Oct
11

Mercury Is Squaring Pluto And P Goes Diggin’ Around

Astrology in real life

“Do you still think people choose their families?” I asked my sister, we have studied astrology since we were 8 and 10. “You used to think we came in where we came in by choice.”

“It’s a theory,” she said.

“A theory? You don’t believe this?”  She has a Sadge Moon conjunct Jupiter so “belief” is the litmus test.

“It’s a theory. There are a lot of people who believe in that theory but I can’t say I have that experience.”

“Interesting.  I definitely think I picked our parents.”

“You think I picked?”

“No, I think I picked. I don’t know what you did. Just because I picked doesn’t mean you picked. I can’t imagine your experience. I’d have no way of knowing but they sure seemed to have suited me for my purpose.”

“Well, I wouldn’t trade.”

“Well that’s pretty universal. People when pushed… as much as they complain if you ask them directly they are not interested in trading their problems for another persons but that does not mean you picked. I have no idea. I do think I picked though. My life has been ideal for who I am and what I want to do. I realized awhile back it really doesn’t matter if what happens is good or bad, it’s the experience I want.”

“I’ve seen you care very much about how things go. Like your wedding. You care about that.”

I was profoundly flustered for 45 seconds which for me is 7 lifetimes.

“Well yeah, I can want things to go a certain way but if they don’t, so what? It is very important to me that something happens, it does not have to be good. If the car breaks down on the way, the drama is fine.”

“Oh, drama, yes. We do like drama, that’s why I work in the emergency room. I need some kind of edge.”

“Yep.”

Later I talked to the soldier…

“I think people have free will, P.”

“I know you do, it goes without saying. I have a lot of energy, I can use it as I please. I have a criminal mind but choose not to be a criminal. And I know you like rules to fit and be static. I know you don’t think rules should move around however there is some variance. You allow for differences so maybe your experience is not mine. For example you think you come into this life with some history and I come into this life with less history… maybe very little history.”

“Yeah?”

“So I am telling you that I am very comfortable with the idea that I chose my life. It’s a chicken or the egg thing. I am an astrologer and I have my chart and it is a map of me right there. People think things like, oh Elsa wouldn’t be like this or she would be like that or could have done that if not for this life of hers and I don’t see it that way at all. I think my life has been ideal for my purposes.”

“Well… that’s gracious, I guess.”

“What?”

“It’s gracious. I think it’s something if you can get to the end of your life and accept what your purpose is.”

“Oh, I agree! And I do accept my purpose and I like it quite a bit, this is what I am saying. How am I going to be me without all this crap? Do you think it is a psychological mechanism? I tell myself this so I don’t feel bad? People might say that but I don’t think they are right. I am telling you that I am interested in uncommon knowledge. I am really not interested in anything else and I was born this way.  My parents did not make me this way. I am this way.”

“Yeah.”

“Well I’m not kidding.  I want to know everything you can’t know or are not supposed to know and my parents were perfect in this vein. Between the two of them, they gave me a slant that would be very hard to replicate.  Consequently I know things that are very unusual.”

“I suppose. That’s true.”

“Actually, I am no different than you. You wanted to be in Special Forces.  You went through all kinds of shit to do that.  You signed up for torture. You asked to be tortured,” I said.

“Well I didn’t exactly ask,” he said with a chuckle.

“Yes you did. You wanted to advance. You wanted to be in SF and you wanted to advance that that was part of it. Come on!  You went through all kinds of crap, you starved… all kinds of crap, and you did it because you wanted the result. You this precise and very acute life to which you are suited.”

“I am suited”

“Well I am no different. I don’t see one bit of difference between what you did and what I did except I was in this at a younger age. I was born to it. You like knowing things.. uncommon knowledge, things you can only find out if you go way, way out there. So do I and we both did this. We’ve have been places people won’t even think about going and in the process we fulfilled our desire to know some strange stuff.”

‘Well, yeah.”

“OKay then. So you got your uncommon knowledge and I got mine and I’m telling you that I am as precisely matched to my parents… and to Henry for that matter. I am as matched to them as I am to you and I am precisely matched to you. Down to the fine hairs.”

“I am precisely matched to you. I know that” he said.

“I agree. Okay then. I am keeping my life, my parents, everything. I don’t want to be without even one thing I have. I could not do what I do if even one piece was missing which means my life has been ideal which leads me to accept the concept that I chose a horrible life. Or if God did it, that’s fine too. I’m just saying if I could pick a life I would pick the one I have had because it has given me a mother lode of what I wanted - knowledge that is rare. I just don’t see how it could be improved because I have no interest in anything regular that you could know.”

