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Sagittarians Telling the Truth - God Help Us!
True stories
Some years back, I was writing on a message board about Gemnis lying. I called them Gemiliars and people got all pissed off. They were justified to an extent so having Libra, I decided to write about Gemini’s opposite sign: Sagittarius, known for being blunt and honest. Here’s the story…
I was dating this guy once, a Sadge rising. I’d met him in a restaurant for a big date. This was a really big date, he planned to propose to me after dinner. He had the ring in his pocket and here’s what happened instead:
We were sitting in a booth when he spied a gal he knew at a table behind me. The woman was a local celebrity. She was a household name in the area, at a level akin to a local news person.
He nodded in her direction. “Look. XXXXXX is over there. Do you know her? Do you know who she is?”
I glanced over my shoulder. “I’ve heard of her,” I said.
“We had sex once,” he said.
“Huh?”
“We had sex once. I had sex with her.”
“Why are you telling me this?” I asked with my eyes wide for emphasis and in an attempt to stop him.
“It was at a party.”
“So? Why are you telling me this? I don’t want to hear about it,” I said getting hot. I felt my cheeks heat up and just hoped he’d stop.
“It wasn’t that big a deal,” he said.
“I don’t want to hear about it,” I said. Shut the fuck up, I thought. I was getting visuals.
“Sheesh, Elsa. It was only one time. It was no big deal. She’s actually a lesbian, er… mostly.”
“I really don’t want to hear about this. I really don’t want to hear…”
“I can’t believe this bothers you,” he said interrupting me. “It’s no big deal. She was pretty drunk. I was drunk too.”
“Well… I DON’T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT IT.”
“Why not?”
“Are you fucking kidding me?” I asked, leaning in.
“Elsa. It was nothing. Really.”
Well, I could see he was not going to let it go. Fucker. I felt all hot and like I was going to cry so I decided to bolt. I grabbed my purse and coat, stood up, leaving him with the salad on the table. I headed to the door, with my chin up in Leo Venus style.
He followed.
Guess what he said on the way through the door, right as we passed the Maitre D?
“IT WAS JUST A BLOW JOB!” he blurted out. And then again with the, “She’s a lesbian, Elsa! For chrissakes, come back here so we can talk about this!”
I left the restaurant and shut the heavy wooden door on him, leaning against it so he couldn’t come out while I pulled my keys from my purse.
Keys in my hand, I released the door so he could watch me walk across the street. I remembered my sister’s words. “Make sure they see your ass walking away. Let ‘em try to shake that memory…”
I deftly unlocked the door to my car, got in and drove off leaving him standing in the street where my car window used to be.
Later, he explained himself.
“I love you. I want to get married and I want you to know everything about me.”
“Oh brother.”
See it didn’t matter if I wanted to know or not. The truth was being told, but not for my benefit. It was pretty much shoved down my throat. In hindsight, I still think this guy needs to learn to shut up.
In hindsight, he probably thinks I’m hopelessly hung up. You know. “If you can’t handle the truth…”
Having that wee bit of Libra in my chart, I can see both sides.
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31 Responses to “Sagittarians Telling the Truth - God Help Us!”
this reminds me of the lover that in the course of ONE conversation told me about nine women that were hot for him. I finally had enough and asked him to stop. he said, no way he had talked about nine women– he’d just talked about a couple of women, and he hadn’t said he was HOT for them… and…
he had sadge AND gemini!
As someone who deals with Sun in Leo, I have NO idea how your VENUS in Leo managed to restrain yourself from smacking him. You know how we like to think we are the only queen in the jungle….EVER!
Sun/Moon/Mercury in Sagittarius here. I’m always saying all the wrong things, ALL THE TIME. Sometimes I find that things just slip my tongue and once I say it, I totally regret saying it. Most people say things that they don’t mean when they’re angry, I say things that I don’t mean to say all the time and it’s so annoying. And unfortunately, words have a big impact on people, if they didn’t, Sagittarius would be fine.
Being a Sagittarius but with a bit of Libra myself I can see how selfish we can be with all this truth-telling. It’s simply to unload the bad energies, it’s so horrible. Fortunately (or not) I have a fair bit of Scorpio too so I’m learning to keep some secrets….
Now, see, THAT guy is me. 
One of the tests of any relationship to me is whether we can tell stories like that, because when I see someone I’ve slept with, it’s probably gonna come out of my mouth sooner or later.
I don’t follow people around yelling the truth at them, but the moment someone’s not comfortable with hearing my TMI? Time to back off, they’re not going to like me at all.
