Yes, I project. I don’t know exactly how I do that but with Venus, Pluto and Saturn there..I surely project.
Perhaps, I look for people who are attractive, intense and serious about love and life. That’s like trying to find a needle in a hay stack, when the needle is actually me. I’m the one with those attributes after all.

What if you don’t have any in the 7th, Elsa?

Aries is on my Desc. (I married an Aries Moon.)

Mercury and Venus. If I see a cute guy with glasses who looks smart, immediately he becomes The One and I must have him for my own! When he turns out to be just another dopey guy with glasses…that’s disappointing.

Pluto in the 7th. Explains a lot. Sheesh. Along with the North Node.

Neptune in the 7th house here. Had a string of drug-addicted artists and alcohol dependent musicians whom I worshhipped for their talents when I was in my 20’s. UGh…no more…no way.
So what..worship my own talents? good idea.

Moon, Mars, Jupiter & Chiron in 7th. Mars usually predominates - I like someone I can spar with, but I’m not sure if I want to win the fight or not.

All these Venuses in the 7th! So, anyone want to trade me their Venus for my Saturn? I’d even take a Mars, I think. I’ll throw in a moon opposition for free.

If what I’m meeting with is a projection, I’m projecting 1) lack of relationships, 2) lack of appreciation, and/or 3) lack of loyalty. I’ve definitely been in love and been loved in return, but most of my life I’ve felt starved for partnership. But I think things are getting better as I get older.

So, Avery, my MO isn’t working, either. But I guess I have come around to the idea that if I embody Saturn…the good parts of it…I won’t meet the negative side of it in others.

Glad to hear, Kashmiri, that you and the SO have
found each other and are happy. You give me hope!

Thank you, Valkyrie…it took me quite some time to realize that I was happiest with another Saturn type, and not some flaky nutbar (my MO before my current relationship).
There is an age gap between my SO and I (he’s the older one) and I know that he felt the same feelings you described in your post.
Saturn in the 7th seems to me like a dance between independant living and partnership every single day.

Thanks, Valkyrie, I’m just indulging in a moment of high bitter. We’ll make it through!

Valkyrie,

You’re not alone!

But how do you solve this? The project thing has never been clear to me.

If you’re projecting lack of relationships, then what does that mean and what can you do to change it?

Valkyrie,

Those words could have come from my mouth exactly; especially the part of meeting with dumb luck in other parts of my life . . . what’s this about? I’d love insight. I thought projecting could be anything (not just fear). Maybe someone here (Elsa? Someone?) can give a good example.

Great, Elsa. I will look forward to hearing more about how this works. Very confusing for me. My example (just one among many) is that I am verbal, communicative, capable of intimacy (good listener, affectionate, warm, etc…) but the last two men were not very good with intimacy AT ALL. So what is that? I am capable of intimacy and crave it but find partners who are not able to be? Hmm…

I get confused with the whole projection thing too. When i first read about it i thought what i give my moon away, but their my feelings, my emotions, i’m confused. But in an other i do look for someone who’s caring and homely (moon), able to teach me something (jup), different in some way (ura) and intense (plu). Most of the men i’ve dated have had at least one of these qualities. My current (and hopefully last but with uranus who can tell) man is a sag sun (jup) conj uranus (ura), moon in cancer (moon) and venus conj plu in scorp (plu). Fits pretty well i think. He has nothing in 7th but aries rules (he likes to spar too) and i have venus there trining his sun. The more planets in 7th the more need for or interest in relationship dyou think? Virgo is on my desc so i like to analyze relationships, like to see how they work or dont work. Synastry & composite i find fascinating.

yeah, actually having Venus in the 7th next to Saturn probably makes it even more difficult because it makes the other person (that for one reason or another we “can’t have”) so much more desirable…Bugger!

One thing I’ve come to realize with 7th House Saturn is that my relationships need to be dedicated and disciplined.
My SO’s Saturn is conjunct his Sun; mine is in a Grand Trine with Neptune/Venus Mars conjunction, also squared my Sun.

I won’t speak for what he needs to be disciplined/dedicated about (that’s his life) but I can say I need to be dedicated to
(a) not being delusional about what my partner is supposed to *be* (Neptunian)
(b) not imposing on my partner how he is supposed to love me (Venusian expectations) and last but not least
(c) not going ape-shit when things don’t go my way (Mars call to action).

Saturn in 7th has, above all, taught me to love myself. Not easy when it squares Sun (or conjunct Sun, like my SO’s).
Once I realized I had a right to be a part of the world and it was just as easy for to me to be gentle with myself and love myself.

