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Virgos Are Controlling? I Don’t Get It - Who Is The Control Freak Of The Zodiac?

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Over the last couple days there have been a slew of comments that characterize Virgos as controlling. I don’t get this at all. I consider the Cardinal signs to be the control freaks of the zodiac without question.

Now don’t get pissed off at me, I have both Capricorn and Libra prominent and it takes one to know but for the people who think Virgos are controlling - Please ’splain to Lucy.

In my mind, Virgos communicate what is wrong with you and then go off to do their other work. Um…

Who is the control freak King (or Queen) of the zodiac?

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| Posted at 10:32 am

84 Responses to “Virgos Are Controlling? I Don’t Get It - Who Is The Control Freak Of The Zodiac?”

Dim says on 6/21/08 at 10:54 am:

Hmm..

Cappy’s love to control their environment… but I’ve never met one that wanted to control people, per se; it’s always been more of a “If you can give me what I want, stay; if not, please don’t interfere in my business”.

Libras, on the other hand, looove to control people. I have a typical Libra sister… my Taurus sun has finally gotten wise to her ways and is no longer budging

Virgos… can be stunningly manipulative, but controlling? Nope…

Scorpios are the control freaks, hands down..
Piya says on 6/21/08 at 11:11 am:

My Aquarius boyfriend always accuses me of being controlling, which is troubling to Venus and Mercury in Virgo. I’m just trying to be helpful! He shouldn’t be driving in that lane because he needs to make a left! He put a comma in the wrong place! He spelled “chipotle” wrong!

He doesn’t have to change these things. But he should know they are there. I mean, jeez!
kashmiri says on 6/21/08 at 11:14 am:

I don’t find Virgos controlling, but I do find them a bit analytical.

I don’t like planning. So I guess that’s WHY I have a partner with 6 planets in his 6th House (Virgo’s home?) Ha ha ha

As for who’s controlling, I don’t notice…I’m basically uncontrollable, so knock yourself out.
Dim says on 6/21/08 at 11:23 am:

lol @ Piya…

I would love to follow you two around all day

That said, Virgos are always running around cleaning my apartment.. I do it anyway (stress buster) but it’s cool ’cause it frees up some time for me to do other stuff… like relax. I only really relax when my Virgo friends come around…. Wow…. I just fell in love with Virgos all over again.
Lupa says on 6/21/08 at 11:26 am:

I imagine that people hear Virgo’s helpful suggestions as attempts to control. Virgos are efficient and good at getting things done. If someone can come in and show a Virgo a better, more efficient way of doing things they will incorporate that knowledge. A really controlling person would not be able to do that.

I agree that the control freaks are the Cardinals. I have vast experience with Aries men so they get my vote.
Elsa says on 6/21/08 at 11:32 am:

But kashmiri - Virgos are supposed to be analytical. It’s their function. Jeez Louise, should no one think of anything carefully ever?

I’m not being bitchy, I’m just askin’.
Elsa says on 6/21/08 at 11:33 am:

oh, and planning is Capricorn not Virgo. Virgo discerns and God help Pisces without them.
Carielle says on 6/21/08 at 11:41 am:

“Virgos communicate what is wrong with you…”

This is probably a big part of the reason that people are tagging Virgos as controlling. Very few people actually want to hear that there’s something wrong with them, and they respond defensively by projecting the “wrongness” onto the speaker. Kind of like this:

Virgo: “Dude, this aspect of your personality is way out of whack…if you don’t look into adjusting that, it’s really going to cause you some problems down the line…just saying…”

Non-Virgo: “You don’t like this aspect of me? There’s nothing wrong with me! You want to change me because you think there’s something wrong with me but there isn’t! You’re trying to make me into something else, trying to control how I act! You’re controlling!”
Loonsounds says on 6/21/08 at 11:42 am:

Cardinal signs.

Aires through being bossy
Cancer through guilt tripping
Libra because they just are
Capricorn because they really are the boss

also, Scorpio, because control has to do with power.

Virgos don’t get my vote as controlling but they sure are a pain in the ass
phel says on 6/21/08 at 11:46 am:

“Virgos communicate what is wrong with you…”

OMG!

