Interesting bit. I can see what you’re saying. I spin on a wheel and the repetitive motion is calming and allows me to sort of turn inwards.

Pepper

Elsa-I would love to hear more about HOW to transcend using your 12th house.

you need to know when to stand up and fight lest you be perpetually transcending the same crap.

that’s the lesson, to me, of leaders like ghandi and martin luther king jr. stand up and fight for piscean reasons, in piscean ways. soldiering through transcendence…. but i have pisces and neptune all over my li’l aries mars, so of course that’s “obvious” to me….

hmm…

what about those with an empty 12th house?

Finally I get to watch a video! *lol*

I also have an empty 12th. No Pisces, either, so I guess I’m screwed. But this makes sense, because even though I do transcend, it’s more in a detached, Aquarian 8th-house sort of way than trusting in the universe to make things alright. I just decide to not care anymore, then often can’t reverse the process.
Hrmp. So is that really transcendence? Prolly not.

I completely agree with you because I’ve been thinking about it, thinking about it, thinking about it! LOL

I think for those with an empty 12 house it’s also the sign on the cusp of the house, so for an Aquarius rising it would be Capricorn/Saturn and the links of Saturn in the chart, the kind of acceptance required to access the 12 house. In the 12 house there is no duality and therefore no problems. It’s beyond thinking, planning and wishing. And I think “I” don’t transcend because the 12 house is transpersonal, but I can let the transcendence operate or act through me.

Hmm… I’m Cappy sun but also have 12th house/Capricorn… And I’m an Aquarius rising, so I look to Aquarius? Or, wait, …

Is there like a formula!

But really, this has been my experience too - in terms of the only thing that works. And it works!

The whole collective thingy of the 12 house really helps me get my mind around whatever I’m suffering. Reminds me of that one Buddha story:

“Kisagotami was a young woman whose first child died suddenly somewhere around his first birthday. Desperate in her love for the child, Kisagotami went from house to house in her village, clasping the dead child to her breast and asking for medicine to revive her son. Most of her neighbors shrank from the sight of her and called her mad, but one man, seeing her inability to accept the reality of her son’s death, directed her to the Buddha by promising her that only he had the medicine she sought. Kisagotami went to the Buddha and pleaded with him for medicine. “I know of some,” he promised. “But I will need a handful of mustard seed from a house where no child, husband, parent, or servant has died.”

Slowly, Kisagotami came to see that hers was not a unique predicament. She put the body of her child down in the forest and returned to the Buddha. “I have not brought the mustard seed,” she told him. “The people of the village told me, ‘The living are few, but the dead are many.”‘ The Buddha replied, “You thought that you alone had lost a son; the law of death is that among all living creatures there is no permanence.”

Kisagotami’s story resonates, not just because of our sympathy for the horror of losing a child or because of our fear of a world in which such tragedy is possible, but because we all, like her, feel that our situation is unique and that our emotional pain requires relief. In the privacy of our own minds, we are aggrieved and single-mindedly self-centered. We still seek absolute gratification that is intolerant of frustration.”

and more here.

I think this is true and great advice for control freaks everywhere. I’m virgo and I over analyse everything which never fails to just multiply the problem with every layer I create. Always best to give it up as bigger than me - maybe I’ll understand in the future when I look back, maybe not in this lifetime. Drop the load. Not saying I find it easy though.

Thanks for that Elsa, I’ve been struggling with the meaning of the 12th house for ages, and what you say suddenly makes it so much clearer. We always talk about the ascendant as the point of entry, but where do we enter from? - the 12th. It’s as if whatever is in the 12th are your marching orders, that were given to you before you jumped into this life, and whenever we hit a crisis or difficulty, going to the 12th reconnects us to that purpose, putting things in perspective according the life’s destined path, transcending the pettiness of the ego’s personal concerns. 12th house Pluto in Virgo.