And lest I sound like it’s easy and I have everything figured out, it is an uphill climb. Frequently. While love (Venus) comes easy, so does delusion (Neptune).

lot of 7th house saturns here. me too. hadn’t thought of it in terms of projection, but my husband is a very hard working, practical, earthy fellow. very smart! and i know these are qualities i also have, but i often don’t connect with them directly. (i.e. no matter how hard i work, i feel like i “should do more,” etc.)

hmmmm.

Go real slow would you? I have my free chart from astro.com. I see what I actually have IN my 7th house. It is retrograde which I am supposing means ?SOMETHING? …and now folks are talking about what is on the cusp of it, confusing me even more.

Gee, where does a girl look for her cusp???????

@joana - thanks Joana for your response. I am Scorpio Rising, meaning what rides the cusp of my Ascendant is Taurus, otherwise known as my Descendant, is that correct?

So - does this mean that I project earthy, solid, sensuality onto my partners? Meaning I see them that way, whether they are or not?????

Okay, folks, how do we clear the air then of our projections and get to see how people really are?

Does this mean that people are walking around looking at me as if I’m like something I’m not, which is why I get that ‘ho thing sometimes???

No planets in the 7th but, I do have pisces on the cusp, and neptune is conjunct uranus and saturn in the fifth, trining mercury and venus conjunction in the first and sextiling moon pluto conjunction in the 3rd. I’ve always seen my reationships with others as a sort of enrichment and learning experience. But, most of my relationships are very platonic, relating in a very connected emotionally and mentally way, but rarely ever physical. And they’re far and few between, I don’t date much. I’ve got a serious merging streak, being the hallmark of both my venus-neptune trine, neptune 5th house and neptune-ruled 7th house. not to mention all that scorpio-pluto. All in all, other people are just too damn colorful for me not to love. And least to say, since I’m without right now, it’s a big void, but as I’ve done for most of my life, I fill it with music and oil pastels. but who knows, I’m having jupiter over that uranus-neptune-saturn conjunction this year, so who knows!

between the 7th house mars and the aries venus i tend to look towards partners that challenge me. when i was younger any ol’ challenge would do and that got kind of unpleasant. i had a bad habit of picking people who fought and debated as a matter of course and ego and whatever rather than to get somewhere (non constructive conflict) and i played that game.

when challenge disappears, my interest evaporates. suddenly the person doesn’t look like a partner anymore. if there’s no interest in growing/evolving the relationship (which i may have imagined in the first place as an act of projection) then there’s no energy feeding into it and little point to my feeding my own energy in- stagnancy really disturbs me.

(and i can never tell whether i’m more interested in high intensity or extreme independence- the libra/aries pluto/venus opposition at work, i guess- i think i projected the pluto for a long time- looking for controlling people just to prove they couldn’t control me ;P)

but i do prefer positive growth/constructive criticism/inspiring challenge to conflict for conflict’s sake. it’s how you use the energy. and easier to focus when you observe it at work.

Wow Wyrdling. This is me exactly. Though I have cancer at the cusp of my 7th/moon . . . project dependency and neediness…

But I’d love to talk with you more and see how you reach a happy medium.

Alma, I’ve got Neptune on the 7th house cusp conjunct moon in capricorn. I usually project the neptune and play out the capricorn moon. I tend to see my partners as being dreamy, gentle, shy types at first. And after knowing them a while I ’see’ them as impractical, passive and evasive. Big time projection. When I get to be neptune, my partners see me as the above too…and then I am the evasive one. Of course, I’m attracted to pisces/neptune and they are attracted to me. It’s all roses as long as the projections are kept intact

I have Moon in my seventh. Two things:

a) Florence Nightingale syndrome out the wazoo. I’m attracted to deeply troubled people. A couple of hugely bad experiences have curbed this impulse to some extent.

b) If there’s a man in the room that no other women are paying attention to, you’ll find me in his lap within five minutes. (I know a couple other women who share this trait, but not too many of them.) This has actually worked out very well for me.

I also like the advice about loving things within yourself… good stuff, that.

What a great thread, Elsa and others are just cracking me up! I have nothing in the 7th house, so does that mean, as in the words of Jack Nicholson, “The good news is, I don’t Have a type”?

I think we have contracts in this life to meet specific people, or at least certain types, in order to show us what we still need to learn. (I mean do you ever get feelings when you meet someone, sometimes instantly, that you have a strong connection already?) How many times have I banged my head in different relationship areas of my life over the same old patterns?

