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About Those Know-It-Alls - This Is The Routine
Astrology in real life
Whenever I write about qualities I think are negative, people always think I am talking about them but I never am. This kind of thing is rare. It’s really not that common but it does happen and I’ll tell you exactly how it plays.
Invariably the person is a strong Jupitarian. They are a guru you could say. Sometimes they are a authentic guru / teacher / preacher or sometimes they just think they are or they should be but in whatever case they see themselves bathed in light and nothing else and they contact me for a consult.
Now I see a chart like this and I know what I am up against. There is usually a Saturn transit to the chart and I can see I am supposed to bring the nasty, nasty, Mars Pluto square in their chart to their attention. People like this usually present as very open. They tell me I am glorious and apparently I am supposed to tell them the same but having integrity, instead I do my job.
::send::
I get a mail back, this time all the glory that was bestowed upon me has been ripped away and the mail will be full of venom. Typically a lot of passive aggressive stuff but definitely that Mars Pluto comes out and cuts me to the quick or to the bone or whatever.
Having seen it coming, I am generally able to dodge most the attack and I just think this is sad.
It’s sad because I can’t tell them “that is the energy I was talking about.” I can’t help them identify their own pattern because now I am a worthless piece of shit but get this:
Had I left the part they didn’t want to hear out, I’d still be a piece of shit, know why?
“What’d I pay her for? I already knew all that stuff…”
::smiles::
So that right there is what I call a waste of time. It doesn’t happen often but it does happen and when it happens I just wish it never did.
It takes about a week for the memory to fade. I always thank God, I don’t live with the person. If I did, I’d move.
22 Responses to “About Those Know-It-Alls - This Is The Routine”
Working with the public most of my life I too have seen this. It is classic “Don’t you know who I am???!” lol. I am always amazed how people can go through life without any sort of self-examination. I am constantly checking in to see if my reality is correct,lol. For example if people are avoiding me I reflect on the past week and go,boy I was a little negative and in a funk maybe that is why my phone isn’t ringing. But then again that is just me.
Elsa, I am glad you have the tools and expertise to deal with inflated Jupiter types. 
You can lead a horse to water…
on second thought, I think I have the opposite thing: I am convinced of my own failings/failures. I wonder if there is a word that means “opposite of inflated.”
Thinking of Saturn types who live with fear/anxiety/self-defeatism.
What the person is doing in this circumstance is hiring me (paying me) to be a person they can feel superior to. In this way they get their monies worth. They get to run around and tell their friends how lowly I am.
It’s not really worth the 50 bucks, I’ll tell you that. The upside is they can only do it once.
Elsa- I certainly believe that the money I spent on a consulation with you was money well spent. Sometimes it is easier to focus on the trines in our charts rather than face up to the difficulties and challenges of squares. I am learning to look at the squares as opportunities for self examination. Perhaps it is good to know about our weaknesses as well as our strengths. Maybe when we can acknowledge where we are predisposed to challenges and obstacles we can find it easier to move forward.
uh.
how do you live with someone like that?
more particularly, how do you raise a jupiterian with a mars/pluto square to overcome the vicious streak? or to focus it productively? guess it might be effective for, say, a solider. or really ugly. *sigh
hiya guys.. Just felt like creeping in to confess that I have a mars pluto square plus I’m Pisces with an Aries moon plus it’s with jupiter. Please form an orderly queue to pay homage to my obnoxiousness .. if you can be bothered !! I can relate to the guru idea too, with discomfort at the accuracy, as I’ve had a certain following via work, so yes Elsa you’re right about Jupiter. Thing is I’ve done some amazing things thanks to this ratty chart (and I am ratty !) had some surprising success with high ratings pretty original radio shows as an astrologer and as a music presenter, but I always felt they got the wrong person, that any minute I’d be rumbled. Life’s given me some big stuff to handle re my family and their health, from very young so I’ve never taken anyone or anything for granted or felt that confident, like you said kashmiri. Nasty mars pluto ..oh yes I ‘m really aware of the mars pluto inner rage if I’m hurt, it’s potent stuff and needs wise channelling, you’re right and I admit to seeming more open than I am too, but I think that a consultation is an invitation to have a personal taste of that person’s skill and I can well relate to what Elsa is saying. Don’t ask for it if you can’t handle it. Personally I would love to be sorted out by the, yes you ARE glorious Elsa and I’ll take it on the chin, and be thankful for the courage of her honesty. I just wouldn’t eat her peach cobbler ; } xx
me too Lynne but I’ve been 100% wrong too many times to be a know it all LOL.
