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Free Email Consultation: Desire For Stability, Reliability, Depth, Change And Excitement In Relationship, All At Once
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Hi XXXXXX! You’ve got a crazy problem here. It is a million times more of a challenge than I’d have imagined and I hope this is more validating then upsetting to hear. I want you to know, I am not losing sight of your original note and the word you used, “despair”. I have total compassion for you. I see that Saturn is transiting your Moon and squaring your planets in Sagittarius and I know you are bound to be depressed and in pain even when your voice is upbeat.
I also know you speak “candor” and so do I so I am just going to let it rip on this and if you can keep in mind, I am on your side and working for you (Sagittarius perspective), all should be fine. Because you’ve not made a mistake here!
It is the Saturn transit that prompted you to contact a Saturn figure. You want this stuff defined. You want to know what you can and can’t do… where these lines are so you can make your own decision how to proceed. I am just going to go through your post(s) and make comments…
“I have really strong contradictory impulses towards acting erratically and change vs. reliability and lack of change in my relationship life (& my chart). I’ve hurt a few important people in my life through this and am starting to despair that I can ever resolve it….without doing something radical like an open relationship, which I really couldn’t handle either.”
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“I guess what I wrote is it in a nutshell, but to elaborate: I have quite the history of getting into a relationship, things going well for a while, then I become somewhat bored and eventually become intrigued by someone new. I guess the boredom sort of builds up and then the new interest happens very quickly, catching my partner totally off guard.I used to have problems with cheating - now I just break up really quickly with the first person so I can be with the second w/o technically cheating.I know I have strong tendencies towards interest in the new and different romantically, but the problem is I also find great pleasure in the stability and comfort of having a steady partnership. The in between thing hasn’t worked either - greater distance, not seeing each other as much, just makes me dissatisfied at the lack of intense and regular interaction and wanting to find something more substantial. I seem to want intense depth and yet novelty as well, or something like that. I don’t know if it’s a matter of not meeting someone compatible enough, or if I’d do this no matter what, always wanting something more/different - likely the latter, I think. I have also wondered how much of this has to do with compensating for other areas of my life not going well - I simply have more ’success’ and get more enjoyment through relationships than other arenas - but even if so, not sure how to transform this so I can use this energy in other ways. I feel like I’m maybe channeling a lot of energy through personal relationship that possibly needs an outlet in a bigger arena, but don’t really know what.”
I want to take your word on the “no open relationships” but if there were ever a chart made for such a thing it’s yours. Now it’s common knowledge I am not keen on that sort of thing, it’s just not for me. I mention this to make sure you understand it is not something I would come up with as an idea for someone but here are some facts about you:
First, the level of freedom you want and need and require is off the charts just with the stellium in Sagittarius alone. The Saturn trine suggests you have the capacity to reign this in but I am not sure this (restriction) is what would make you happiest. Taking responsibility for your Wild Horse-ness is probably a better tack.
Now hopefully you won’t be too offended when I tell you that the Sun in Sagittarius inflates the ego. The exact aspect to your Sun from Jupiter exacerbates the situation so it’s worth knowing you are an inflated person.
Don’t worry, I am an inflated person too. This is how I know it’s good to know,
So to apply this knowledge you can look at the fact that you will cheat but you won’t tolerate an open relationship where the other person can “cheat” and that’s a vivid manifestation of the inflation right there.
Now I know about your efforts to curb your cheating and I respect them so just try to stay on the ground with me so I can get this info to you. I am not judging you, I am trying to lay this out so you can sort and stack it however you like,
“I have quite the history of getting into a relationship, things going well for a while, then I become somewhat bored and eventually become intrigued by someone new. I guess the boredom sort of builds up and then the new interest happens very quickly, catching my partner totally off guard.”
This is a function of Venus in Aquarius (sudden attraction) exacerbated by the square to Uranus. Like your Sadge Sun aspecting Jupiter, it’s another double whammy. While you may be able to train yourself not to act on these impulses, you are always going to have them.
One way to work with this aspect would be to see the partner as a friend and opt not to mess up your friend..
“the problem is I also find great pleasure in the stability and comfort of having a steady partnership.”
This is due the fact Taurus rules your 7th house. Taurus wants love built to last.
Mercury in Capricorn may also cause you some grief around your lifestyle. Part of you is actually conservative. Saturn in Leo also speaks of this. In short, QUEENS do not behave in this way… they do not have open relationships and stuff. You can see how this complicates things.