‘Well if I were picking, I’d have been a Hearst,” he said. “Yeah, I wanted to be born into the Hearst family, not my family.”

I laughed heartily and on that we said good night.

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22 Responses to “Mercury Is Squaring Pluto And P Goes Diggin’ Around”

1.
maureen
maureen

It feels good to read this :)

 
2.
maureen
maureen

P.S. That Mr. Hearst is one tired looking dude!

 
3.
rand
rand

I beleive that there is a fair amount of predetermination or destiny. On the other hand, I am not sure if it’s my planets in Libra or a Jupiter thing but I am still attracted to the idea that we create a lot of our own reality. You know, playing the best hand with the cards we are dealt.

 
4.
Conny
Conny

I agree with your sister, Elsa, it’s a theory, but if it’s true I must have been drunk.

 
5.
Elsa
Elsa

well I wound up in the right place, that’s all I can say. I’ve got no complaints about my life and never have although I am annoyed with others sometimes. Mars in Libra, I’d say that’s a given.

 
6.
Dorothy
Dorothy

I go around in circles regarding life theories, and I still have not picked one I most definitely believe in. This is where I see how my parents religious devotion helped them to not have to worry about all this. They just believed what their faith taught, and it worked for them, and part of my growing up was when I realized that was how they dealt with life, it was what they needed. I would be happy to wake up one day and really be sure about something - that would be great. I just don’t know if I can ever get past my constant questioning, and wondering. I sort of believe in a little bit of this, with a touch of that……..sigh.

 
7.
Conny
Conny

Just joking… in the end it doesn’t matter if we chose it or if we were thrown into it, because we are in it, and any place can be the best place to learn. That’s something we can choose in this life.

 
8.
falconbridge
falconbridge

Interesting. I don’t think I’ve ever thought of it that way, choosing your parents. My parents were different though when I was born than what they become. Life happens to everyone and changes constantly occur.

If I did have a choice and was given the same opportunity again would I choose the same… I have no idea. It’s very new to think this way. When I was younger I always wanted my “aunt” to be my mom and my dad to still be my dad. (aunt isn’t actually related) But I see weaknesses now that I didn’t see then. Same with my own mom though.

Maybe I’d trade my life. I think it would depend on the other options. Hmmm, very interesting idea.

 
9.
Elsa
Elsa

Well I wonder if there is a universal truth, if what is true for one is true for another.

The soldier claims many past lives and is credible. Matter of fact, it’s almost impossible to imagine any other explanation. Based on what he knows of his past lives (which is extensive) he’s got no choice.

Because he’s got no choice, does this mean I have no choice? What if this is my first time here? What if I want to be an astrologer and God says, okay then. You’re going to be this kind of astrologer and you are going *here* for your training? And then off I go and I feel okay about it because hey! It was my desire.

See, I hear people say all the time that they were born to the wrong family and what do I know? Maybe they were. What seems to be my situation does not necessarily mean it is the other person’s situation, Like my sister…

She’s not so sure she picked our parents and when I look at them and her life, I am not so sure either but me? Yes.

The soldier is a soldier, see. So if he were born in the middle of a war, well just as well! I am what I am and I WAS born to it. It very hard to complain in this circumstance… same as the soldier going into SF. If you don’t want to eat bugs and sleep on rocks and risk your life, maybe you better not join SF?

He joined voluntarily. I think I was in my family voluntarily. This does not mean my sister was. She might have just got stuck.

We had a sister who died. She simply didn’t make it or perhaps took one look at where she was and said, “fuck this!” I don’t know anything of anyone else’s experience unless they tell me but I do have a pretty good grip on mine and I am telling you I don’t mind my horrible life. I am telling but it is also obvious. I like a challenge? Whatever. I wouldn’t change a thing, not one thing.

 
10.
cherie
cherie

I said “fuck this!” a lot. I still say it. Gratitude is one of the things I came here to learn.

 
11.
omie
omie

Elsa, thank you for writing.

 
12.
wyrdling
wyrdling

story is i took a short break after decades of hard work and then came back to my family in a new body. can’t say it doesn’t make sense. but it’s a weird idea to live up to. and i can’t see why i would have wanted anything different.

 
13.
aml
aml

yes, could be both. sometimes you pick, sometimes it is random. sometimes you calculate something for a reason, and sometimes you just run for the train and squeeze in through the doors at the last minute and think where the hell am i and who with.
sort of like, hey that baby is going to be born, where is elsa? ok are you ready to go in? nod. armed and prepared and in you go. OR hey that baby is going to be born, where the hell is george? he said he was going to be here…shit! Who’s goin in?? ‘i’ll go’in jumps manford… and maybe he sticks it out, or maybe he checks out early. yes, i think both are possibilites

 
14.
kachina
kachina

Great post Elsa.

