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Demystifying Astrology: Prejudice ‘Round The Zodiac
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You’ll never be able to really read a chart unless you overcome your prejudice. You have to be able to look at the whole which is akin to standing in front of a mirror, naked.
Now people have their bias but when reading a chart you must transcend this so the symbols can speak to you. To illustrate, it is very common people deny part of their chart and they have all kinds of hinky ways they do it.
They may simply refuse to pay mind their Moon in Aries, preferring to pay lots of mind to their stellium in Pisces. Other look at a planet in a late or an early degree of sign they don;t like and declare it to be in the next sign, or the sign prior. ::smiles:: Nice trick but you will never be an astrologer if you insist on doing this because think about it.
When you do this, you elevate yourself above the planets. You look DOWN on them as if you are the God and it just doesn’t work that way. The planets will just not cooperate with this. They will give you nothing but wrong information and it’s your fault.
I mean if your Moon is in Aries but you want to read it as if it is in Taurus, go right ahead but you’re on your own here and it’s not astrology in any way or shape or form.
You’re much better off to realize, “yep those are my thighs” and figure out how you’re going to work with them.
Is there part of your chart you like to deny?
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44 Responses to “Demystifying Astrology: Prejudice ‘Round The Zodiac”
Trying to ignore the t-square thing and ohyea, retrograde venus in scorpio. I shoulda paid attention to the venus thing but it has gone wild and taken me with it.
Hmmmmm, yes. Jupiter in Taurus, someone told me that means bad luck and as a double Sag, it makes me sad to see myself as bad luck or as having bad luck.
“Jupiter in Taurus, someone told me that means bad luck and as a double Sag”
Excuse me, but that is fuckin’ ridiculous. There is nothing wrong with Jupiter in Taurus, egads. You should get getting yourself rich with that, I’d day. Your taste must be very good.
My Jupiter in early virgo (0.32). I wish it was in Leo.
Yeah,
Chiron in 7th. I can’t find enough info on it, but the little I do know scares me, so I pretend it’s not there.
Everything else I embrace, even if I’m not too fond of it.
I don’t deny it, but the Sadge moon really really doesn’t fit with the rest of the chart (quincunx Sun). I think it is drowned out by everything else being dark and heavy. I have the intellectual curiosity bit big time, but not the demeanor.
I am also not terribly fond of Jupiter in Cancer (though the 8th house placement is fine), since family is my personal kryptonite/hell and I just do not feel gifted in that at all. Ironically, the Jupiter is the one non-afflicted, non-Saturn connected planet in the chart.
ok. my venus is 28.58 sag 12H. is it in the 12th or considered in the 1st/ on the ASC 5 CAP… i have always felt it to be the way i am seen (so ASC) and not 12H… but am i denial??
i like my chart. it is not easy- but i truly like it. i like all of my planets in their signs. its the aspects (their energy)that are hard for me to understand how they play out in a non-mental sense. learning to like venus on ASC opposition saturn on DSC- was not easy. but was and prob. will cont. to be a good lesson… now for jupiters game plan….ehummmm
I’m the beginners posts so helpful, thank you very much Elsa, your hard work is appreciated 
um .. “I’m FINDING the beginners posts so helpful..” *blames neptune*
i didn’t realize for several years that being loaded for bear with Virgo meant i had access to the Pisces opposing it as well until elsa spelled it out for me one day. i still have a tendency to project that fish stuff, but have gotten a little better at owning it now that i’m looking for it.
i’d love to disown my 7th house saturn (sq. 10 house moon), as it’s given me no end of trouble. but it would be a farce, as this has colored so many of my experiences in relationship. so i have learned to accept it and work with it to the best of my ability.
Hey Elsa,
Good post. I don’t deny anything in my chart. I see it all as energy. I consiously try and direct it in ways that empower me.
Gosh darnit, I’m always being misinformed and I am also very gullible.
I’ve always found money when I had none. I don’t know about good taste. I do get complimented on the way I dress.
