His Scorpio Moon and My 8th House: Suffering…

September 8th, 2009 @ 11:37 am by Elsa

Astrology in real life

This weekend the soldier made an unusual claim. He said he’s never suffered a day in his life. “I’ve been cold and hungry in the woods but I’ve never suffered,” he said. He had just finished telling me how selfish he is and I just looked at him, smiling and sitting in the bathtub like we do.

I could see his perspective completely. I told him that his idea was in stark contrast to the many who feel they have suffered their whole lives and I told him I thought I was somewhere in the middle.

‘I think I have suffered less than most people would with my experiences but I have definitely suffered. I have felt anguish, total anguish beyond words,” I said stopping in the middle of my sentence as I remembered he already knew this. “As you know,” I added. “You have felt my feelings, I’ve not forgotten that so you know what I mean. I have felt anguish that cannot be explained or quantified or spoken of, really.  There was nothing I could do to stop it. I had to feel it because it was there as you know since you’ve come up against it yourself, I am sorry.”

Probably few recall but a number of years ago the soldier was doing his psychic thing and wound up tapped into me @ 15 years old, this was before we met. He could feel what I felt at that time what I felt was staggering. On the other side of the experience he told me he hoped he never had to feel anything like it again and I said, “Me too.”

What is suffering? Have you suffered?

pictured: Van Gogh, Old Man in Sorrow (On the Threshold of Eternity)

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12 Responses to “His Scorpio Moon and My 8th House: Suffering…”

1.
kashmiri
kashmiri

I love that painting. To me suffering is to feel that I’m going to live with pain (psychic pain) forever. When I woke to the realization that I needn’t live in pain, my feeling of suffering eased.

 
2.
Doreen
Doreen

One way of looking at pain and suffering is the Buddhist perspective. Pain–of the physical sort–is a physiological response to stimuli. Emotional pain, fear, anxiety, grief are similarly responses to stimuli. Suffering is the mental and emotional response to pain. As biological beings, as well as emotional ones, we cannot avoid pain. But we can choose whether or not we suffer. Easier said than done perhaps, but suffering is a choice.

Have I suffered? Oh goodness yes, and astrologically a great deal of my suffering has been related to my Scorpio Moon square Pluto. But I have learned a great deal about suffering as a choice. To have never suffered in one’s life would be either to have been oblivious–clearly not the soldier’s case–or to have a rare combination of wisdom and courage, IMO.

I think most of us start out identifying pain with suffering without question.

 
3.
Elsa
Elsa

Well, Doreen, it is damned refreshing, I’ll tell you that. Because there are (many) who claim “suffering” when their toe is barely even stubbed. :-)

 
4.
SaDiablo
SaDiablo

I don’t know what it is, but I know I’ve done it. Yeah, I know, about as helpful as the definition of “art” or “porn.” *snert*

 
5.
grrr
grrr

oh yes, Doreen so true and wise! choice, how one responds to pain, loss, stress, “suffering as a choice” that’s one thing I would add to a school’s curriculum, in the choosing class. (I know that’s kind of a vague title, but if everyone learned about what choosing is early on… that its there even…)

 
6.
user
user

I feel like I’ve suffered much more than my real life would warrant. For a long time, I wondered what my problem was. Then, I realized that my feelings often bear no relation to my own life. Sometimes, it’s just in the air, in the collective or whatever, and I’m picking it up. That helped trememdously, to realize that sometimes, there is no ‘why,’ you know?

I attribute this to moon opposite pluto, both square mercury, and a Cancer sun.

I don’t really think I can choose not to suffer, in terms of the heaviness being there. But I can certainly choose how to respond to it, and how to structure my life.

 
7.
Toni
Toni

Suffering? I think everyone has at one point in their life, but to make it worse by choosing to wallow in your pain? No, not everyone has.

 
8.
AnaB
AnaB

Suffering is chronic pain that cannot be resolved, avoided, or ignored, only accepted. I would say in my lifetime I have suffered. It certainly never felt optional at the time, just something that had to be surrendered to and endured. The ‘choice’ to suffer or not was more about suffering I’d created for myself, and could choose not to create. But sometimes you are simply made to bear suffering, if only to know what it feels like. It has served me and been useful in that it connects me to people instantly, it prevents me from inflicting the same on others, and has made me more compassionate than I might have been otherwise. One thing about suffering, it is unique - people suffer in highly individual ways, no matter who they are, where they are, or how much they appear to have going for them. And they do it silently and alone.

 
9.
8thhouser
8thhouser

Hey there Miss Elsa P :)

It’s pretty neat how you blogged about your 8th house when I was just thinking about mine today, I’m going to blog later about it as well.

 
10.
goddess
goddess

i’ve suffered very little in my life; when losing my family and my stepkids, i suffered. overcoming that was part of my job, i guess. i’m not zen enough to avoid it completely, but it sure doesn’t stick to me. maybe in part because i am always in such a hurry to get it off.

 
11.
zillah
zillah

An interesting question and interesting posts! Yes, I feel suffering quite a lot - and I think sometimes it’s hard to know whether it’s mine or others’ and I have fought depression all my life. I just feel it. That said, I’m damned if I’m going let myself be the victim, and I have very little patience for those who paint themselves that way. In fact, while I suffer for myself and others, I also know I’m very lucky. Bad shit happens, but I’m grateful for what I have and for the support of friends and family. As a double Sag. with Jupiter in my 12th house (among other things) I live some odd paradoxes.

 
12.
wyrdling
wyrdling

a bit. but most of it was my own making.
what wasn’t, well. made me learn how to protect myself. i eventually managed to be stronger for it.

or so i think nowadays.

 


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