Astrology, Caring And Projection: Chiron In Pisces Opposite Pluto In Virgo
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The soldier is always having to remind how little people care. These are people in ‘caring” professions primarily. The first time he explained this to me it was jarring but I have come to learn how right he is.
“They’re just doing their job, P. They don’t care one whit what happens…”
Initially he just sounded jaded but as I got deeper and deeper involved in things the truth of what he said was undeniable and comprehending this have been key to all kinds of things.
It is one thing so say you care, another to actually have the emotion and I am not judging this. There are people working in various fields who see so much crap, they’ve no choice but to shut down their feelings just in order to function.
In whatever I find myself having to strive to keep this mind when dealing with various systems because I actually do care and I always have.
I cared about my customers when I tended bar, so much so I became unable to do the job once I got old enough and sophisticated enough to see how destructive drinking was in their lives (I tended bar from 15 years old until I was 23). I cared about the people I sold Fritos to as well if you can believe that.
I care about my clients now and the people who read this blog and the other astrologers who contribute to the Dispatch. I just plain care as a way of life and this is something I project. I figure I care so the other person must care when fact is they don’t care at all.
I really have learned this over the last couple years. People care about things but they do not necessarily care about the things you care about or the things they say they care about so the next question is what do you do with the information?
I’ll come back with that but here’s the astrology on the projection:
I have Chiron in Pisces opposing Pluto . I think I own the Pluto and project my compassion on to humanity. I have survived via this mechanism, I have also been destroyed.
When you say you care about something, do you or is it just words or a function of being social?
pictured - Detail of Chiron from a painting on the ceiling in the castle at Versailles, France
33 Responses to “Astrology, Caring And Projection: Chiron In Pisces Opposite Pluto In Virgo”
I care, but probably not as much as I should. I’m not a bleeding heart type who prays for people. Also, I have been slowly drained of emotion over the last 12 years and there’s not a lot to give any more. I don’t know how nurses and the like do it.
Based on my personal experiences, I’d have to disagree with the soldier. I think there are many people in this world who put themselves out there every day, and who care deeply about people even when it’s not recognized or appreciated. I also think there’s a wide range of emotion between “don’t give a shit” and “100% empathetic” and people in “caring” professions are like anyone else — they’ll range widely in between those two poles.
It’s a huge brush to paint people with, and I think in some ways you find what you look for, so if you’re expecting to people to just not care what happens…well, it’s very likely that’s what you’ll see. And it won’t matter that for every example of “not caring,” you might overlook a half dozen examples of care and compassion…if you’re not looking for it, you won’t see it.
This post reminds me of something I wrote to someone the other day. I go through my life making attachments (cancer sun). It’s not the same for everyone or even for most. They go thru their life with other priorities–
And I have found in the social services or other helping professions that people are more interested in control– than much else. Of course this was just my own experience and observation.
I prob care about my clients too much. It’s helpful for them maybe only up to a point– there are those who appreciate true caring and those who don’t even notice. It’s a low-vibrational world out there. But there are lights that light the way– like you Elsa, like others who comment here, you can tell.
I am a saturn trine moon person and transiting saturn is conjuncting my moon….
Caring is good but it’s the doing that really counts.
Carielle - you make a good point but in his defense, this is a very, very, very SUPER condensed version of a very, very, very BIG thing.
In the specific scenario where this advice was offered, he was absolutely right. If the brush is broad, it is mine. He is quoted as saying:
““They’re just doing their job, P. They don’t care one whit what happens…”
He is talking about a certain group of people doing a certain thing at a certain time… people I would have assumed “caring”.
This is sort of like someone saying, “I care about you…” in the process of trying to sell you something.
If someone tells me they care, i take them at their word, seee?
Here’s an example:
Someone wants me to give them $6700 so I can have a radio show because they care about me and want me to do well.
The $6700 in their pocket is no motivation, LOL.
Omg a radio show, with a high salary- what a great idea! Is the world ready? We have enough of Doc Joy Brown 
well I would kick ass on the radio, there is no doubt about that. Someone ever gives me a legitimate job, I will make them rich.
You know you could make podcasts and charge for them. Podcast-astro-call in show.
Humm. Astrology has never translated on the radio because it’s too esoteric and when someone is rattling off horoscopes you only want to listen to yours anyway. It has a lot of potential though and def. a niche market. Maybe something on Hay House could be a good start. You would need a demographic like ours….beyond the newbie stage.