Pretty sure all my Scorpio stuff makes me paranoid, and at times delusional as to where I think other people are coming at (Ascendant, Neptune conjunct, and Moon there too). And Mars in Taurus opposed my moon, well, also not too helpful.
hmmm…I rather like my chart (I blame my Aquarius ASC for that 
haha)…Though I will admit that when I mention my Libran Moon, I often bring up the fact that Pluto is conjunct. And while I know that it “flavours” my Moon with Scorpio-like tendencies (which I see every day, honestly), I never say I have a Scorpio Moon, as that would be silly. I think the only one I don’t pay much attention to is Chiron as I never know what to make of it. All I know is, it’s smack up against my Mercury and boy!! I sure can say some shit that comes back to haunt me! *sigh*
Dorothy,
I have Scorpio ASC, and my Geology professor told me yesterday “Don’t you go developing a persecution complex!”…
We have a funny relationship. I told him he reminds me so much of George Carlin (his humor and his appearance) which totally lighted up his life, because he said Carlin is his fave comedian.
Anyway, I sit in the front, so he picks on me a lot. He when he see’s me turn red he says “don’t get paranoid, I have to pick on somebody!”. He was dead on though, because I do have a slight persecution complex. I think people are out to get me!! Apparently I don’t hide it as well as I thought I did.
I bemoan my moon venus square like an old lady talks about her sciatica. leave no misery untapped, I say.
Satori! LMAO!! I had sciatica for the longest, after a cliff-dive gone wrong. I’m not an old lady, but I sure sounded like one for YEARS!!
….I used to have to roll off the bed or else the nerve would get pinched. I think that might have contributed to my declining self-esteem aroud that time. lol
I am often in denial about my Neptune conjunct ASC. I doesn’t fit my self-conception as a saturnine Aries type.
For me it would be sun square Sag moon/nep. I don’t project onto others so much as just try to ignore it.
Stephanie, nothing says denial like Neptune, huh?
Oh I can go on and on… starting with:
- Saturn (6th in Virgo) square Neptune (9th in Sagittarius)… I really have problems with reality and fantasy 
- 12th house Aries Sun: I have a love and hate relationship with this position
- 7th house Pluto in Libra squaring my 4th house Moon in cancer opp. my ascendant (in Aries) (GODDD I HATE THIS ONE! It makes me one obsessively jealous bastard and it’s my lifelong relationship struggle!
- Mercury in Pisces… Why do I have to be so spacey?
Hahah… Well, I’m working on accepting ALL these aspects of myself. Ugh… and look at Virgo (Saturn) critiquing myself again. Grrrr…
Yeah, I like to think of myself as a self-starter and super responsible, but periodically find myself in situations where I just drop the ball… My middle-age self is pretty tired of the paradox, and is looking for a way to integrate both sides of my personality.
Satori! You crack me up.
Wish I had more air. Sweet sweet air.
All this earth and water just creates mud.
I don’t like my Mars in Pisces/8th. I perceive it to hamper my drive to maximize what I believe are opportunities in my chart, such as Venus/Jupiter/MC conjunction in 10th/aries.
There’s nothing in my chart that I deny because I dislike it, but I do tend to ignore my 10th house Scorpio Neptune and 2nd house Aquarius Moon because I don’t understand them.
Would be nice to have even one planet in a fire sign, too.
I managed to get through about 15 years without realising I had a rebellious tendency until Elsa pointed it out. So I looked at my chart and found…4 planets in the eleventh house, mercury conjunct uranus and an aquarian IC! It was such a revelation because I realised that I have spent my life sticking two fingers up to everyone and everything that came my way! I love it now because I own it but I just never saw it, I swear. It’s bloody hilarious.
My MC is 29 degrees Cancer and I wish it were Leo. (Missed out by 1 degree!!!) Not that there’s anything wrong with Cancer but I lack Leo energy in my chart.
I ignore my Uranus in 1st and pretty much my whole 3rd and 9th houses.
The former, I just can’t get a grip on. I’m sure it affects things but…I just don’t know what to do with it. The latter, I’ve never felt connected to that axis and it really just doesn’t seem to have an effect on me.
Saturn in the 1st house. This gets the worst rap of all the 1st house placements. It’s like you might as well lie down in bed for the rest of your life, because your life will be so miserable, or so all the books said.
I haven’t found this to be the case. It’s made me more sturdy and stable, not boring, miserly, etc. at all.
Crackers… your comment didn’t mesh up with the reality of the placement (to my mind, anyway). Drives might be confused… but the upside is you have an inordinate amount of charisma.