“I seem to want intense depth and yet novelty as well, or something like that.”
I think you can have both these things to an extent. The problem for you is the word, “extent”. With a chart like this you just don’t want to suffer any restriction or tie down of any kind. In short you want it all which is just not available to any of us for any length of time. This is REALITY (Saturn) which is what is bearing down on you right now.
The upside of this is once it’s told to you (by me, by the universe, by whoever) and once you accept this you can really start to live. Because the fact is no one is going to stay on top forever. People do age. Beauty queens fade and new beauty queens come up to take their place.
Your game then, is one for the youth and this is what the Saturn transit is trying to tell you. The carrot you are chasing cannot be gotten by the horse so once this is figured out you can turn your energy towards other projects… or not!
You can chase the carrot for the rest of your life and some do. I’m not judging it because I can’t grow up myself in many ways however I have awareness!
So you can continue to try to get this carrot that can’t be gotten just because you like the feeling it gives or you can decide the thing is played out and turn your (considerable) talents towards other pursuits.
I feel like I’m maybe channeling a lot of energy through personal relationship that possibly needs an outlet in a bigger arena, but don’t really know what.
You may be right and the way to find out is to stop doing what you’re doing, yes? Saturn = stop. Slow down. Make sure you want to chase another carrot before you chase another carrot.
If you do want to form a lasting relationship, I offer your Kris Kris Kristofferson’s words as a mantra:
“Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose…”
Come back with questions or further directions if you like…

22 Responses to “Free Email Consultation: Desire For Stability, Reliability, Depth, Change And Excitement In Relationship, All At Once”
I’m wondering how old the person is who’s chart was read? What decade of life - 30’s?
I remember Elsa saying in an earlier post that it was someone in their early 30’s…
Elsa - should we be able to click on her chart? i don’t seem to be able to get a close-up of it…
Applause, applause, Elsa!!!!!!
This person is a tad bit younger than I am… I have Pluto at 10 Libra so this person is probably 2 or 3 years younger, and I am 33.
I love everything about this chart and this analysis, and thank you, Elsa. I have just been thrilled since the preview, because not only am I a similar age with similar issues (Pluto in Libra, Neptune in Sag, Uranus aspects), but I am also in a relationship with someone with the same chart wheel and a LOT of Jupiter to boot. So this is custom-made and I just want to give a big :mwah: to the chartholder.
I can also relate to Saturn in Leo and wanting to be the Queen.
I’m sure with the Scorpio-Taurus angle the pressure to find and be in a relationship is intense, but I just want to tell you that Sadge people like you? You’re the spice of life. I love your adventuresomeness, and I’m sure with a Virgo moon you’re scrupulous and loyal and I wish you the best of luck. Because I know a lot of the conflicts you’re dealing with and I believe you can have everything you want and be happy. xoxo.
Right, I found it — thanks Elsa!
Maybe - rather than an open relationship, a steady polygamous relationship? You’d have the stability of lasting partnership(s), and you’d be able to . It’d probably be best if the others keep re-capturing your attention, though, so that you’d always be going back and forth between your partners.
I dunno. First instinct.
…Or you could find someone who’s flexible and steady enough to tolerate regular threesomes with whomever catches your interest.
Or someone who likes the “punishment” of a partner who constantly cheats. Someone somewhere must have a fetish for that…
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Point is, have you tried any unusual options? Saturn’s there, but we also have this stellium in Aquarius, too.
(Aquarius in the 4th… An unusual home life. Uranus in Libra… unusual partnerships. And the current stellium. As long as you’re defining your boundaries, why not take advantage of that?)
Well, it’s appropriate that partnerships are such a major lesson. Your north node’s in Libra! (north node = big life lesson; Libra = partnerships)
It’s appropriate that the lesson’s confused, too. It’s in the 12th. (12th = hidden, confused)
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Holy moly, this is a long one. I will approach digesting this one when it is a bit… uh… earlier in the morning of a day versus, uh, 2 am or whatever it is…or whatever day it is hah hah he he . ))))))))))))))
Yup, I tried again. Just the title of the e-mail ….back to tomorrow…see ya than.
Hang on, now, did I just get the planets/houses totally wrong?
Hah - yeah, I totally misread that chart. Oh, well; take what’s useful!
I think I was so overly excited about your chart, chartholder-person, because you are the kind of person I like to hang out with.
