“I don’t want to be the rock people bang themselves against.”

I really, really, really feel that sentiment.

Elsa, I can see very well what you mean, as I wouldn’t go into the open at all, but rather leave a door open for those who really want to hear and are willing to pay for it or to value it in your terms. It never paid off to throw diamonds on the street.

“I can barely write this blog anymore, I disagree with so many of you. I mean, I am trying like hell but I am just so outnumbered.”

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It reminds me of the time I told those rich gals, both of them business owners that they had best sell their beanie babies as soon as possible because fact was the value would not continue to go up into the stratosphere. They were appalled. They thought I was a crazy bitch for saying something like that.

They were appalled so I quit talking (rather than debate and cause and have strife) and of course beanie babies can be had a yard sales today, 10 for a dollar if not sitting in a FREE bin.

Today’s situation seems not merely similar but the same. You get a big groundswell of something / some kind of belief and if you go against it… well it’s just not worth it. For what reason would a person do this?

Those women? I knew them via a salon.

Guess what I did?

I changed salons.

Yeah, I just didn’t want to be in the beanie baby collector salon anymore because it was too hard to hold up their delusion.

To stay there I either had to fight and argue or pretend I was stupid, didn’t know what I was talking about re: these beanie babies, all so they could hold on a little longer to their fantasy.

Some people would be entertained by this, watching other people be deluded but I am not. I am a Saturn Neptune type and feel very oppressed by people who deny reality and my primary response (defense / Saturn)) is to disappear (Neptune).

I know those gals remember me but thy probably don’t remember me well.

I was trying to help them but got into their un-comfort zone and from there it is a song as old as time.

It seems to me, Elsa, that once you choose to open yourself to the public, shit is gonna fly. You’ve been doing this for a long time, I gather, and have fielded more than your share of shit, I’m sure. I’m new here and just trying to navigate around but one thing I like about you is that you don’t pull punches.

And if I disagree with something you’ve said, I’ll tell you but not in an angry way. What the hell is that? Someone gets angry over words they disagree with? That’s like getting mad because I like escargot and you don’t. It’s the people who have the problem when they shoot the shit and you can’t take it personally.

I’m speaking from experience because I’ve always been a rebel who didn’t give a damn what people thought because I was driving on my own track. And if people didn’t want to drive there, well, that’s why there’s an exit.

You keep saying what you think and feel and I will listen and not ever get pissed off. Let those people who whine and scream find their own ballyard.

And Tam, yes. I do like to spend time with people who agree with me and are not on crack, I mean Jupiter Neptune. I need a respite from the persecution. I could curl your hair with stories.

I’m sorry you are experiencing this
I’m a fan of yours and I’ve been following you for a couple of years, Elsa, though I rarely comment on here. But I really appreciate your grounding presence in the online astrology community.

Would it be easier to skip the more polarizing topics and focus on the personal posts and the relationship topics? Or would you feel like you’re censoring yourself, or not being authentic (or of service)? I get a lot from absolutely all your blog content, but I can certainly see how it would be draining to give those speeches if you’re always in the minority.

Oh, and one more thing:

((Elsa))

WanderingStar - thank you.

While there is no absolute truth, making a certain reality evident becomes taboo. You get fired at, you get ludicrous and non-sensical comments that have not been thought out or processed before being communicated. It’s outright frustrating because on one hand you feel sorry and pity for such people and really wish you would’nt, and on the other you feel like the help you are offering(your gift) isn’t helping much. It’s enough to anger and discourage anyone.
I say, whatever. If that is who you are, that is what you have to do regardless of denial, lack of thought, or little-mindedness.

To be provocative can be a great boon just as it can be a handicap, even when this power is harnessed wisely. We are confronted with the abuse of it daily. It can be frighteningly alienating, and of course you’re against the current and that is a heavy cross to bear everyday.

I remain confident that we always come prepared.

Ditto Jessica!

And Elsa, I think lots of are feeling the same pain you are, just different versions and levels. Life pretty much sucks right now. Do what you need to do. Your being here for us has been helpful beyond measure, and entertaining as well. (Wow, when I think if the fun we’ve had…!!) I will miss you greatly if you decide to drop out of the picture, but I support whatever decision you make 100%.

((BIG HUGS))) Pink

I can see how it would be difficult to host and moderate a forum in which 90% of the people disagree with you on issues that you care strongly about.