I definitely believe I chose my circumstances, even though alot of them did suck.
Also have ton’s of personal experiences that brought me to embrace that. I do waffle some times on the fine details of ‘choosing your experience’ to acquire/learn/experience whatever you need.

Like how Soldier mentioned free-will..I feel we make an agreement with others, but once we are all on this side of the veil, some will maybe be so deeply unconscious of that agreement, that the original ‘plan’ might get a little bent out of shape. That, is where I feel divine intervention maybe sometimes appears. I do not feel that intervention is widely practiced by disembodied beings, one must call for it or be in a really serious jam that would rock the whole boat(the collective matrix), to the an extreme.

Fate vs. Destiny…Fate is in play I think, until we stand up at some point and OWN it all, then we can truly start steering our on ship. Not necessarily that simple or easy to accomplish, at least I don’t think it has been for me, and I believe I have been working towards this for an innumerable amount of lifetimes..yet still a path we all follow, at the time that is just right for us.

Oh..a thought on Soldiers feeling that you haven’t been here much. I think that is quite possible, I believe in the infinite, multi-verse, and that this plane, as we know it, is only one possible place we can choose to have experiences. I’m big on quantum physics these past years, and to me it is proof in the pudding that goes hand in hand with mystic experiences I have always had.

If I’m wrong, it’s not going to devastate me, keeps me going and growing, and I thrive in the ‘path less taken’ too. :)

 
15.
mmarianna
mmarianna

I definitely believe that I am in the right place , circumanstanses and with the right people! I am where I was suppose to be

Maybe its not me that have chosen it! Maybe there were my parents that did! Either way I am glad

 
16.
Peppermint
Peppermint

Another classic occurrence of the synchronicity I often experience with your blog, Elsa - a topic is on my mind and the next thing I know it’s addressed on your blog - amazing!

I definitely believe we choose the things/persons in our lives, esp. the ones that are prominent in our big events - I call it ‘having a blueprint’ and that we line up all the big events with others while we’re all in the spirit world - loves, hates, work, children, parents, losses, gains - based on what we need to learn. “Okay, so we’re agreed that we’ll meet when our roads intersect here (points to blueprint) and I’ll teach you about A, and you’ll teach me about B, and no hard feelings about how things turn out, agreed!” Sort of like that - which means I can eventually be thankful (after I pout and stew about it - and plot many un-acted-out revenge schemes) for the petty tyrants in my life who are mean or hurtful to me, because they’re doing a difficult task no one else wanted to do, which was to teach me the lesson the painful event presented to me, one I could not have learned any other way.

“Wouldn’t trade nothing for my journey now.” Maya Angelou. That’s exactly how I feel - in some ways it’s been a hard life, but I think everything I’ve learned so far has made every step worth taking.

My 2 pennies, anyway.

 
17.
alicia
alicia

I’m reading that James Hillman book, which kind of explores this idea of fate vs free will

http://www.amazon.com/Souls-Code-Search-Character-Calling/dp/0446673714/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1255359218&sr=8-3

I am open-minded about it all…

 
18.
Jennifer
Jennifer

I think “born into the wrong family” means that you don’t fit in with them. I can certainly understand that, being a hippie born into a family where both sides are 1950’s stereotypical. I certainly feel “wrong” there.

As for answering that question…I find it extremely hard to believe that I, even in a past life, would have picked the situation I am in. I have been told that this stuff is no accident, though…I suspect the Sky Bully and co. did the picking rather than me.

 
19.
rand
rand

Elsa- I believe you have lived before, unless you have brought in wisdom from a different galaxy.

aml- ‘I’ll go in jumps manford’ hahahaha

 
20.
rand
rand

and what if you only have 47 cards in your deck? hahaha

 
21.
Elsa
Elsa

“Elsa- I believe you have lived before, unless you have brought in wisdom from a different galaxy.”

rand I have no memory of that and in fact think everything I know was learned (the hard way) this life.

You must see how hard I work and I have been doing this, to this degree my whole life so I am inevitably going to get somewhere.

That said, sometimes I feel I channel God when I am writing but this is not unique. All artists has this experience, I think. There is such a thing, some sort of state of grace where I feel like an instrument. I mean sometimes the divine (Neptune) is grounded (Saturn)

 
22.
rand
rand

Well however you have accessed your wisdom, I greatly appreciate that you share it here on your blog!

 


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