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Pluto Going Direct In Sagittarius - Check Your Prejudice Here - Poll
Ask the collective
Daemoness writes on the Gaslighting bit regarding the various attacks against me on my blog:
“From my perspective, I believe that a lot of people are still very hung up viewing or dealing with a strong woman. Have you ever wondered if you would be getting this kind of reaction if you were a man posting what you do? I would bet it wouldn’t be happening or very minimally at least.”
Great question and no I have never wondered this buy I am wondering now. What if instead of Elsa P, I was Frank L? Would this change your perception of what is written on this blog?
And here is the burning question:
If your perception would change, how would it change?

34 Responses to “Pluto Going Direct In Sagittarius - Check Your Prejudice Here - Poll”
Natasha, thank you. I would respond differently too and I do know why, it’s because I am prejudiced! As for astrology bloggers who are provocative, Dharmaruci (http://astrotabletalk.blogspot.com/) comes to mind and being an Aquarian (and a manly man) he often writes things that require audacity and if he were a woman writing what he does I am sure my jaw would be on the floor a lot more often over there than it is and that’s just a fact.
I voted yes. I equate this to the fact that I also choose women doctors and I have a female minister as well.
As a woman, I just want help and advice from someone that knows what it feels like to be a woman.
Elsa, Most of the time your opinion resonates with me as a woman. I don’t really understand the perspective of a man as I am not one. Your man, by the way, is very entertaining and has given me some insight into the male psyche.
Yes, it would. I’m very discriminative of the sexes for better or worse, I confess.
I don’t know if I would be so interested in a man’s blog on Astrology, but that would obviously depend in the content. But generally I’m more interested in female wisdom. ![]()
“Your man, by the way, is very entertaining and has given me some insight into the male psyche.”
He is precious for this alone!! Boy my friends have seen their relationships improve dramatically because he translates the man for them.
Who knew??? We cannot be reminded enough, testosterone is not estrogen!!
thanks mb!
Nope. Nobody really cares what sex you are on the internet - if it weren’t for the videos, you could be a mirage. The comments would be from different people with a different set of attitudes if they thought you were male, or younger or older or with blonde straight hair, but the results would still be the same. People don’t like any opinions but their own, and anyone with a blog-journal and a following is going to get comment/mail drama.
Yeah, Elsa, I’m glad you’re not a man!
Seriously, like everyone here is saying, your a woman’s woman. And that’s why I’m here.
I’ve needed to understand certain things in my life and you’ve provided that. If you were a man, I don’t know that I’d be reading.
You should see my wife and her sisters [and anyone else who catches their enthusiasm] line dance to Shania Twain’s ‘Man I feel like a woman’-It’s a hoot!
My man is very different from yours. He’s a musician, not a soldier but he’s still very much a man and he does the same thing for me. He translates and explains what men really think and feel about all sorts of things. I think it speaks of the trust within our relationships. I don’t think most women can let their men really BE men much less teach them about men.
you’d make a weird man. ![]()
way too thoughtful on focused on emotional nuance, and way too likely to suggest to women that they take responsibility for their lives.
but the fierceness would be less unique.
but that’s one of the primary reasons i like you… that uniqueness.
I am basically an asshole. So it does not matter if you are a guy or a gal. I am an unbiased asshole. I try to use these powers for good and not evil though my kids beg to differ.
I’m glad you’re not a man. if you were a man you’d make my heart go pitty pat.
and that’s not good for anyone.
I’m genuinely surprised at the poll results. Does this mean people can only fully appreciate your thoughts because they come from a brain with two X chromosomes? If you had a sex change tomorrow, would your observations suddenly be less worthy or valid?
I guess I need to re-set my watch. It ain’t the Age Of Aquarius yet, people.
Matthew, I think that women have a different experience of the world because they are women. Regardless of how things should be, this is how they are. I don’t think either gender has it easier than the other, but there is without a doubt a difference.