A call in show would be wicked but you would need a way of doing charts almost instantly.
I wouldn’t do an astrology show. I would just be myself. People have told me to get on the radio since I was 19 and if it is meant to be, I am sure it will happen without me giving a salesman $6,700 because I am vain when I am not even vain.
I feel really bad this topic got hijacked. I thought it was important but I guess it doesn’t translate?
Fuck me with that Saturn in Virgo. It’s so hard to communicate I can’t believe it.
I would also like to leave the house without triggering people, I wonder if that could be arranged?
::smiles::
It appears I am in a mood.
i try not to say anything i don’t mean. sometimes social niceties seem to demand it and i end up in something of a bind.
so chiron in pisces = compassion/caring? I think Uranus is right on my Chiron/Uranus opp right now haha.
compassion is my religion , if you look at it very basically. it’s easy for me but the hard part is the wisdom part - knowing the difference between compassion and what is called “idiot compassion.”
saturn in virgo is also kicking my communcation in the ass too elsa. I will be glad to see saturn move into a new sign!
I have jupiter conjunct chiron opp pluto in virgo. I think I really do care and also have the ability to help people however a lot of folks don’t listen to myh oh so wonderful advise. Like my brother who has a failing liver and I know I could get him better and have given him advise but he isn’t really hearing me. At that point as an example, I have to let it go. I can also seem aloof and uncaring but that isn’t the case. I tend to get mixed up with the wrong sorts of people too. Then I kick myself for being sympathetic to their cause. But the people who let me help them are well taken care of in the end and often appreciate it very much. The problem is that I have the ability to take care of things and multi task and make things happen with precise vision at times and its a little scary.
when my uncle was younger he dabbled in some drugs and unfortunately contracted hepatitis. fast forward about 40 years later he needed to have a liver transplant. when my mom met with his doctor his doctor said something like ‘well he brought this upon himself’…among about 7 other horrifying things that i don’t even remember now. my mother was appalled (my uncle had been clean for about 40 years). anyway, some doctors definitely have a god complex, which is even worse than ‘just doing your job’.
my ‘caring’ for people gets out of control. think its 6th house venus in leo, trine jupiter and in some ways like to think of myself as the very definition of generosity and want to be admired for how ‘caring’ or ‘giving’ i am. what happens in reality is that i’m taken advantage of (with my consent) time and time again, others feel like i’m overbearing and insisting that they accept my help or my offers fall flat because people don’t understand that i just like to be be caring.
Yeah, I do. I also found the work I used to do impacting my ability to be compassionate in general. I was becoming more jaded and cynical and disillioned and losing my faith in humanity. That’s why I don’t work in the social services anymore.
I have a feeling that a lot of people here may not have had negative experiences as a patient in the medical, psychiatric, or psychological professions. There are a lot of people who have very condescending and arrogant attitudes towards patients, and don’t know even how to listen and hear other people out properly.
Because I can’t edit: I blame much of this on training, and how passing a few tests are more important than the overall patterns of student behaviors.
I have Chiron in Aries opposite about half my stellium in Libra, so yes and no. I care about most of the people I try to help at the library, and if I fail to find what they need it can ruin my whole day. But I can be very unsympathetic towards people who seem to be trying to take advantage of my good nature, though they have to be really obvious about it before it occurs to me they’re taking advantage.
On a side note, my parents both had some rotten experiences with medical professionals. They hated it when a doctor or nurse would talk to me over their heads; Mom was in a wheelchair and Dad was kind of deaf, but there was nothing wrong with either of their minds.
Chiron in Pisces opposing Pluto here also. (w/ libra rising) it depends! It’s an integrity issue. Pisces Chiron really cares, might not say anything unless words are actually part of the caring. Just knows or intuits where the solution is, the pluto part can be super efficient and/or opinionated about it or controlling: it took me a while to learn to offer a choice, or wait till I am asked for advice or help or whatever. Compassion is also respecting people’s choice either way.
It’s tough one for a kid. can care too much or get sucked in. Idealistic. Be taken for a dark ride. Caring but being powerless about it. But figuring out beliefs are important & faith is powerful.
Chiron in Pisces opposing Pluto here too. Plus Neptune trining Chiron. I feel other peoples pain. Emotional, physical and psychological pain - the whole lot. Very difficult to deal with when I was younger. I care deeply for vulnerable people and animals. I am a psychic empath and have been a soft touch for others taking advantage. Yet have learnt to protect myself and gain stronger boundaries these days. I have never worked in the social services but have in the arts and education sectors.
