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Saturn Square Pluto: More On The Intense Crush Coming November 2009 And Then Some

Astrology in real life

Lunalie asked about positive manifestations of Saturn / Pluto transits on the boards. I wrote about these two planets squaring off in November, 2009 -  Intense Crush - Dirty Grave.

These planets will also square off, January- February 2010 and again, July - August 2011.  People with planets at the very early degrees of the cardinal signs will be most personally affected but entire collective is going to know all about this.

I started to respond to her on the boards but decided to make a post of this instead since it is so incredibly important.

I got caught in a Saturn Pluto crush 2 years ago. There is no doubt these planets in combination will take you to places there are no words to describe.  The loss in my case was devastating to a point there are things I cannot recover.  Things like innocence and naivete.

When horrible things happen to a person some of them go down and stay down. Others go down and come up stronger than ever and during this time people (the entire collective) is going to suffer along these lines.

If you want to fare well, you have got to condition yourself to be one of the people in the 2nd group there. I can’t make it any plainer.

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27 Responses to “Saturn Square Pluto: More On The Intense Crush Coming November 2009 And Then Some”

1.
Strawberry Fields
Strawberry Fields

My natal Saturn at 0.51 Cap is already under the effects of transiting Pluto.

My natal Sun-NorthNode-Mars-Merc stellium stretches from 3 to 13 Libra (8th house).

I’m ready for the combined (and bidirectional) onslaught of transiting Saturn and Pluto.

I have a pretty good idea what lies ahead (for me personally). Everything is already in motion. And I just got a phone call that adds to the heap… and the heat. The ~outcome~ however is anybody’s guess.

I’m gonna play each card that’s dealt me the best I can, in the moment. Que sera sera.

It’s not fun while it’s happening, but I have an eery confidence (a certainty almost) that no matter what, I’m gonna be in an exponentially better place once I get to the other side of all this.

(I forget now, I think I’m looking at 8 years? …before I’m in the clear.)

 
2.
Toni
Toni

Wow, Saturn AND Pluto at the same time, whoo!

Now that’s what I call intense!

 
3.
Dina
Dina

Does it help to not think about it? When I think about it I am sure to obsess.

 
4.
Elsa
Elsa

I don’t know if I should say things like this or not. I feel like I should but then I tell the soldier something dire and he says if he didn’t know me and if he were king, he would order the head of the astrologer, chopped off.

::smiles and sighs::

It’s so hard to say anything you think anymore but even harder to say things you don’t think. ;)

Easiest is to say nothing but not sure this is wise.

 
5.
satori
satori

some days it feels like I’m digging a hole in which to plant a beautiful flowering tree. other days it feels like my own grave. funny, cos it’s always the exact same hole.

 
6.
Neith
Neith

Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha . . . flowering tree or grave!

 
7.
Dina
Dina

What do you mean, Elsa? How come you shouldn’t?

 
8.
Elsa
Elsa

Dina, because people get scared, they feel bad and this gets attached to me. I become repulsive, a person and place to avoid and blah blah blah.

This is a true dilemma for me. I don’t mind dying but I’m not that keen on being burned at a stake.

I also feel wildly under appreciated and this weighs on me as well.

 
9.
mudlikesubstance
mudlikesubstance

Satori - maybe it’s both. Our cat is buried right next to one of our apple trees. Sometimes that is the best is to transform the old life into the new. Maybe it’s a dream of transformation??

 
10.
Dina
Dina

Ah I see.

 
11.
kachina
kachina

3 years ago I was wiped out. Am still at ground zero, but am a lot stronger today then I was then.
In a period of a year and a half, soon after I was divorced,I lost my home, met a ‘gaslighter’, was silly enough to not see him for what he was, yet not before he traumatized me to the point I flew the coop leaving him with the last of what I had left..home furnishings, etc. Then, out the door went the income. My ebay business went down the tubes, my alternative healing practices sank next, was unable to secure work in my previous field(bartending/fine dining manage), and then my health took a walk(1st house moon opp 6th mars). My eldest daughter moved out while all of this was happening right after she turned 18..she has done very well though and I am proud of her! :) My youngest daughter, 15 at the time, moved in with her daddy and his new wife/children because she wanted a family unit. New step mom was abusive to her, police involvement took place, and my daughter ended up residing with her grandparents in PA to stay in her school district and be around her family, while I needed to make a move to RI to get by with the assistance of a very good friend.