For example, if I were hosting and moderating a forum where 90% of the audience were neoconservatives (I’m not saying you are, Elsa, only pointing out what my Doppelganger would be), that would get old after a while.

Regarding the beanie baby ladies, they asked me because I was “expert”. As I have mentioned before I was onto ebay, early. Before they had fees. Before Meg Whitman. So I was deeply involved in this which is why the new ladies to Beanie babies asked my opinion.

By the time they got in, the beanie babies had already peaked which meant they bought them at the top - paying $500-$1000 for some of them so you can see how my news would be fucked up to hear. But I did know what I was talking about.

I knew because I had good knowledge of the market but I also knew because of astrology.

There was stellium in TAURUS back then and everyone was COLLECTING. Some people are natural collectors but most are not so this was a CRAZE.

You get the idea. I KNEW this thing was over right as they got in it so…

They asked my opinion because they knew I knew about this and they were also amused by me. I was always telling them colorful shit, see? I was entertaining to them buy by God when this came out my mouth…

Well I had to be punished then. I had to be discounted and why was that?

It was because they had both just invested heavily in beanie babies and further, they’d run around to everyone they knew TELLING them what they had done and how smart they were. Getting the picture here? We’ve got to get rid of the %O%$$%^ Elsa!

Didn’t change the facts though. And this time around facts will also be facts but here’s the thing.

To get along right now you have to pretend that you also think that 6+4 might equal 13 and I just don’t want to play this game. Why not?

Because I don’t think it’s funny no more.

Nick Lowe - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kau75lzeYCw

I’ve been here for close to three years now, and I’m still here because I appreciate Elsa and her no bullshit approach to everything.

When my chart was read in the summer session of the Colosseum, that was the first time anyone hit the heart of the problems I’ve both faced and created for myself.

This is the only blog I’d be willing to subscribe to. While I couldn’t afford all the Colosseum sessions, I will never forget the one I got to, and that was more than worth the price.

Elsa, if you choose to go in that direction, I’ll still be here.

I agree with most everyone here who said I would be very sad to see the blog/boards close down, but what is best for yourself is what you need to do.

I have “met” some wonderful people here - I am still so upset about Kashmiri………Life is too short to not have your heart in whatever you do.

But thank you so much for the experience of this wonderful place! We we all support whatever decision you make.

“To get along right now you have to pretend that you also think that 6+4 might equal 13 and I just don’t want to play this game.”

Sorry Elsa.

I see how this has been going across on the blog. I will support you as a client if you decide to stop writing. That’s all I can say.

It seems to me that if you haven’t been around this blog for a relatively long time, this post is exceptionally educational if you want to understand Elsa, and comments won’t get you very far on this one. Just pay attention, and wait for it to “click”. It’s not likely to happen quickly.

I hope that makes sense.

Look at that person

http://www.elsaelsa.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/elsa-in-the-desert.jpg

That is who writes this blog. That person right there, that is who writes this blog.

Interesting. I feel like the goose that lays the golden eggs. I just can’t do enough, fast enough so they kill me.

Elsa, in my language we say ‘way-ti-go-staad,’ it means ‘a great thanksgiving,’ and that’s how we say thank you. And that’s what I want to say to you today.

I’ve always appreciated you, your work and what being here has meant to me, which is a great deal.

It’s getting to be too much, and that’s understandable. Whatever you need to do, I truly wish you well.

Lupa and Moonpluto, on the boards, under “What’s on your Mind” - Kashmiri let us know about a very scary health issue……..

Thank you Dorothy. I’ll be adding my hopes and prayers for a positive outcome for her.

Elsa, I hope that the scales tip and you get more of the good things that keep you going and less of the stuff that bums you out.

Elsa, this comes from a completely different time zone and from a person who feels completely inadequate when it comes to being supportive (Cappy Moon, 12th house Saturn and all…).

But I just wanted to tell I’ve been here for the past year or so - even if I must say you attract amazing regular contributors - precisely because of your unique insight. Not just the astrological insight, which takes me to places I’ve never even thought of going. But also the storytelling. Your stories are just so much more interesting than most of the ones that get published (and yes, I read a lot) nowadays.

