1 Minute Astrology: Are You Generous? When Is A Gift A Burden?

22 Responses to “1 Minute Astrology: Are You Generous? When Is A Gift A Burden?”

1. Matthew Currie says on 8/19/08 at 11:03 am:
   

   It’s been my experience that folks with Jupiter in Capricorn aren’t necessarily “ungenerous”… it’s hard to describe, but they have a quality of efficiency to their generosity. You, obviously… have a great deal of energy to give, so that’s what you give.

   If you were a loafer but a multimillionaire, you’d be more into spending money rather than energy on “gifts” (literal or figurative). Witness your own generosity of energy when it comes to your many projects for others, like the toptensources.com feed. And it is appreciated, believe me.

   But… do let us know if you ever win the lottery.

2. omie says on 8/19/08 at 11:38 am:
   

   this is a really good topic, I do have jupiter in capricorn, and I give give my energy abundantly, to everyone I love. I actually think this is one of the reasons my marriage failed. My ex, a virgo sun, mars, and mercury, with his moon, jupiter, and neptune in independent sagittarius didn’t want all the love, care, emotion and energy constantly heading his way.

   My caring cancer sun, stubborn taurus asc. hot headed leo mars and mercury, and lastly, venus in gemini… always coming up with something new to amuse him….. was he amused? Maybe, was he all that interested in being amused? Maybe not.

3. Cassi says on 8/19/08 at 11:51 am:
   

   Dang E, you look so lovely. Great vid, wise words. You look great. Dang, my leo sun checkin’ out your shoes instead of your words strikes again. (I did listen…)

4. maureen says on 8/19/08 at 11:52 am:
   

   Wow, as usual you throw out something that I’ve actually been thinking about.. how do you do that Elsa? Must be I value your energy. Anyway.. I’ve had more than one fire-sign boyfriend, burdened to all hell with their Corporate CEO lives, tell me they felt burdened being in a relationship with me. And each time, I would be stunned, because I was the type that would disappear at their request if they had too much on their plate (as in, stop chatting, go do my own thing, etc.). I would actually understand what they were talking about. Of course I would eventually get really lonely, but.. I’ve been thinking I have to fix something about me. Now I realize two things: People who always feel too burdened to have fun with me, or just to talk…are probably not going to last with me. It’s a mismatch, plain and simple. I’ve got way too much fire and air, and one hell of a yearning Libra…surpressing it is futile. Accomodate, yes. Listen more, yes. Ignore my nature, no.

5. Ana says on 8/19/08 at 1:01 pm:
   

   You do look lovelier than usual! I bet the Soldier had something to do with it

6. Astrosage says on 8/19/08 at 1:27 pm:
   

   The art of using a Capricorn Jupiter to our advantage is to offer help that empowers the other, particularly in the field of self-mastery. It requires hard work to shed the baggage of “control through generosity”.

   Jupiter is in its fall in Capricorn. The owner of such a Jupiter will always be seen to have a control issue associated with their generosity, no matter how or where it manifests. It can be mitigated, but it requires lots of serious effort, much like Venus in Virgo or Mars in Cancer, or Saturn in Aries. These represent the hardest work in the astrological chart.

7. omie says on 8/19/08 at 1:49 pm:
   

   interesting,

   ‘to offer help that empowers the other, particularly in the field of self-mastery.’

   because that is exactly my M.O. with all my friends, that is Exactly the type of helping I do.

   cool.

8. Loonsounds says on 8/19/08 at 2:11 pm:
   

   Jupiter in Cancer in the 5th house conjunct Uranus (1 degree). I love giving, and for no reason other than I just feel like it and I enjoy it. Giving can be entertainment for me. If there is a string attached then then I don’t even know what that is but I wouldn’t call it ‘giving.’

   I get yelled all the time by Jupiter in Capricorn & by people heavy on the Saturn for being “too generous.” They mean well, so I try not to take it personally, but I surely don’t like to deal with it

   They worry worry worry, that is all it really is. Some of them that I know think that they can buy future security, I am not of that opinion.

   I am blessed and lucky to trust in the energy of the universe when it comes to giving and I wouldn’t want to be any other way. What goes around comes around from someone else, I don’t even think about it, it just happens.

   I don’t worry at all about giving hugely of myself, whenever and however I can.

   Its never just money either….time, love, affection, sexual attentiveness… If a man is going to be a pinny pincher with the waitress he is going to suck in bed. If I observe one highly cheap act from a guy, then I do not even go on a second date.

   I don’t mind slipping extra cash on the table after my mother leaves 2 dollars when she should have left 4, but I feel turned off when a date short changes a waitress or waiter. And just in case anyone might wonder this, I pay for a date as often as a guy does if not more often, so thats not the point.

9. Loonsounds says on 8/19/08 at 2:15 pm:
   

   That’s a cute top, Elsa, new design. Lucy you can wear gray and look great!

10. jjj says on 8/19/08 at 2:34 pm:
    

    Comments on Jupiter in Capricorn. Apropos! (or however you spell that dang French)

    Me: Jupiter in Capricorn, retrograde, second house. In a mundane context, I give gifts (things) only when I feel certain the receiver will value it, whatever it is. To do that, I generally have to know (and like) the person very well. And in many cases, like when I really want to please the reciever, what I give is normally something that hurts to give (like as in a family heirloom, given to a sibling; or something that you’d very much like to have yourself, but feel you can’t afford for yourself.)