Or at least that’s how it’s played out for me. And as much as I’d like to think that I have learned how to not totally fall for men who definitely have had common traits, feeling that if this person really loved me as much as I love them, that somehow, I would be complete, well the jury’s still out on that one. But at least now I am aware of what the main red flags are. (Flattering, Self assured, flattering, eloquent, vulnerable, alcoholic, worldly, sensitive, flattering…)Think I need to hook up with someone who lives in a storage bin ha ha!

I actually have the endorsement from a close friend, of this man who I’m going to meet up with in a group, and he called me today in anticipation. But I’m already turned off by the fact that I’m pretty sure he lives day to day, can’t afford health insurance, as my friend helped him out with a cast…Help me, I don’t want to be a snob, and I like to think that it’s not blue collar workers that turn me off, just blue-collar attitudes, (you know, defeatist, glass ceiling stuff).

But I do believe now, after much observation, that we really only attract people who are able to love us as much as we love ourselves. So that’s been my focus, infinite love and gratitude to me!

Hi, Mari. I was reading your post and saw that you had the same question as most of us do.

“What a great thread, Elsa and others are just cracking me up! I have nothing in the 7th house, so does that mean, as in the words of Jack Nicholson, “The good news is, I don’t Have a type”?”

What Sign is on the cusp of your 7th House? The Planet that rules this Sign is the energy that you will project onto others……for good or ill.

I have no Planets in the 7th but Aries is on the cusp so Elsa says this is like having Mars in this House. “Period!”

What is on your Descendant?

So you project the energy of Mars onto your partners. You have Jupiter in Pisces @ 8 degrees in the 6th? I also have Aries on the Descendant.

This could imply that you are impulsive in relationships (jumping in too soon) or that you marry someone younger than yourself.

If you are in the business of projecting you might
say that your partner is too impatient or too daring while you are totally unaware that you display the same qualities.

I like the story Elsa tells of “Shack Man”. It illustrates projection perfectly.

Yes, Mari. I can empathize. I was always “leaping before looking” but I think that I have that under control now. Where is your Mars?

I remember when I used to waitress at this nightclub and this young soldier would come every night that I worked just to talk to me. My co-workers called him my “puppy” because he followed me everywhere. That was my damned Mars in Leo allowing him to hold my “train” as I walked down the red carpet. I’ve got that under control as well.

If your story is anything like mine then I get the riot part…

Thanks, kingsley. I have thought about it, I am very interested in psychology but mostly I just want to tell my stories and entertain.

What about people with planets in their first house relating with people with planets in their 7th? Is this a good thing or not?

I have most of my planets in the 12th and 1st.. while my oldest friend has most of her planets in the 7th. I find that she gets frustrated when I communicate from a vantage point of self. And I’ve noticed that she rarely does this. When others do the same I think it’s normal so I never understood this dynamic with her until recently. And I’ve seen some of the projection recently as well since I’m in her wedding and she told me that the dress I was interested in (she’s giving us some choice in the matter) was too boring for me and she doesn’t see me as so boring. It then confused me.. if it’s my choice then that’s the one for me because it’s elegant and little fuss.. but if it’s her choice I’ll choose a more out-there dress.

In the last year or so I’ve become more aware of how my questioning of self - with planets hidden in the 12th and mercury in the 1st - has created a really draining and dysfunctional(?) dynamic with her and her planets in the 7th and 8th. I’ve started changing my language in how I phrase things in order to better relate to her and I’ve seen improvement.

My ex also had neptune in the 7th and when pluto opposed my moon 2 years ago it also conjuncted his neptune. And of course the truth of our dynamic was exposed. (my ex would literally try to get me to smoke weed and to drink beer when things were starting to sour - drug his partner). I also had a great date with someone who’s venus was in the 7th.. but it was a weekend thing and then he had to fly back home. I’m wary of relating to people with planets in the 7th because of the projection.. when I already question the who and what that I am. But maybe this is natural to attract these people? Any thoughts?

Yikes me!!! Gemini on the 7th…Mercury in Libra!! I’m dieing of thirst here….I need some “water”. Somebody give me some water!!!

Kashmiri, when you say Saturn type, can you explain that? Also, if I’m not being too nosy, I was just wondering how much of an age difference? (maybe you remember big age difference between me and my guy - I keep wondering if I should feel like a perv. and why is it acceptable for the man to be a lot older, but not the other way around?)