The really manipulative ones will communicate it by asking you a question that they carefully anticipate the answer will be….exactly what they are not saying.

My merc is virgo and MC is cap. Love to think things through and fret about it the whole way.
spinner says on 6/21/08 at 11:48 am:

I have Pisces and Virgo. They seem to make a good team for the most part. Somedays I am like the laziest Virgo you have ever met in your life! Capricorn reminds me to get off the couch and do something. Jupiter says it’s gonna work out my friend, just sit back and when you are ready, go like there is no tomorrow. My Aries partner can be very controlling. I let her control all sorts of stuff, which makes it easier for me in the long run. She makes good judgements about things most of the time, so I give her lot’s of space and pick my times to ask for favours or to lok at something from a different point of view. There are areas of our lives like finance that she leaves completely in my hands.
Elsa says on 6/21/08 at 11:50 am:

See, I am talking about PURE Virgo energy. Not where someone’s Mars is, or their jacked up Mercury or the fact they have a Virgo Sun but a stellium in Cancer…
kashmiri says on 6/21/08 at 11:55 am:

Heh. I know…I’m being facetious. I have a 1st House Moon and am highly intuitive…I can ‘hear too many voices’ if you catch my drift. My brain literally short-circuits.
(The big reason why I rejuvenate while I’m alone, probably).
spinner says on 6/21/08 at 11:58 am:

hi elsa- can you see if my last comment is lurking behind the curtains?
kashmiri says on 6/21/08 at 11:59 am:

Ah ha, yes, Capricorns/planning. Gotcha. I don’t know if I’ve experienced the pure Virgo energy…so many Virgos I’ve met have significant Leo as well, and the combination confounds me.
Lee says on 6/21/08 at 12:11 pm:

I have been Married to a Man with Virgo Sun/moon/Rising and saturn. He’s so not controling. I have known him for 12yrs. (Been married for 6 of those years)

I’m a Cancer sun with Aries moon! I’m controling!! Everything has to be done my way. Mostly it’s my territory that I need to control, not really people. Well unless they start screwing with my comfort zone.
Charlotte says on 6/21/08 at 12:17 pm:

I’m really surprised Virgo was even brought up as controlling! I’ve known a lot of Virgos and I have Virgo moon and rising and while I definitely feel most of the time like I am the only one who can do something the way it should be done but I know that’s not at all practical.

Controlling people has to do with attaining and retaining power over other people, which I think is so far away from what Virgo stands for. Virgo doesn’t crave power (like the Cardinals), it just gets upset when people don’t do things the way they should be done. It doesn’t try to force or manipulate. Not the Virgos I have known anyway. Sheesh.
spinner says on 6/21/08 at 1:14 pm:

having said that, my aries partner has a good job and spends money on herself without interference from me. I am lucky thogh as she is quite frugal and does consult me on larger purchases or bigger picture stuff.

Charlotte, I think you are on to something. I have not met Virgos that like to control everything. I have met some male Virgos with messed up ways of dealing with their emotions, like lashing out at people.
Lis says on 6/21/08 at 1:38 pm:

Controlling one’s environment and organizing one’s surroundings are two totally different things. Virgo organizes and fusses around, but controlling things? Not their thing. (I have three planets in Virgo.)

All the Cardinals are controlling (my ASC and Moon are Cardinal), but Capricorn wins the prize for control freakiness, hands down.
kashmiri says on 6/21/08 at 2:01 pm:

The more I read this thread the more I think I just don’t get Virgo energy, full stop. It’s one of those signs that…I dunno. You’d think I’d understand being an earth sign and all. ::scratches head::

I agree with Loonsounds, Capricorn really is the boss. For real. If you’re worried about them being controlling at least you can effen say so without them falling down and crying (not naming any signs).
JJJ says on 6/21/08 at 2:33 pm:

As quite a Virgo-ish Virgo, though far from “pure,” I’d just like to say that I’d be quite happy to get any number of things in my life under control, including some of my relationships. Ain’t gonna happen, I know that! Remember, Virgos are PRACTICAL. If I can control something that really sorely needs controlling IMHO, then by gawd I’ll try to get it under control.

Meanwhile: (ahem, phel)
The really manipulative ones will communicate it by asking you a question that they carefully anticipate the answer will be….exactly what they are not saying.