Which I usually tell them.
I hate being called a liar worse than anything in the world. I obsess over being truthful. The thing is, it’s just like your post about being drunk… once it’s known that I’m a Gemini, at least around here, who’s going to believe me? The louder I say it, the less truthful I sound. The well is poisoned. Why do you do it? 
I’m a Leo rising, Leo moon; I notice ppl get off on my reactions and want to keep pushing on with the same lil tid bits of unwanted info. They get off on expressions, mostly facial, whether its annoyance or being turned off; the point is they feed off it. So, do it back; tell em something stupid, like well did she teach you anything? Trust me it’ll teach em next time to think before opening their mouth, its all in good fun, so don’t let them have all the fun at ur own expense; play back.
Just a thought, but I feel like Sagittarius and Gemini are the biggest opposites of the zodiac. They sit very far off at each end of the spectrum. Then sometimes, I can’t even tell the difference, everything I criticize about Geminis I eventually find myself doing.
Even more annoying.
I couldn’t stop blurting last night…oh it was bad! I have jupiter in sag, jupiter opposing moon/venus conjunction and a sag midheaven. I always put my foot in my mouth. I hate it sometimes. oy vay.
Oh man… With a sag rising of my own AND leo in venus… I was both cringing and laughing out loud the whole time I read this. Sheesh.
Yes I wonder what´s really the difference btw sag and gemini when it comes to gossip and letting out unwanted info.God save Scorpions!Double sag,here sag mercury square pluto/uranus and saturn, and…jupiter in gemini.
I had sthing like this once, but the unwanted info went via a “trusted” gemini friend and crashed into an oversensitive pisces.It still hurts, buth my mouth has shrunken since then.No more gemini confidants, anyhow!If I put my foot in it, at least it is my own.
Bluemarine. That has happened to me before, but I have this thing about the information I disclose where I always keep in mind that what I say could potentially be spread around. It doesn’t make me any more wary. I actually talk a whole lot of nothing with most people.
I relate to the Leo moon thing, Lindly, but I am afraid I would not have been as civilized as Elsa was to the guy. That went beyond truth telling all the way down to simple boasting & I’d have called him on that & probably thrown out a few insults along the lines of correlations between small penis size and excessive pointless boasting in men. THEN I would have left.
That behavior is abominable, Leo on no Leo. (or, more like it, I can’t step outside of the Leo viewpoint on this matter.)
Oh lordy. Sagg! I still remember my 50th birthday dinner when my very Sagg grandmother unexpectedly declared, “Yep! Fifty years ago they pulled you from my body…” My Virgo rising mother, in mid-bite, gagged. “That was totally unneccessary, Mother.” “Well, it’s true,” said Grandma, and calmly went on with her meal.
The story still makes me laugh.
Bluemarine–funny, the biggest gossip I know is a Scorpio–with Mercury and Moon in Sagittarius. Sag takes over, LOL!
I do have a friend I refer to as a ‘vault’–He’s a Gemini Sun, Sagittarius ASC, with a Moon in Leo. Proof of what, I don’t know. Maybe Pluto moving through his 12th House almost the entire time we’ve known each other (as at has mine) has kept the communication between us sacred?
Ugh. With a bunch of decorous Libra and a Gemilying moon, I really try to avoid any contact with those types of confessions. Sometimes they feel better after you rip off the Band-Aid and hear them, but sometimes you’d rather just cry and leave.
Oh, I was rolling on the floor laughing–OK, not quite. I don’t know if I ever would have been so indiscreet about a liaison, but the refusal to drop the subject, ever, rang some bells for me. I always thought that stubborn part of my personality was more my Scorpio Sun and Mercury, but the not knowing when to SHUT UP! is definitely the Sag ascendant. You nailed this one, Elsa!
I have a friend we call Internet. He is a gemini with Sag rising and moon. That dude can gossip and tell a story like nobody. He will tell you the truth and the WHOLE truth. He is hysterical.
Hi Elsa, from my experience of now more than 50 years with a Capricorn and Sag. rising father and a a sister. I see your interpretation a bit different. For these people lying is a matter of breathing. They do not differentiate between, truth, half lies full lies intentional malicious lies even within the same story. It is all about how important and superior they deem themselves to look to the outside. They have only contempt for people who do not come up to their imagined standards and start a negative campaigns against people who are of equal influence or knowledge or even better if they deem them not to be of use to themselves any more or at all. I would but this story into the category brag about their own self-importance and nothing but hot air after my experience with my family.
