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Astrology, The US Economy, Composite Charts And A Person’s Destiny
Astrology in real life
L. asked on How Popular Is Real Love Anyway?
“I’ve wondered in general about the individual challenging aspects that one is supposed to be able to work with somehow, and whether they can equally be ‘worked with’ positively in a composite.”
I think everything can be worked with positively but many people don’t like to work! Consequently like make little of their gifts never mind their hardship and the consequences for this increase exponentially. This is as true for the individual as it is for the collective and I’d offer the current state of the US economy as proof. But aside from that, this comment made me take a look at the composite chart of the soldier and I which believe it or not, I’ve not bothered to do since getting proper birth data for him.
Turns out we have Saturn in tight aspect to the Sun, the Moon, Venus and Mercury… all hard aspects. It’s a Scorpio rising chart with ruler Pluto exactly conjunct the midheaven, co-ruler Mars conjunct Uranus in the 10th house, hence the sudden (Uranus) fights (Mars) in public (10th house). One look at all the Saturn action in this chart and it’s no wonder we opted out of this relationship as teenagers. I think it was just too daunting but what about that thing they call “karma”? What about “destiny”?
I can be no accident we spend 28.5 years apart… a Saturn cycle and then are put back together to do what we would not or could not when we were kids. Something like this happens to you and if you’re us you start to maybe put 2 and 2 together or try to anyway And when we put 2 and 2 together we come up with the idea you just can’t avoid your destiny.
It doesn’t matter if you don’t like your destiny. It doesn’t matter if it scares you, pisses you off, makes you whine or whatever other kind of hijinks you can imagine, whatever it is your are trying to avoid (or pawn off on others) is going to come back and get you and get you in spades.
So in this case I was going to try to opt away from the Special Forces soldier. I didn’t want to deal with (anymore) death. I wanted to have a lighter fare life for a switch, but guess what? That was not my destiny anymore than having blond hair is my destiny and our having put this off and delayed it for 30 years did us little good. It may be understandable but it was not advisable and my point as it relates to others is this:
Whatever your problems may be… let’s say you have problems in relationship since they are so focal for me. You are only going to be able to run so long. You can run all the way to your grave if you like but where is that going to get you? Will you wake up in your next life with the same problems only worse?
Based on my life experience I tend to think so.
What are your thoughts on destiny?
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“I wanted to have a lighter fare life for a switch . . .”
Even without the Soldier, though, you’ve had a tough time. Like you’ve said, E, you take the shit so the rest of us don’t have to. And that’s another destiny right there. *nodnod*
I’m still not sure whether I believe in karma, re-incarnation, or predestination. I do think there are things you need to learn while you’re on this big blue ball and you’re going to get thrown against them until you buckle down and get the lesson (or, alternatively, be miserable if you don’t). I’m just not quite certain how far it extends.
“…and our having put this off and delayed it for 30 years did us little good. It may be understandable but it was not advisable…”
But was that avoidable, Elsa? Was there any way you or anyone could have done that it was your destiny at that point? I mean, do you feel regrets or self-reproach? I understand the fear that one missed out on 30 years, but wasn’t that just part of the package — that it just would never have happened before no matter how mature anyone had been?
Busted
Busted, of course it was avoidable. We could have clutched it up, dug deeper, listened to reason (in his case), etc.
I do feel (mild) regret, I do not feel down on myself. As I said, what we did was completely understandable…I do not think it was advisable.
Per our chart, he acted contrary to good advice he got from a variety of sources. I acted in accord with bad advice actually and in whatever case, it’s what we did and yeah we regret it. Of course we regret it, however at this point the whole 30 years feels disappeared anyway.
Time is strange, i can tell you that.
“it’s no wonder we opted out of this relationship”
Sometimes you don’t opt out of your destiny, sometimes shit just happens and life puts you on hold. Waiting and waiting till you are given a sign to jump back in the game. Perhaps, a large part of destiny is actually a matter of divine timing. You just can’t go any faster than destined!
I believe in destiny but I think it’s a lot like reading a novel: as you’re reading there are bits that seem like foreshadowing. some of them are but some of them are just red herrings. you just don’t know till the whole book is read.
how do you know what’s good advice and what’s bad? it’s so easy to second-guess everything. I tend to believe that wherever you’re headed you get there eventually, whether you took one road or another, even if you went in the opposite direction (the earth is ROUND, Sherry Shepherd!).
from a teeshirt: “we are where we should be, doing what we should be doing, otherwise we’d be somewhere else doing something else.”
I also think of astrology as a tool in more clearly following your destiny. a chart could be like a map.
when you have a fairly straightforward chart it’s like a map with just a little topography and just the main routes.
a complicated chart has ALL the routes and the topography is so graphic is sometimes obscures which roads are more viable. there are so many choices that narrowing down your route becomes a burden.
on either of these maps there are things you don’t see, construction, closures. however, any problems with the main road are usually addressed much more quickly than those on one that is rarely used or is maintained by someone other than the establishment.
an easy chart, mostly trines and whatnot, might mean you just never get on the road.
Satori, that’s very well said. I will keep it in my mind. Thanks
thank you!
I think I am doomed to (a) want one, (b) have few opportunities for one, and (c) have it not go very well on the rare occasions that I get one. That seems to be my karma, especially where my Chiron is (7th house cusp).
I find it frustrating as to who I am attracted to and how rarely it happens (not in 4 years, really), especially since it doesn’t feel like I have options and can choose. It’s “you get this one shot, or nobody for the next number of years, and you gotta deal with their shit.” Whee.
Also, there’s the “nothing’s gonna work out before you’re 40″ thing. Which is also a real blast (especially since “work out” for me is probably a lot different from most people, and a whole lot less happy). I guess in the end maybe it’s karma/punishment for being happy and single in a previous life? Who knows, really, but astrology’s about the only thing that ever convinced me that karma is real, and mine is pretty ugly.
I once met a guy in the gym who I thought was a great match for me. We spent the better part of a year getting to know one another, and I have no idea why we didn’t do something (me, probably). One day, I see him with this woman, and a few months later, he talked to me excitedly about her–they were so aligned, it was incredible and exciting to hear. I kind of thought, “well, now that’s why he and I didn’t do something. she was on her way…”
So I don’t have regrets anymore. I used to have a “one who got away,” but he has this gorgeous kid now and I can’t help but think that’s his path, this is mine. Who knows what’s in store for me, but he helped shape some things by far. In fact, the person I’m with now is like his doppelganger; weird how things come back round.
I absolutely agree Elsa. Why run, hide, escape, or delay something that anyway is supposed to be? Why can´t we just accept it as it is?
“Man supposes that he directs his life and governs his actions, when his existence is irretrievably under the control of destiny.” -
— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
it’s scary.
particularly as i always feel i’m unprepared for the big deal on it’s way. as if somehow i should know more or be more or have a better clue.