Ummm, that’s because if I say it outright I may have had the experience before of you going absolutely ballistic. No thanks. But I am perhaps responding to an extreme example. I’m thinking of my Cancer younger brother. You know, it’s supposed to be teacherly, Socratic like. You’re free to answer however you like, really. Even yelling. (smiley face)
JJJ says on 6/21/08 at 2:45 pm:

PS., I do find Cancer manipulative/controlling, though I have a hard time distinguishing which. My Scorpio significant-figure-in-my-life, definitely tries to control the daily agenda. Mostly I welcome it. It’s just when several people get involved in the plans that things get sticky and sometimes ugly. Aquarius and Libra are manipulative. Gemini tries and then laughs. Sagg imagines he has things under control. Leo might cry, so just do what they want. I don’t know any Caps. I think they don’t like me. That leaves Taurus? They’re easy going, by definition. Oh yeah, Aries can be pricks about it.
Heather says on 6/21/08 at 3:48 pm:

Maybe it was the pure part I was missing, but my stepfather is Virgo with a side of Virgo and his expects his suggestions to be implemented immediately and anything less is a disappointment. He serves all meals, you get nothing more or less than he thinks you need, if he doesn’t think you are dressed appropriately (and I’m talking going to the park, not a suit and tie restaurant) plans are changed and we don’t go. That kind of thing seems controlling to me. But I didn’t think it could be some of his other stuff coming into play.
Heather says on 6/21/08 at 3:49 pm:

And I might mention, I’m 45, he’s 53 and he still tries to do this to me…23 years he’s been married to my mom.
Elsa says on 6/21/08 at 3:51 pm:

Heather - 23 years? And you haven’t yet shot him? Amaaaazing.
angelineelise says on 6/21/08 at 3:54 pm:

Elsa, I love these blogs! They are so deliciously witty and true!!

I really think Virgo’s come off as controlling because of the things they say and do (ie-perfecting, fussing, criticizing) but are actually not really controlling…it’s their ‘autopilot’ to tell people about themselves when they can’t be doing something more constructive for you like cleaning your house or custom building you a hard drive. I once read the best way to get a Virgo to get off your back is to give them something to do…makes sense!

I think Capricorns (I am) can be controlling…but I have a fixed chart with plenty of Aquarius, so I mainly am in control of myself I find. I have a Scorp Saturn conj. Pluto on my MC….for the most part I attract really controlling Scorp/Pluto types…I personally find those to be the most oppressive!!

I don’t see a problems with Virgo’s form of control…but that Scorp need to control everything either outright or even more scary….behind the curtain gets me every time!

Maybe it’s a preference thing…maybe certain people can’t handle certain types of control.

Or maybe my Sun is transiting my 6th house and I just got back from Bath and Body Works soap shopping spree and about to head into my freshly cleaned tub!

Virgo Sympathizer,
A.
angelineelise says on 6/21/08 at 3:57 pm:

Looks like JJJ has all the signs covered btw! Haha.

A.
ewinbee says on 6/21/08 at 4:02 pm:

I had no idea Libras had a rep as being controlling… the two Libras I’ve known best (I was engaged to one of them) were both very avoidant, not controlling at all. Never able to make a decision, non-confrontational to the point of disappearing into the wallpaper, etc.

Then again, I AM controlling. Which may also explain why I get along so famously with Virgos. Someone wants exact instructions? I can do that.

I’ve found Aries and Caps to be very controlling. (And me + Aries to be highly explosive.) Virgos? Nah.

My own controlling side is almost exclusively Taurus.
Snapdragon says on 6/21/08 at 4:15 pm:

JJJ - you have a Scorpio significant other? (or whatever) I know this is not an advice column….it’s not is it? :::Laughing::: Just wondering if you (or anyone) has any ideas on how to get this guy to friggin make a move?