I’m with Matthew on this one. I have a hard time getting along with people who are prejudiced one way or the other on this… People are people.
There’s that Uranus/MC conjunction speaking…
I don’t think it’s necessarily prejudice or at least it isn’t for me. To say there is a difference in perspective for a woman versus a man is not to say one is better than the other.
Well I have no qualms to admit I react differently to men then I do to women. I could say otherwise but it would be such a lie I could not stand myself.
This does not insinuate other people consider gender because I’d have no idea what other people do.. which is why I asked the question!
The vibe I get is: if I’m a woman, what a man says won’t be nearly as important as what a woman says, and vice versa… when they’re really two sides of the same coin. If you’re looking for input, why eliminate sources from the get-go?
A man will give different information than a woman would, but it will probably be just as applicable. Different angles, same object or, different objectives, same outcome.
People seem to be confusing gender with sex, here.
But we can agree to disagree ![]()
“…if I’m a woman, what a man says won’t be nearly as important as what a woman says..”
Rob, if you are getting that vibe from me, it is the wrong vibe. I don’t feel that way at all, however I can’t go into it because I am working on something else intently but I did want to state this..
I was talking more about other comments, Elsa. I didn’t get that vibe from you at all.
Sure, women have a different perspective than men… if I dare risk generalizing. But why would your perception of what Elsa have to change if she were a he?
More to the point: if YOUR perception of what she has to say changes based on her gender, who does that say more about: her, or YOU?
It’s like watching analysts on Fox News drooling over how all those Hillary voters will now flock to Palin because she’s a woman… never mind that politically they are two very different creatures.
Suppose Elsa was black instead of white…
(Oh, and yes Elsa… of course you react to people differently based on their gender. So do I. But personally, I’m not here to check out your cleavage. It’s the WRITING.)
Those of you that know me know I’m one of the biggest gender-equality proponants there are…you knew I’d be around sooner or later to post a really long comment, dintcha?? Here goes….
Some of our gender-specific perceptions and responses are based in biology, sure, but many more are based in cultural conditioning; how do we know which are which, and why should we care? I doubt there’s one simple answer to either question, but here’s mine, for what it’s worth.
When we choose or reject major political candidates based on some measure of their acceptability on a (supposedly) legally and philosophically outdated scale of “proper feminine behavior,” there’s obviously something wrong.
Is it the laws that are wrong? They clearly state that women are entitled to professional equality with men, and yet women who exhibit the traits necessary to make it as top political candidates face instant societal retribution, and are rejected with labels like “unfeminine” and much worse. Regardless of politics, this election business has been a nightmare of gender role stereotyping, in more ways than one.
Is it our culture that is wrong? We encourage our daughters to “be all that they can be,” while simultaneously conditioning them to reject such traits as aggressiveness, cunning, and outspokenness. We still covertly support many gender stereotypes that would probably make us cringe if we had to openly admit to them!
Is it me who is wrong? Sometimes I wish we could get rid of gender altogether, or add three or four more categories, or…something. I feel like there’s a hidden (not-so-hidden right now) interplay of gender politics that places intolerable limits on individual achievement and growth. It’s inside me, too…I had to honestly answer “yes” on the poll, because it’s the truth: my perceptions are biased based on gender.
I know that this bias doesn’t originate with my own beliefs, because I know better, both intellectually and experientially, but how to get rid of it, either personally or culturally? Is it even wise to get rid of such biases, in the long run? Who’s supposed to answer these questions?
I just don’t know.
as for how I look, color, etc. I can tell you for sure that it does matter. People are MUCH nicer to me since I started posting videos.
Now what they are reacting too, I couldn’t tell you. I have always had my picture posted the videos did make a dramatic difference.
i don’t know if i would’ve clicked on the link “frankfrank” !