And I like furiana’s suggestions, because I am always wondering if I am one of those types of people.
Ack, that perfect Sun-Moon-Jupiter aspect is just killing me. What a chart!
Brilliant analysis Elsa. Reminds me why your consultations have helped me so much and will continue to be helpful!
I was involved with someone who had a chart very similar to this chart and I wrote about it yesterday on the boards under the topic break-ups.
The great lesson I learned from that relationship was about my own insecurities and how I compensated with possessiveness and how ultimately I was attracted to the freedom aspect. Here’s the thing, I have Uranus in the 7th, so being with a Sagittarian who has a Venus in Aquarius squared Uranus felt great, at first.
I was 16 years older than he and the oddness of that was a great turn on. We were both of completely different cultures in a third land of neither of our cultures. I taught him to make pancakes and he taught me to make kimchee and we went out at night and drank Hefeweizen and for us this was a kind of over-the-top, fascinating experience which contributed somehow to sex appeal.
I have to say too, before we went out he was not on my sex radar at all. He was incredibly persistent about spontaneously showing up on his skateboard and it was entertaining, endearing. I thought he wanted love advice, and a scintillating friendship and those were probably my last rational thoughts about him.
When I surrendered to falling in love with him it felt very one-sided and never really changed. He had a lot of sparkle and sex appeal but he wasnt gonna surrender, no way, no how, just no.
I see this the same as Elsa. I think an ideal situation for you could be to do something like get a job which requires you to travel and then you will have a lover in each of the spots where you go. Know that the people attracted to you are ultimately attracted to freedom, even if they hug you too tight and wont let you go, something is happening on another level, and it will always be about freedom.
I’d say marry someone who has that same vibe as you. When you are on a first date picture them in a club at the Copa Cabana — would they be texting you from their blackberry saying I miss you? or would they find the adventure in it for that moment? Pick the latter, by all means. You’d both understand what was going on and get to have a cozy fantastically designed home and establish some rituals which make it comfortable for you when you come home from traveling tired from having respective exotic experiences, and that would be a turn-on.
The first thing that caught my eye was her Jupiter right on her DSC, since I have it too. It’s much more amplified for her, because she’s a Sag, and an uber Sag to boot. (I have an uber Sag as well…she’s only 7, but she’s going to be something else as she gets older.)
I know I have strong tendencies towards interest in the new and different romantically, but the problem is I also find great pleasure in the stability and comfort of having a steady partnership.
That screams Jupiter in the 7th house!
I really think a long distance relationship would work for her. I had a couple of those, and they worked out well. I have one now, sort of–the hubby travels for business about once a month, and he’s working on his other business the rest of the time. He’s out of my hair (I loathe people hanging all over me), but we have the comfort, I guess you could call it, of a steady relationship.
This isn’t for everyone, but it’s great for the freedom-oriented types.
Reading the consultation and the comments I can’t help but be reminded of the book “The Zahir”.
It is inspiring to watch you help someone work out their problems.
I look forward to updates on this.
yes, i recently went through a period where i felt the need to switch my expectations from novelty and uniqueness to depth and connection. with saturn in leo (in aspect to venus) it has definitely been revelatory to find someone who does “treat me like a queen.” sadly, i guess, a new experience, but there’s certain benefits to “growing up” and looking for more mature sorts of relationships. it does involve certain restrictions and limitations, but you can choose those. we’ve built in a degree of openness to the relationship, and just knowing there’s a door is really helpful, even though neither of us has felt the need to test it…
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“Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose.”
Oh, isn’t that the truth. I have Venus in Aquarius/Uranus in the 7th so trying to restrict me in the slighest way only works to make me feel like asserting my “freedom”
I used to think that people should be free to do whatever it is they feel like doing. Everyone’s an individual, why should they let a relationship restrict what they want to do? “If you love me, why would you try to get me to do something I don’t want to do.”
Now, for the first time in my life I am alone, and I hate it! I have a preference for being in stable, long term relationships. I’ve come to realize that any fleeting feelings of boredom or restriction that come and go in relationships are worth the stability and security.
I think one of the hardest things has to be the whole not acting on an impulse. Especially if you’re like me and you feel that if you have an impulse, you should follow it.
Also, I’d never thought about this, but I also think that some of the boredoms/feelings of restriction that I’ve felt in relationships probably were also being channeled from other areas of my life, and if I just focused a little more on these other areas, maybe things would be a litte more balanced.
Lots of stuff to think about!