Scorpio Sun, Venus in Capricorn, Mars in Virgo. Geeze, between the Scorpio and the Capricorn, I’m probably screwed….i’ll be like the posts that people put up that kind of disappear into a infinity…

P.S. Kashmiri, those posts were so funny!
Rkkggg says on 6/21/08 at 4:20 pm:

My experience with Virgos is that they are outrageously demanding of the people they have relationships with, be it friends, family, or lovers. It the person does not live up to their ridiculously high standards, then they *judge* the individual, and often walk away from the relationship/friendship entirely, because they are so invested in being “right” and having things done the “right” way, and even living the “right” way. I’ve been dumped by Virgos because I didn’t vote the way they thought I ought, and I’ve been dumped by Virgos because I accept monetary help from my parents, which they considered to be a “wrong” thing, and I’ve been dumped by Virgos because I refused to agree that there was a single right way for people to be/behave/live/love, etc.

Personally, I think Virgos are emotionally wounding in a way that feels controlling because the message they give is: BE HOW I WANT YOU TO BE OR ELSE WE CAN’T BE IN A RELATIONSHIP ANYMORE.

As a Libra, who often sees so many sides of various issues and can’t commit the way a Virgo can to one way being the absolute right way, well, their ultimatum feels like a controlling position to me, an emotional blackmail position. I get that kind of thing quite often from Virgos. I grew up surrounded by them, and to this day find them to be the most hurtful in general of any other sun sign I’ve been in contact with.

So, yeah, I find them emotionally controlling and wounding in many cases. Their expectations are simply unrealistic and too demanding.
mudlikesubstance says on 6/21/08 at 5:04 pm:

I vote for Scorpios as being the most emotionally controlling. Libras on a general level and Capriocrns at work. I have a number of cappy friends and they let go at home, maybe they see what they’ll loose at home if they don’t give some get some.

As for Virgos…. I guess I’ve never seen them as controlling. I see them as hoping, sorting, fixing fixing fixing but that mostly seems to be things - like the door latch or the toaster etc. etc.

I have seen them be picky - ie if you view the world this way they don’t know how to be in an intimate relationship with you (two virgo girlfriends that fight this battle of how to accept a guy who thinks so differently as to violate their moral standards.)

But in the end, I vote for Scorpios.
Lupa says on 6/21/08 at 5:35 pm:

I love these posts too and find them fascinating. I do think that the cardinal signs tend to be most overtly controlling but in the end we can all try to manipulate or control others and then the question becomes HOW does a Gemini try to control others or how does a Cancer etc…

Gemini will try to talk or charm you into it. Scorp might try to sex you up. Aquarius would probably play cat/mouse games to get you to come here or go away.

Anyway I think the trick is to avoid people who sink to the low end of their astrological make up and to try and take the high road ourselves.
Snapdragon says on 6/21/08 at 5:36 pm:

Good post, Lupa
Lupa says on 6/21/08 at 5:38 pm:

Thanks Snapdragon!
Piya says on 6/21/08 at 5:56 pm:

Yeah, I don’t see Libras being controlling (I’m not sure what exactly they would try to control?). My dude is a Libra rising and having to lay down the law (any law) at his job practically incapacitates him.
satori says on 6/21/08 at 6:12 pm:

I don’t think “controlling” is a sign-linked predisposition. I think it’s a negative expression of combinations of planet/signs… as in:

my capricorn moon square my aries venus, and the fact that I have the seventh in aquarius and 2 7th house planets.

I crave security and independence at the same time, am attracted and repelled, at the same time, and when I’m not conscious about this dichotomy I tend to try to control the other to mitigate my discomfort with myself.

am I controlling cos I’m pisces? or am I controlling cos I need therapy? I say– BOO I already got me some therapy!
Daemoness says on 6/21/08 at 6:56 pm:

I think it is the Cardinals hands down. The most controlling man I have ever met is a Libra, with Leo rising. However to be fair it is my interaction with him that seems to make this so, so how much of it is me? Can there be pure unadulterated energy like controlling etc without others energies bouncing in and out to make it so? I hope this is understandable, what I am trying to convey here.

I have different configurations of planets that send out energy of… don’t even think of controlling me. Wouldn’t that be a red flag to controllers, and how much of it is me drawing those kinds of people!? With a Taurus Sun and Mar’s conjunct the midheaven, I think I also have to accept that I am just a tad controlling as well.