I like my chart. But wow, I have sort of forgotten my Sun, Merc and Neptune in Scorp. I have Virgo Mars, PLuto, Uranus and ASC, so feel like that is the way I operate rather than Scorp. I am sure that the Scorp reputation is what kills it for me. I hate to see people recoil when I tell them, and I hem and haw and mention that I am 0 degrees and 26 min into it, like I am actually a Libra.
They expect such evil, and it hurts my feelings (Pisces moon).
Jupiter in Capricorn! And Venus in Virgo worries me.
I do not know if I am a lucky person but one thing is for sure with Saturn on my midheaven I have to work hard. Dunwanna!
Queue Here - thanks for the feedback. I guess I AM confused!
1st House Moon square Pluto. Sometimes I wish I didn’t feel so deeply. It would be nice to be some flake who doesn’t give a shit sometimes, lol (I guess that’s why I have 12th House Neptune?So I can have a drink and a dance sometimes?)
Shell, I like to do the same thing with my Taurus Sun! (opposing Uranus). Who me? Stubborn and random bouts of insanity? :::looks around blankly:::
basically i heart my chart, with all its warts and flaws — saturn sq sun — not easy, 11th house chiron, friends? *sheesh* but if somehow it separated from me, i’d be like peter pan and his shadow, stitching it back on.
eh, well, i didn’t see neptune square mars for years. think it’s loose enough it didn’t show up on my first chart, but it explains a lot of things. also that neptune square ascendant. no idea how people see me, go figure.
though i guess i can come across as soft, or gentle, or weak, or something. i dunno.
as an aries sun, it feels quite strange.
when i was a kid i hated the saturn and pluto playing with venus. but i understand them a lot better now, having read more than those first old old books (with bad aspect calculation systems) and it makes a lot more sense.
I regularly try to ignore and deny my Cap Moon, but it’s such a pain in the ass that it won’t LET me ignore it! Same with my Saturn in Leo… I want nothing to do with either one, but it’s just not working.
First house Saturn and Moon in Scorpio, 12th house Neptune, Mars in Leo, Sun in Leo, six fire signs, six water, 1 air - NO EARTH - and I’m still learning all the conjunctions, etc. so can’t speak much to those yet.
In my life, I could have used lots more security and stability and far, far less intense feelings (I hear you loud and clear, kashmiri) I wish I didn’t have to FEEL everything so much. I cannot count the number of times my feelings ruled all reactions to events in my life, and took me down some pretty rough roads.
But since I have begun to study astrology and my natal chart I have learned soooo many things, including how to better handle all the intense emotions and my reactions to them. And I am learning to like and appreciate all of my chart/self, coz like my man Aaron Neville says, ‘it took who I was, and where I’ve been, to make me who I am today . . .’
Oh - I should have said, I can’t count the number of times I ALLOWED my feelings to rule all reactions to events in my life . . .more accurate that way I think ha ha, also to say I was middle-aged before I realized I had a CHOICE.
Togi, mud can make some beautiful pottery and makes wonderful housing for something like 3/4 of the worlds’ people. Oh and it grows rice which feeds a lot of people in this world.
As for my chart. I keep trying to learn to love my 3 or 4 t-squares. It’s not the easiest thing to love when it doesn’t leave much if any “easy” aspects. Everything is a difficult balancing act. I always feel like i’m teetertottering. It probably doesn’t help that I have neptune opposite my asc. (and forget about it all the time - it isn’t ignore, it’s pure forgetting) So I walk blind in this world. I often don’t exist and my words aren’t heard by those around me. Then my moon pluto gets all wound up.
yeah, ok, trying to love my t-squares (please note the plural - none of them are easy to love)
so… with twelve zodiac signs and twelve houses with twelve planetary signs in constant rotation, would our past and present lives continue until we lived through every one of these different time periods? As each different sign? In each different house?
Obviously my head is reeling trying to understand the significance of all of this. Yet I know there is significance or I wouldn’t be here. Too much information for this feeble pisces mind. Though I think I’m starting to learn. Thanks elsa. Focus heart focus.
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Yikes, yes. Saturn in Capricorn 4th house for one. But I like the thigh analogy! Might as well make the most of what you’ve got… mine are on the large side by the way, and they haven’t done me in yet!