LOL..wow, what a book of ick, yet I am not done. Anyway..to try to clip it down, I came back to PA(my car died right after), since then have been living with a friend for 2 years trying to catch my breath yet continue to roll through these transits.

Natal grand cross-mutable/angular ASC/Moon/Sun/SN/Pluto/Mars/NN
4th house sun/SN/Pluto:Virgo
So these saturn/uranus/pluto transit have activated pretty much everything I am I think..LOL.

My old life is gone. The only things I brought forward is my daughters, my dog Molly, and one previous friend. Family..well, they left along time ago, and the rest when Saturn conj. my IC.

I suppose I am in the void..but I have learned so much I have volumes of material written that I hope when the next round hits my early Libra Ur/Jup/Merc ,and I guess from reading Elsa’s info above my 0-MC/IC, I may just make the breakthroughs I need to support myself externally again..now that the inner has been rebuilt.

Most important thing I learned through all of this is that I am “someone”, that I have a right to exist on this planet equally as much as any other..and I think I now know what it means to value/love yourself.

As the serenity prayer says: You learn to change what you can, and accept what you cannot.

I got busy on “Me’. Worked that inner, now am working the external..and am pleased with my results. It is wonderful to feel good again..even if the midst of all the chaos.

I used to have astrologers, psychics etc, some co-workers, some just in passing ask me if I knew how strong I was. One man used to to say to me all the time I was ’scary’ strong. Some would look at me and cry..and that used to scare the crap out of me, that they would grieve for me but not say why. Yet all of them said someday, I would be happy..really happy. LOL..they were right, in a way. I am at peace now, with myself. Don’t know if it is happiness exactly..but it is more than I had before all of this.

I think it is important to find the little gems while you travel through these tougher lessons..laughter, those ‘perfect’ weather days, sex. Sometimes it is effort..but you just keep trying even if you have to dig the crap off the top of the gem to get at it.

I think it’s equally important to FEEL it all..the pain, the sorrow, the anger. Just be cautious not to spew it at anyone that isn’t a part of it. I used to not feel..thought I did, but I didn’t. Was scared to I suppose..a tough upbringing with too much pain..I was a master at disassociating. Didn’t know it though. Now, I let myself feel..all of it. And it makes the sweetness bliss..and well..the ugly does hurt, but, I am now much more balanced, and I know I am not just my emotions and it is safe to have.

EEKK!! I wrote a book. Thanks for allowing me the space to do so! I’ll try in the future not to ramble on about myself, and listen more..lol…is hard right now due to Mercury..am a Vir/Gem/Gem.

 
12.
Elsa
Elsa

kachina - you go right ahead. Sounds like you’ve earned the right and then some. Welcome here! :-)

 
13.
moonpluto
moonpluto

I appreciate you Elsa! You helped me a lot today. Just sayin’….

 
14.
Elsa
Elsa

Thanks, moonpluto. The feelings come from inside of me. They may or may not be justified but they do factor.

It’s not really a complaint, it’s a statement although I think it’s a rich one.

 
15.
moonpluto
moonpluto

Just wanted to put it out there. The feeling came from inside of me too

(Oops didn’t mean to post twice, but the first post had a typo)

 
16.
omie
omie

I appreciate you Big Time!

Love

xo

 
17.
venusflytrap
venusflytrap

satori that is brilliant…and so true

 
18.
Strawberry Fields
Strawberry Fields

i hear ya, Satori……

and you know what? me, for myself… it truly doesn’t matter which it ends up being… either would (will) be a gift

 
19.
Lunalie
Lunalie

Oh boy… look what I started -_-

Pluto will be hitting me left, right and centre while it’s in capricorn. It’s squaring my sun right now, but it’s opposing my moon next and conjuncting midheaven. Oh boy -_-

Saturn is also kicking my ass big time… A lot of things have happened. Although what came out of all these is a change of career.