All I know is the relationship with this man, if one can even term it a relationship has sent me spinning out into the void. I am trying so hard to understand what I am supposed to “get” and learn properly with dealing with all of the emotions and thoughts that this exercise of relating has generated.
Heather says on 6/21/08 at 8:11 pm:

LOL at satori..and Lupa good point on sinking to the low end. And no Elsa…I haven’t shot him yet, but I did take a couple of years off from talking to them because it became a bit much. Now, I just detach and serve a big meal to the kids before we go over there.

I love blogs like this that make me think, so I was thinking about this while I was out tonight and one of my dear friends who is also Virgo came to mind. She’s the anti-step dad. She’s practical (had an IRA when she was 18 and way before they were in fashion), discerning and incredibly faithful and she has always inspired me to that higher plane. I haven’t always succeeded, but she’s never given up on me. Virgo shining brightly…cheers Sarah!
wyrdling says on 6/21/08 at 8:50 pm:

as a virgo ascendant… i usually keep my mouth shut. i have more important things to do than manage other people’s lives. though as a teacher i do try to make the road signs really clear, and written in as many languages as i can. but i can’t make anyone actually follow the directions if they don’t want to.

although my aries gets irritated if someone gets in my way and slows me down…

well, and then there’s parenting….
wyrdling says on 6/21/08 at 8:59 pm:

(or should i say, you can lead a student to knowledge, but you can’t make them think. you can just show them good ways to try)
wyrdling says on 6/21/08 at 9:07 pm:

my pet peeves for control freaks is capricorn
just the fossilized ones though.

sometimes cancer bugs me by assuming that your moods are their responsibility (i have lots of them around, in one guise or another.) there are some that i have great difficulty in feeling like i have any emotional privacy in their presence. (well, it’s the scorpio/cancer double sided assault….)
Snapdragon says on 6/21/08 at 9:08 pm:

Daemoness, I thought that post was really good, especially the part about “how much of it is you, how much of it is me” Instead of just blaming it all on the other person. Course sometimes that works, too!
Loonsounds says on 6/21/08 at 9:14 pm:

Dameoness, I feel compelled to wish you luck with that one cuz I think you’ll need it ;-). Most controlling man I ever dated was Libra. It seems like a combo of a lot of cardinal with a lot of Virgo is kinda especially difficult for types like me to stomach. They not only tell you what to do (in my case, ‘try to’ tell me, cuz I am a Taurus, aka the immovable object), and how to do it, they also pick you apart in the process.

But there have been quite a few times that someone with Strong Virgo energy, like my exhusband, a Virgo, they will somehow have that one last tiny missing piece that you absolutely must have in order for the project/puzzle to be accomplished. That is pretty cool how they do that.
eva says on 6/21/08 at 11:15 pm:

It’s Gemini. In my opinion, not only do they not know how they do it, they don’t even know why they do it.

Virgos are controlled. Internally, they’re adhering to some insane off the wall dress code. Capricorns need Order, Aries needs to be The Baby, Cancer needs to tuck everyone in safe at night, Libra needs to know nobody has tried to stage a coup.

Gemini…they just manipulate for the hell of it. Because it’s how they test the world. I think it might be how they know they exist.
Angela says on 6/21/08 at 11:38 pm:

I am aware of ways in which I can be controlling, and I do my best not to be… one series of Elsa’s, that I really liked, was all about projection - it fascinated me, because I could name two people who were constantly projecting onto me; I also remembered one person that I’d projected several things onto, so I try to pay attention in my dealings with others. It bugs me when I can’t let go of something, because I know that it isn’t in my control, and it’s ridiculous to be distracted by something in that way.

I try to work out any type of bad situation/relationship problems, through writing, and talking (if I’m not too emotional before writing). I’ll vent, and then once that’s out, I’ll start to think about things from the perspective of anyone else involved. After that, I may vent some more, then go back to analyzing other people’s motives - I do my best to be fair. What I don’t like, is getting to hear about certain things over and over again, where I’m apparently not living up to their standards (Taurus Sun, Moon in Aries or Taurus, Mercury in Aries opposed Uranus, Venus conjunct Jupiter in Pisces, Mars conjunct Saturn in Cancer, square Pluto) - he would also sound as though he was constantly trying to teach me something - caring, but kind of patronizing, too. He would point out areas in which he’d made the same mistakes, but also considered himself to be above many people, in terms of integrity and knowledge. Then he flakes out, and acts in the same way he’s accused other people of acting… I waved the red cape in front of him, threw back some of what he’d been chucking out to the world (and me), and he didn’t like it.