That said, having moderated boards which gathered people with very diverse ideological view, and mostly quite remote from mine, I think I can relate to what you’re going through right now. Personally, I had to take a “leave of absence” after a particularly nasty board war I was left to deal with alone. Turned out that when I was ready to come back, the board had disintegrated. But really, as Mokihana above said, whatever you need to do in order take care of yourself, your family and yes, paying customers (I’m not certain if I’ll have the courage to become one yet… Maybe when the Saturn hits my Libra Sun in a couple of months).

Elsa,

You single-handedly have done more to advance my understanding of astrology than any of the books or other research I’ve done. You bone-deep perception, a true gift, cuts deep. If it draws blood, so be it. You fearlessly plumb the dark recesses of the heart.

Your observation about me in the Colisseum was an epiphany. For a river without banks to realize it is a river without banks is an awesome revelation. For that I thank you.

Do what you must, but know you are invaluable. Namaste.

It does sound as if it might be timef ro you to claim some space and time and a life of your own, un examined by the rest of us!!

Everyone needs a break now and agana d this is probably part of yoru SATURN RETURN energy–redefining the “others” in your life, their role, and just how ou choose to interact with the world at large.

A re- invention of what you do in the astrology world would be apropo just about now now.. OF COURSE I WOULD MISS YOU- in the general up for grabs free for all that the BLOGSPHERE has become– -but those of us who respect you and need your assistance can send MONEY and ask for your services!!!!

Elsa, whatever you choose, Blessing and HUGS to you and family!!!!!!

elsa, life takes us down paths to learn, usually painfully. sometimes when it becomes intolerable, it’s a signal or sign that a gear shift is called for. Listen to your intuition. there is not a single person out there that knows what you should do. only u.

I am glad to see all this support here. Or, at least, I read only the supporting comments and they seem to be in the lead. Elsa, I may not always agree with you but I am also not always right. I am learning. You are a catalyst for learning. Whether everyone here realizes it or not. And I can only imagine how exhausting that can be. We may not be the most appreciative student/audience. But someday, we are all going to get it. And you are the ONE who planted those seeds. Love you. Cassi

Thanks, kristine and welcome.

wait, what happened to kashmiri?

I don’t know, i think it would be boring without controversy. Libras all about the give and take, the exchange of ideas… though perhaps its less overt in manifestation. Maybe its the Mars-Mercury thing… It is kind of an anomaly since the conjunction is in Libra… its like, you’re driven to speak whats on your mind (Mars-Mercury) but also driven to keep the peace ( Libra ) and it’s hard to have both when- inherent in speaking your mind you’re bound to ruffle a few feathers.

I understand how it can overwhelm you though… the disagreements. And I’m sure while the occasional disagreement might be alright, you have a lot of readers and I think it can get a bit hard after a while. I think this place is a true gem because there are not many places where you can exchange ideas about astrology and life so freely.. so while I’ve no idea what you plan to do, i do appreciate what you’ve done so far. It takes guts to put yourself out there like you do, and you’ve done it quite well, in my opinion.

“And Tam, yes. I do like to spend time with people who agree with me and are not on crack, I mean Jupiter Neptune.”

*grin* Then you won’t be hanging at my table. I’m currently in detox from the past 15 years.

Somewhere I got lost here.. and didn’t realize you disagreed with 90% of the people. I have been finding a lot of the posts heavy at times. But it might be because I’ve already made some of the changes and now find myself in a paradox of my own that I’m attempting to work through. So I don’t comment. But then until a month or so ago I pretty much kept in the shadows.

I do think that the community is a reflection of the internet exploding and it’s scary. Welcome to what’s coming during pluto in aquarius if we keep thinking the web is the answer to our ills.

Wow. A lot of vicarious statements here. I know my sister and she is pretty self evolved. She can hang with whatever she choses for however long she choses to do so and no one in ethers of the internet is going to drive her truck!

Take care people, take care, Elsa and I’m glad you’re living your life. It’s nice of you to do it on a blog.

Annalisa

Hi Elsa,

The limit of my love, affection, respect has already been achieved by so many comments on this one, ill say there are a lot of silent one’s who will always need you, miss you and fall short of words to express gratitude for the support you, your blog, and the community here offers. {{{{{Elsa}}}}}

You are Elsa P and there is no comparison, no word in the known dictionary to exemplify what you mean to so many.

Wished had one wish this thanks giving and that wish will be all you wished for yourself to come true.