Enabling people through teaching them their Human rights: respect, dignity, privacy, confidentiality and so on puts a positive, empowering angle on caring.
thanks guys .. Just checked in during a tea break while thinking about Chiron in Pisces opposite Venus Pluto and Uranus and there y’all are chatting about that very thing minus the Venus ..which is so insightful, all the while Elsa is asking if folk really do care in certain professions guess some do and they’re the ones who’ll have most struggles with the system and the higher stress levels.
Well, lots of people go IN to the helping professions with golden intentions and may be compassionate as all Hell. But after a few years working in the field, that can change. You take it home with you, you start to lose your mind after a while. You see people game the system and treat those trying to help with disdain and disgust. After a while, walls and detachment become a survival mechanism. Sompe do it for a really long time and manage to hold on to their compassion, but burnout and challenges abound when someone works in a daily onslaught of other people’s (serious) issues.
hey goddess, I have an old friend who is a nurse. she’s been a burn nurse in a busy crisis hospital. she has little real compassion but a very “nice” manner. as in, she seems compassionate, thinks she’s compassionate, but without having the bother of actually internalizing anyone else’s pain. she’s the PERFECT nurse. and thank maude for people like that.
You know, satori, that’s a great point. It really is an advanced skill to be able to do that without internalizing other people’s pain. I often felt like an emotional container, particularly with the intense encounters. I could do it better than a lot of people and remain intact, but it was draining as Hell.
Like Alison, I have Chiron in Pisces opposing Pluto in Virgo and trining Neptune in Scorpio. Not just that, Chiron is conjunct Saturn in Pisces in the tenth house; both are retrograde and oppose Pluto in the fourth. Saturn also opposes Uranus in Virgo in the fourth, which conjuncts Pluto (but is out of range for opposition to Chiron). I don’t know how to be anything but an empath. I take on people’s pain without even realizing it. I’ve got a lot of heavy energy in angular houses, and it’s always been overwhelming to handle. My Cancer sun adds to the sensitivity too.
You sound like a 65 kid raven. Is your cancer sun also trining your Saturn or Chiron to form a grand trine? And a kite by the Saturn Chiron opposition to Pluto and Uranus? This is my case scenario.
Regards
You got it exactly, The B. My Cancer sun trines both Saturn and Chiron. That’s a grand trine with Sun-Saturn-Chiron and Sun-Saturn-Neptune. The second one is very exact; all are at 17 degrees of the water signs. And yes, the grand trines make a kite to the Pluto-Uranus conjunction. Any tips on how to deal with all this heavy energy? It’s been a struggle my whole life.
Oops, mistake in last post. The grand trines are Sun-Chiron-Neptune and Sun-Saturn-Neptune.
I also have Chiron at 8 degrees Pisces opposite Pluto 8 degrees Virgo. However, my mars is also at 8 degrees Pisces and Mercury at 11 degrees pisces. Neptune is at 13 degrees Scorpio which trines the mars mercury conjunction, but i think Chiron need a tighter orb for this to count as a trine. Weird, i also have Libra rising.
Yes, I do care. I am a teacher. How can anyone not care? That’s what I don’t get.
I feel that the trick here is in harnessing the dual power of Uranus pluto conjunction in virgo in the 4th house. To contain is the key word. And to allow, knowingly… to wait, wait for the release upward, that I expect is taking place presently, than to move along towards the target in the tenth house which is becoming clear now. Be weary of grand delusion, however-to be a most effective medium for the healing energies seeking to anchor. And that is the issue: healing energy seeking to anchor if one could but hold still! Image an ancient warrior with the eyes gazing into the distant horizon,
As for taking on peoples pain, as you say, ask yourself, what does it serve me? Certainly it is no great service, rather a weakness of heart. It is much harder to endure in the face of pain than otherwise.
to anyone, least of all yourself. This is in the context of being useful, of course. Hope this helps:)
The B
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So that is why I get so involved with the people I work with as customers? I also have Chiron opposing Pluto, and it’s ridiculous. My boss gets pissed off at me about it, but it’s just the way it is.
You don’t talk much about Chiron, Elsa. I wonder sometimes if having Chiron conj Saturn (in Pisces 7th) has anything to do with some of the stuff I crash against in this life. God knows I’ve got the wounds, but I don’t know how the hell to heal them.