s business, so if I were you I would take this whole thing as a wake up call. Resolve to partner with someone you can trust and to be a trustworthy partner, because this other stuff is going to lead you to nothing but pain and you said you’ve had a lifetime of that, right?
Well I believe you. So get your order of operations down.
Use your spider senses up front to suss out whether or not a person can be trusted. This is something you can know for the most part. If a person can be trusted, proceed carefully. If not ditch them and move to the next. It’s a different application of the same “stealth”, but this guy? He’s got to go. Because there a million men out there who can tell you that you’re the most beautiful. I say, where’s the meat?
Good luck.
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Open Question: Is There Karmic Retribution For Cheating On Your Husband Or Wife?
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Dear Elsa,
What happens to people, karmically, if they cheat on their husbands or wives? I know a woman with whom I work with, and she has 2 kids and she cheats on her husband with multiple men and he has no idea. Like, is there anything karmically that comes around to people?
She justifies this because she feels her husband is apathetic towards her. She does it, I think, like a drug addict. She likes the chase, the catch and then the conquer. Okay so I have a confession. I know all her secrets because I was checking her email and I can see the men she emails. She plays the victim, like “oh poor me I work so hard, my husband doesn’t think I’m sexy.” But, I can see emails from him to her saying hello beautiful, gorgeous, blah blah blah. Anyways, whatever. But it pisses me off.
She is sleeping with the president of my company, and she has also slept with other men who work in it, too. It’s just SO slimy! And she won’t leave her husband. She was also sleeping with another man in the company, but then when the President hit on her, she dumped the sales guy & went for him.
She has her same story that she tells these men. She tells them she is married and her husband doesn’t pay attention to her. Two of these men, the sales guy & the president LEFT THEIR WIVES FOR HER, and then she goes, no, I’m going to give it one more shot with my husband. She blames it on her strict religion (she is from Iran) and says she doesn’t want to break up her family. So she just goes around playing these men & they fall for it.
Anyway, I guess I just needed to vent. This woman is 36 and she is acting like this. I guess she is unhappy inside & sleeps with these men for a feeling of power, or I don’t know. It just bugs me, it’s slimy.
Are there repercussions karmically for stuff like that? Or it is just her own battle, we all have our inner battles, and this isn’t any worse than being an alcoholic or cheating on your taxes?
Office Snooper
United States
The writer is a 27 year old woman. Click to see the chart full size
So what do you think? Is there karmic retribution for cheating?
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Smart Girl Having An Affair With Her Married Boss: Taurus Sun, Aries Moon - Astrology-Based Advice
Dear Elsa,
I’m in a relationship mess. I moved to a new country about 8 months ago, for work. I love the work I do, it’s amazing experience, and the country is great, although it’s developing and it shows (electricity problems, bad roads, etc.). The problem is that this is not where I’m going to find the man I will be with; at least I’ve pretty much set my mind on it, I guess.
First, I think the men here are so unattractive, I mean really. I find it hard to find any that I think are even a bit cute! So that has made it difficult to find anyone to even flirt with a little to take my mind off of… well that will come, and therefore to start a new relationship with someone I would actually have a future with.
The big whamo problem is that I’m in love with a married man who is also my boss. He’s not that much older than me, about 8 years, he’s been married for only one year (although with this woman for about 10), doesn’t have any kids, and his wife lives in a different country, and since I’ve lived here has only visited once (although they see each other when he’s traveling).
I had already known him for about two months before he told me he was married, that definitely didn’t help. Since then I’ve been torn and angry and sad and frustrated and all sorts of emotions. I’ve tried to deny to myself that I had fallen in love with him. I know we should end this, I really do, I’m a smart girl and I know this is stupid. But I’m in love with him and I’m closer to him than anyone else and this entire country making breaking up harder since I won’t have the support of friends like I would back home.
When I need a hug for support, the only one who can comfort me is him. So the fact that I see him almost every day is what makes it even harder… he’s there, so if we break up (and we’ve tried and are currently trying but it never seems to work), we still see each other, we’re still around each other, we still want to spend time with each other and do other things to each other.
How can I resurrect my love life without sacrificing my professional life?
Taurus Lover
United States
Dear Taurus,
I don’t think you can. When you sleep with your married boss, you pretty much kill your opportunities at work right there. Even if you wind up married to the guy (and this will never happen), you will still be the talk of office, shunned and so forth. In other words, if you play you lose. You’ve played so all you can do at this point is cut your losses, which look to be significant.
Now you may love this guy but he definitely does not love you. He is using you. He initiated the affair with a lie and is exploiting your need for a “hug” and a father figure to get what he wants: sex.
Meanwhile you seem to be completely oblivious around what is moral… and arrogant beyond belief to call an entire country of people “unattractive”. It’s mind-boggling actually. What is unattractive is your boss’s lack of integrity. What is unattractive is your mindless justification of your behavior and the idea you would ask me how to come out of this situation on top, as if you deserve that.
Now you may think I am being mean but I’ll tell you something. As long as you remain this shallow, you are going to be ripe for the picking for men like your boss who wish to manipulate and control you. Considering the hard aspects from Saturn and Pluto in your chart, if you want to progress, you are simply going to have to look at your own face in the mirror and ask yourself, “Just what the hell am I doing here?” And then take steps to make things right and get your power back.
Beyond that, I would say you are 25 years old and you can come out of this okay. But only by paying the price and learning your lesson big time.
Good luck.
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