The video thing doesn’t surprise me. It’s just a lot more input - not only your static picture, but voice, tone, body movements, etc. People get offended much more easily when text is the only thing they have to go on. Emails, for example, get misunderstood as being short and terse all the time, when if that same conversation happened face to face, the misunderstanding is a lot less likely (unless the person really intends to be terse).
the video response makes sense. seeing a video really drives home the point that there is a human being on the other end. there can be such a disconnect between bloggers and readers on the internet. people treat others with much less consideration on messageboards / blogs / etc than they ever would in person.
Well, that settles it then. Next week on my blog, I’ll be introducing my new ASTRO-STRIPPER feature. First installment: Is That Jupiter In My G-String, Or Am I Just Glad To See You?
This reminds me of the soldier talking about something along the lines of men being men and women being women. Notions of gender being socially constructed, inorganic, and fluid are popular with liberal academics now. That you are born with body parts, but nothing automatically makes you a man or a woman. I wonder what you and the soldier think of it. Is there anything fundamental that makes a man a man and a woman a woman? Does astrology have any sort of take on this?
When I think of you, Elsa, I think I can feel that yours is a blog written by a woman with the energy of a woman. However to me, you can get away with the things you say not because you are a woman, but because you’re you. The more I learn about you, the more I expect that you tell the whole story no matter what. The more I expect to not understand you or fail at understanding you. I think the soldier’s voice is very different, that the difference of testosterone is palpable, and that you can still feel or guess if something is written by a man or a woman on the internet. It doesn’t hurt to know who it is, though. Because often, like guessing somebody’s sun sign, your guess can be way off base.
I voted I don’t know. I really have no idea. If I I were to react differently, it would probably (in all honesty) a natural inclination to refuse to talk about sex entirely.
I have a natural inclination to deny I’m a sexual creature at all around men, real, fake, cyber or otherwise. Unless I want to sleep with them, because I have Venus in Aries.
Um, I think that’s it. I feel very wary being at all “female.” Still, after all these years. LOL. Part of the reason why I’m looking forward to being old. I can be as crass as I want to be and a dirty old lady if I want…or maybe one day I’ll just bite the bullet and get over the shame of being (embarrassingly) human.
It wouldn’t make a difference to me, although I’d probably raise the same amount of eyebrows at different topics. ![]()
I think Daemoness made an excellent point, and I have to say I strongly agree. Society as we know it just does NOT accept powerful women the way it does powerful men. It’s still taboo, and when that hidden boundary has been reached we pull women back under control. And I think Laura Walton illustrated this point very well with the elections.
Would Hillary have been so threatening to so many people if she were a man? And just look at the difference it makes when another woman attempts a run for a high office, but with a more socially acceptable and non-threatening approach. She has received far less personal attacks than Hillary. Why? Laura’s right when she says we reject such traits as “aggressiveness, cunning, and outspokenness” in a woman. I’d add to that competence, confidence and clout. When such a woman has influence over a large group of people, she is deemed threatening. As another example, look at Elsa’s Blog. She influences many people with her words, has a large and loyal audience, and look at the hate mail and personal attacks she receives. Could it be some people find her threatening? A woman with a powerful Mars (and a strong Pluto) to boot. Do they do this to men who dare to speak their minds?
We do teach girls to be smart and strong, but we make sure to keep her from becoming too smart and too strong. She is only free to be “all that she can be” so long as she cannot legitimately compete with and upstage a man. I’m glad Hillary put those 18 million cracks in the proverbial glass ceiling. More power to her and all the men and women who support the real American Dream, where everyone has the right to develop their highest potential.
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I read your blog because you are a woman with the voice of clarity that you have - and yes one with an edge sharp enough to cut through crap. You help me as I have similar reactions to my presence as some have to your words and I feel empowered by your blog as you can fight if you must but actually you prefer to play.
Your voice is decidedly female, but not as in gender as there are others whose words spark me that are male…..and I am into the words not the politics of them. But still if you were a male with these words I would respond very differently and I don’t really know why.