Kashmiri, my experience with Scorpio gossips,is yes, they can be, but it´s mainly one-sided.The types who keep asking you questions so they can make up a file on you but they seldom disclose anything about themselves or third parties.I find the greatest “spreaders” are still sags or air signs, and mercury neptune aspects I suppose.
I recieved a piece of junkmail on friday, one of those kinds with the wide piece you tear off to open the envelope. Now, I didn’t look at the mail itself but I took the tear off piece to show my friends ’cause it said
“Since we’re friends, I think you’ll take this in the spirit it’s intended”
Because, if you can’t, you’re probably going to hate my guts. I do my best to keep it under control, but sometimes . . ugh. Jupiter in the ninth, square mercury (cnj sun) I have a big, big, mouth.
Yeah, please, no more Gemini confidants! I am damn curious, but it’s hard for me to keep the information.
I had trouble with my academic adviser who’s a Sagittarius and once told me “You dish out a lot of crap” and kept on talking. She hurt my Cancer sensitivities and I tried to rewind it like “Wait, what? Why?”
charles, wow. I was blown away by your description, probably because I am Cap with Sag rising. I think your experience is proof that any chart pattern/placement has no moral superiority over another, but as agents of free-will we can play out the qualities of our charts for good or for harm. Self-awareness seems to be key, but even that doesn’t always help!
Yes, Dina, but with a rising sag I have all them gossipy gemini moons, suns and the lot right on my 7th house…I cannot live without them…Although now I moved my trust towards Capricorn and Virgo.
Coming home I see a friend but I still can not recognize her, I start asking “Oh- How are You! What about…. -while seeking desperately in my mind who is this girl with the handkerchief in the head - then I remember she is dying of cancer and then trying desperately to pretend I have not noticed her bad health and bad face I shoot whit a lousy “What about your life!!!” YIKKKKK!!!! when my venus and sun in libra hear it (myself saying it) I feel my heart splits… mainly when I notice a shadow in her face…Oh God!
That is to be a sadge. There is a point when others accept you and you accept how you are….
Oh dear…that reminds me of my Sag coworker who, upon learning that our other work mate’s parents died (suddenly, 3 weeks apart) said brightly: ‘Oh well! At least you’ll save money on Christmas presents this year!’ OH MY GOD!!!!!
At least the guy laughed!
Speaking also as a Sag rising, I’m interested in how this observation drifted towards Gemini and Libra. I agree wholeheartedly “No more Gemini confidants,” but I do like them, think they’re fun. (I, Virgo). But you just can’t take them seriously, ever, can you? Maybe they lie, I don’t know. It depends if it’s a lie in their own minds? Maybe they’re just trying to stir the pot for everyone’s general amusement? But then again, I feel I just don’t ever understand any of their (Gemini’s) motivations. I have no planets in either Gemini or the 3rd house. And no siblings of that sign among the nine.
But hey, Libra is my pet peeve. I’ve got lots of Libra, so I’ve got a handle on it. Libras often come in Virgo flavors or Scorpio flavors. My sister’s of the Scorpio type. She’s the biggest gossip ever, can talk on the telephone for two hours without taking a breath. I find her scheming and manipulative nature too much to bear most of the time. But strangely enough (to me it seems) she means well, and other people seem totally charmed by her.
As for my Sag rising, yes, I often blurt out the totally wrong thing to say. Mostly, at my advanced age (relatively), I have this phenomenon under control. Lot’s of stuff I don’t want to remember, though! And it’s quite true that I usually feel that the “intent” of my offending blurtation was unfortunately very misunderstood.
Kashmiri, that was so funny! (cause I wasn’t there)
With Scorpio Sun and Sag Mercury, after all this time, I think i usually have fairly good control over my mouth. I still adeptly manage to fit a foot or two in though, on occasion.
I definitely agree with the whole “need to know” thing. But if you’re ever not sure about whether you should say something, just tell them, “well if i tell you that, i’ll have to kill you”. There. You’ve said something, but not the wrong thing.
As a Sagittarius male — one who has experienced the opposite end of scenarios very much like the one you described — I’ve been thinking for a long time as to how I should respond to this blog entry.
After long contemplation, the best I can STILL come up with is “Umm… sorry?”
Sorry about that. Honestly.
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Oh, brother. Why do some people not get that we are not ALL on a need-to-know basis? (For the record I’m a Sagittarius ASC so can somewhat relate to foot-in-mouth disease).
If someone tells me ‘I don’t want to know’ I feel sheepish but definitely am in the No Means No camp! People deserve to have their boundaries respected.