I am still struggling to understand all this stuff, but when certain things are said, I try to imprint them on my mind - so thanks Kingsley (post 58)

I have Mars and Uranus in the 7th, (Pisces Asc.) so now I guess I have to go do some research to try to figure out what that means.

Conny, I’d say you project your Jupiter but others can see it in you. For example in the video (I think I talked about Shack Man.) I think he’s eccentric, others think I am eccentric for marrying him but I don’t see that because I have my eccentricity projected!

Thank you Elsa, that makes it very clear to me!

Moon in Taurus in the 7th and my SO has moon in Taurus in the 7th. I’m no Florence Nightingale by any stretch. He says it best when he says he could fall over dead from hunger or sickness and I’d only notice if I actually fell over him. That’s me. Living in my head and not noticing anything around me. On the other hand, he definitely mothers and nurtures me. Absolutely. No doubt at all. That’s a projection because I’m the most unnuturing person we both know (unless you count intellectual nurturing).

My other big relationship had Pluto and Uranus in the 7th house in Virgo in the 7th house. I wasn’t projecting there because we had so much going on with our moon, Venus and Saturn that he absolutely wanted to take care of me (and did), but he definitely projected that Pluto and Uranus on me because I made him transform his whole belief system and career and I’m very independent, uncommital and eccentric. Basically I’m a Pluto/Uranian 7th house dream girl or as he says, his Lilith. LOL We still stay in contact.

But, me embrace my 7th house Moon? Not going to happen. I can take care of myself if I’m alone but barely. It’s nothing I enjoy and I certainly do not take care of anyone else unless I’m dragged into it kicking and screaming. Even then, that is not going to last with me at all. I’ll sever any relationship that starts getting into that. It seems to suck the life out of me in less than a day. (Not good. My Libra goes right out the window and my Scorpio comes out in full force!)

I love the Shack Man example!! That’s awesome.

I have Sun conj Saturn in Taurus in the 7th. (which aspects just about everything else in my chart) My SO is a financial manager in his company. He is very talented and creative (he doesn’t think so, though) - used to paint - but he stopped doing that and took a corporate job. Very very stable set-in-his-ways person. Hmmm… I wonder if this is how other people see me…

Charlotte - “Mercury and Venus. If I see a cute guy with glasses who looks smart, immediately he becomes The One and I must have him for my own!”

LOL!!!! I have Merc & Venus on the descendant. I have a thing for guys with glasses too

Kashmiri - “Saturn in the 7th seems to me like a dance between independant living and partnership every single day.” <– I really like this! I never thought of it this way before. (I have Sat in the 7th. & my SO is also much older than me)

Another Saturn in 7th - Pisces. It’s aspected all over the place, but I don’t know if those aspects impact projection or not.

I just ended a long marriage to a man 15 years my senior, and am now in an incredibly surprising and wonderful relationship with a man old enough to be my father.

He treats me better than anyone ever has, and in a lot of ways has brought me back to life. After years of doing all the giving, I am overwhelmed at times. He goes above and beyond any expectation I have ever had. He treats me - the way I have treated those I love in my life. Is that projection? Feels like it.

He reminds me - often - that I do not give myself enough credit for being what he calls “the whole package” as far as a partner goes. “You don’t have enough respect for yourself. See yourself the way the world sees you. The way I see you.” That’s Saturn in Pisces, I’m sure.

LC…well the joke’s on me…my SO has Saturn in his 7th and I actually have it in my 8th! Doh!

Venus in Gemini in the 7th. I love someone who’s got more than one side to them. They’re clever and quick and know a million different things with a wicked sense of humor and changing from subject to subject seems like second nature. They have other things going on in their life so and they’re always hard to pin down. And they always have a story to tell me. This use to frustrate me until I realized that I do the same freakin’ thing and I actually enjoy it to no end.

mars and pluto in 7th. I don’t even wanna think about it D:
I seem to have a flair for pissing of people and attracting the same. Not good for well being nu-uh.

Moon and Pluto in the Libra seventh. My Libra moon trine venus in gemini and my pluto conjunct descendant at 0′58″ and is squared by my Cancer Sun. I look for a refined, elegant and attractive surface coupled with inner depth and intensity. My current boyfriend is a handsome 4th house Scorpio Sun - 12th house Cancer Moon. However, that intensity got a price: sex addiction. It’s not funny as it sounds.

mars and saturn in 7 house means what exactly in psychological terms is still a mystery . Both are conflicting energies . True they are attracted to intensity, action and also maturity and responsibility but it has to be something more than that.