Although I mentioned in the boards that some of my experiences are “positive”, it doesn’t mean I am not going through hell -_- Quite the opposite, actually, but I just figured there must be a purpose to all this.

 
20.
SaDiablo
SaDiablo

Although I’d like to believe I’m in the second group, I think I’m actually in the first. I’ve never had much faith in humanity and that’s been ripped to shreds since my seperation and the subsequent mass exodus of everyone I knew; I don’t believe in a supreme being (at least one that cares about us) or a grand purpose. My life has been interminable years of meaninglessness interspersed with a few instances of happiness and the occasional moment of pure bliss. It’s not enough and I’m tired of it.

 
21.
AnaB
AnaB

Yay Kachina! Your comment moved me. I had a series of severe upsets like yours at roughly the same time. I’m glad you posted. Sometimes it takes situations like that to make you see how capable you are. “Most important thing I learned through all of this is that I am “someone”, that I have a right to exist on this planet equally as much as any other..and I think I now know what it means to value/love yourself.” YES, me too. :)

SaDiablo - I don’t have much faith in people either, but I have unlimited faith in life. I’ve learned that people may treat you badly, heap loads of pain your way, but life itself always protects and loves you unconditionally…if only you believe and give it the chance to show you how good it can be. Life will never fail you.

 
22.
El
El

What exactly is Saturn square Pluto supposed to bring?

 
23.
Audrey
Audrey

Ugh.
Pluto has been squaring my sun at 0 Aries since last year. Saturn has been squaring my Saturn and Uranus and Moon… And more, etc, etc.

Now I have all of my angles at early degree cardinal signs and Saturn will be going over my rising and opposing my Sun at the same time.

Can’t wait. After this past year those transits have geared me up for whatever hellish things are on their way.

 
24.
D.
D.

Hi Elsa;

I’m trying to remember what happened the last few times that Saturn aspected in some way my natal Pluto: interesting, I moved house. It felt bad at the time, but it was a good change. My Pluto rules the Rising sign, so I’m thinking:
- working out, going to the gym in a consistent way, would that be a good manifestation of the transit that Im about to have (transiting Saturn conjunct natal Pluto on the 11th)? Because I’m already doing that. Also transiting Pluto is opposing my natal Saturn, lol - it’s like being hit from every side, lol. This Pluto transit “took” a cousin (my natal Saturn is in house 8 - death -, ruling house 3 - cousins) and my mother (Saturn in cancer) has been having some troubles with her family. Other than that… there’s not much. Maybe the “kicker” will come when t. Saturn conjuncts my natal Pluto. I’ll just wait and see, I guess.

 
25.
user
user

“Thanks, moonpluto. The feelings come from inside of me. They may or may not be justified but they do factor.

It’s not really a complaint, it’s a statement although I think it’s a rich one.”

—-

I agree with that - it is rich.

 
26.
Dee
Dee

Hi Elsa,

Thanks for bringing to light the “icky”. Isn’t that the wisest course with Pluto :-) I think it doesn’t work so well with Pluto if you don’t.

I have Pluto conjuncting my 1′47″ Saturn, along with the upcoming Saturn square. My natal Saturn is trine a Pluto/Mars conjunction at 2′51″ Virgo, is inconjunct to a 1′23″ Sun and square to a 2′53″ Moon in Aries. I’ve had astrologer blanch a bit when they talked about this year to me, and suggest I might want counselling :-) After much thought about my chart I feel I am primarily a Sun (Leo) - Saturn (Cap) balance of irritation. Never satisfied and constantly craving more ways to express, yet fearful of rocking the boat. My mother passed away this year and I realized that the ties of family were almost completely an illusion I had generated to make me feel secure. I feel alone and sad, but am starting to see how I can become more of myself without the fog of illusion. Kind of like - well, if I don’t have that, what am I going to make?

Any advice on how to spend the days during this process? I understand being stronger, but how do you do that beyond getting up every day and doing what has to be done?

 
27.
Elsa
Elsa

Dee, welcome. I am sorry but I am a visual person and can’t make heads or tails of a chart described in text. But I will say that this: “getting up every day and doing what has to be done?” seems joyless to me and is not at all in line with how I think.

 


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