Lynne E - Betty actually made that cobbler for me… I decided on my own to kill my mother-in-law.
Awww I have a Pluto Square Mars. =(
But I’d never get pissy in that situation. I like all the truth, even the bad, BRING IT ON! I love hearing what I can work on to better myself. Sorry you had to go through those things Elsa, I’m saving up for a reading, and when you get to mine and see that pesky Pluto square Mars, don’t worry. =)
You guys, for the record I am talking about a hard core 9th house type / someone who thinks that have no shadow. Bretagne - you have a profile pic IN SHADOW.
I am not talking about mars pluto in general. I am talking about mars pluto UNCONSCIOUS.
gotcha. this post just reminded me, that in the past i have thought (of myself) that my way of being: “just tell me i’m as shitty as i think i am” is like reverse egotism. it kind of works in a similar way, but in reverese.
it’s interesting how many avenues of thinking get opened up by way of these posts!
Kashmiri - I totally get that reverse egotism stuff. I think I carry that most days. Work my ass off to exist. Stuff like that.
Elsa - sorry you have to go through ths shit, but, once again, THANK YOu for sharing. It helps me, I assume others too, to understand some dynamics that exist around us. You see it coming in a chart… I see it coming in how that person talks about the last person they dealt with in my position, or some other situation where you see it coming down the road but don’t know how to duck it. Unfortunately I hold steady too long instead of using that mutable stuff I’ve got.
Sadly, It also makes me think that my mars/pluto is repressed and turned (unhealthily) inwards.
Lessons lessons. A good one for me to mull. Thanks again for the englightenment (or atleast pointing to the potential…)
one time I had a client with exactly the attitude Elsa is describing. She had mars pluto in Cancer and was estranged from her family, seemed to hate em all but wondered why she was getting all the bad luck with such shitty relatives . We were sat in my office having tea, as I said hun you are a major pain in the ass, that’s why. Her reaction? She first looked shocked, furious, then she giggled and said maybe I am. She ended up connecting with her son. Sometimes us pain in the ass folk benefit from some in your face truth, given with a little warmth. And if there is over reaction maybe the message really did hit its mark and a while later that’ll be acknowledged.
ah, well, kiddo’s mars is 8th house… pretty unconscious there.
but. his father has that aspect too, and i know what that made him. i’m trying to raise the kiddo better than that, but it’s… well, it’s a good thing i know a thing or two about pluto myself.
i think somedays it’s a good day my ninth house jupiter is in gemini- keeps me from taking myself too seriously.
i wonder about truth distortion. on my part. do i do that?
it tends to come out that i have an inherent distrust for anything claiming to be ultimate truth… and i try to avoid it myself.
“a good thing”
argh.
wyrdling sounds like you’ve weathered some tough times. The very fact that you want to help to channel that energy with your child .. Well, lucky kiddo, he has a good mum. Elsa that must have been some ma in law! sorry to insult your cuisine.. That was me projecting my cordon noir traits..
Oh, Lynne E. I thought you read the story where I was trying to kill my mother in law with peach cobbler… yeah, I was going to feed her until she popped!
I apply all general criticism to myself. In the Bible, in the Bhagavad Gita, “People who are dear to me do this, people who are not dear to me do this.” In Franny and Zooey, I applied the whole thing to myself too, “People who are phonies do this, people who are not phonies do this.” My friend says “If a lamppost had an opinion on the human condition, you would be swayed.” I tend to believe other people’s opinions about me over my own. I don’t know how he concentrated on all the relationships in the Glass family in that book and missed all the obnoxious Eastern stuff.
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errrgh! I really enjoyed my consultations. I look forward to another in the future.
I have met people as described in this post…er, I was like this pre-Pluto in Sag!::cringes:: Exhausting.:(