    Less mundanely, (Astrosage) whether (my) giving is bound up with some sort of control issues, or percieved to be so by recievers, I’d have to say, yes, when I am being very very generous with my time or energy (or both) there are people who seem only to be able to see some ulterior motive on my part. I’ve always thought that that was (their) human nature. There are people who will praise you (they’ve noticed your generosity), and people who will be (usually silently) suspicious. Anyway, I don’t think I ever give in order to “control.” I may try to give sometimes in order to “influence,” but that effort usually falls on its face. Other people seem to be easily able to influence others, but not me. I guess that phenomenon is described in some other part of my chart. Am I right that there’s a real difference between trying to influence and trying to control? Or not?

11. omie says on 8/19/08 at 2:44 pm:
    

    hmmm, I’m still thinking about this, I hate gifts with strings, and I neither give that way, Or want to receive that way; I’d much rather just not have whatever it is. But, I do think that jupiter in capricorn likes to see their gifts valued, as in they (we) can’t bear to see what ever it is wasted.. time, money, thoughtfulness.. Just a instant practical “Oh I should have saved that for so and so, who really would have loved it” etc.

    I think it takes effort for jupiter in capricorn to remember that a gift is never wasted, whether the the person you gifted enjoys it or not, giving always enriches you.

12. maureen says on 8/19/08 at 6:00 pm:
    

    When you’re being generous, I wonder, is it helpful to know where others’ Jupiters are? Does Jupiter define one’s ability to receive as well as give? Or is receiving purely a function of venus..or the moon?

13. Ana says on 8/19/08 at 6:04 pm:
    

    Jupiter conjunct Saturn here. I like to give gifts that are useful, or something the other person really wants to receive. If the gift hits the spot for them and is useful and meaningful, I enjoy giving it
    What I don’t like to do is give something that’s not really appreciated, so I tend to wait for hints or clues to see what they really need before I offer a gift. I also like to receive gifts of the same nature - useful or full of meaning in some way.

14. Loonsounds says on 8/19/08 at 6:13 pm:
    

    I have never (yet) had anyone not appreciate getting unexpected money, whether its a little or a little more or a bigger amount. It seems to be a very popular, wanted, and well received gift. Otherwise it is pretty damn easy to confuse what I think is awesome or meaningful with, especially with my college aged nieces. They Love to get a little extra cash, and I remember the feeling.

    Services like what you do, Elsa, amd certain other prolific bloggers, those are precisious gifts and obvious labors of love and devotion.

15. wyrdling says on 8/19/08 at 9:46 pm:
    

    what cassie said.

    uh… i get that more through venus/saturn and venus/pluto

    i can’t stand when people think a gift makes someone else beholden to them. gifts, to be pure in intent have to be given and received freely. and there’s always the danger that what you want to give the other person doesn’t want or need. and then, well… it’s not personal, you just don’t know them as well as they do…

    tricky stuff, that.

16. Astrosage says on 8/20/08 at 11:14 am:
    

    Loonsounds- Jupiter is exalted in Cancer- Enjoy!! and don’t let those cappy types piddle in your pocket.

17. Elsa says on 8/20/08 at 11:48 am:
    

    Re: Loonsounds, one manifestation of her exalted Jupiter in Cancer is this: She regularly tips this blog.

18. Loonsounds says on 8/20/08 at 11:53 am:
    

    

19. Astrosage says on 8/20/08 at 12:01 pm:
    

    jjj- influence or control, what folks are seeing is a contradiction.

    Either way, when you present Jupiter (all things jovial, generous, cool and fun) Saturn (influence, control, restriction, fear) comes along for the ride.

    When we sense a contradiction, we get suspicious of motives.

    People around your own age should understand this more readily than most, as will folks who are 12 years either side of you in age.

    You are not alone, just pat of a select bunch.

    There is a lot more to say, but I’d need to see your chart before saying it.

    For what its worth, I’m part of the Venus in Virgo bunch. That’s not great buckets of fun either. But once identified, we can work on making use of a difficult placement in a better way.

20. Loonsounds says on 8/20/08 at 12:18 pm:
    

    One thing that makes it enjoyable to give you tips, Elsa, is how easy it is. Three clicks and I can give you a tip. If only it was just a three click process to pay my bills, life would be a lot sweeter in the areas of the everyday stuff.

21. Astrosage says on 8/20/08 at 12:22 pm:
    

    jjj- to answer your actual question influence and control are the two faces of Saturn.

    Influence is an Aquarian trait, Control is a Capricorn trait. They are both very different to Jupiter, though Jupiter finds influence easier to deal with than control.

22. kashmiri says on 8/20/08 at 12:52 pm:
    

    but what about internet banking, loons? are you into that at all?

    I have Jupiter in Gemini in the 5th (6th? still learning the differences in my chart placidus/equalized house systems).

    I don’t care about actual gifts (weird, because I’m a Taurus) but I loooove when I am influenced by kindness, joy, lightheartedness and creativity…those are priceless to me.

    Of course, money’s always appreciated.

    In many aspects of my life I see Saturn as a disciplinarian more than anything else. Discipline is vital…for me. Maybe I say that cuz I have so little??

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