Aries/Gemini/Scorpio
Angela says on 6/21/08 at 11:41 pm:

I think I got caught in the spam trap again. Maybe it’s better that way, and my comment just shouldn’t be published.
Little Miss Hermit says on 6/22/08 at 12:06 am:

I know a lady who has the Sun, Mercury, Venus, Uranus and Pluto all conjunct in Virgo, and Moon and Mars conjunct Neptune in Scorpio. She quite evolved; a natural (hands on) healer. I say “quite” because I know she still has unresolved issues with both her parents. (Very cold and controlling mother and her father is a light autist - and physics professor)
Her well-wishing impulses unfortunately make her come across as extremely *meddlesome* at times, but she is well loved:)
Jilly says on 6/22/08 at 12:12 am:

I think Libra is pretty controlling. Perhaps you just didn’t realize you’re being controlled.

Virgo isn’t controlling to me. I have Virgo (and Cap and Libra) & also Virgo & Cap runs in my family.

Last year my family had to deal with [horrible, drawn-out, traumatic family matter] and [Virgo family member] came up with plans ABCDEFG for all the scenarios. With spreadsheets. But there was no controlling [from Virgo family member].
Little Miss Hermit says on 6/22/08 at 12:17 am:

My vote goes to Leo as most controlling; Scorpio in second - but only because Leos and I often rub each other the wrong way - not so with Scorpio: I don’t mind Scorpio pulling my strings at all; I’ve never been on the bad side of a Scorpio male and if I wait things out I see their behind the scenes efforts are always, always to my benefit, even when that’s not the primary objective. It’s amazing!<3
Angela says on 6/22/08 at 1:12 am:

Oh, and should my comment be published - I felt bad for throwing stuff back at this guy, I’d just really been pushed at that point. Before, I’d gently point out where I didn’t agree, smile, move onto something else… I have these bouts of anger over him, but can never stay (consistently) angry. He had a certain defensive wall, was introverted, and could come off as being very angry - he loved to talk about things that were on his mind, but he didn’t always have the best social skills (I can relate to that) - there were times when his Venus/Jupiter was apparent, though ~ very much so. I admired the fact that he tried to improve himself in areas where he would think he needed it - he never apologized, but would find a way to adjust his behaviour if he took something to heart.

He was as controlling of himself as he could appear to be with others - that is no longer apparent, though. I wish I knew his ascendant, so that I could see where exactly Pluto and Uranus are transiting in his chart.
Daemoness says on 6/22/08 at 4:21 am:

Snapdragon and Loonsounds, thank you both.

I wrote a long piece explaining some of the background of relating with this man and then my net connection went into a brain fart and I thought maybe I best not try to re-write it.

I will be succinct and state that things came to a head over Astrology. He hates that I could see so much of the real him from his chart, and *paraphrasing* anyone can see these things. Of course there was a multitude of other issues, however this was apparently the most convenient way to create more distance between us and heartbreak for me. I have accepted this finally and have disengaged today.
Elsa says on 6/22/08 at 5:02 am:

Comments recovered - good morning!
Cecilia says on 6/22/08 at 6:52 am:

I am a Virgo through and through and I am always accused of being controlling. Maybe I was at one point but through lots of work on myself and the return of my saturn I no longer am. However the stigma has never left me. I am analytical and I usually do know the best solution. If you have a better one then please share - if it is a better way (which of course I’ll determine) - then I will step down. I have no interest in controlling people - way too much work and what’s in it for me? But there are things I know - don’t you want to know them too?
Constantly being accused of being controlling….by my Scorpio mother.
Scorpio gets my vote.
Loonsounds says on 6/22/08 at 11:54 am:

Yes, Cecilia, Yes I do. Like I said on another thread, it is often a Virgo who has that last missing piece to an important puzzle which would otherwise never reach completion.

It looks like most of the people on this thread agree with you that Virgo energy is not controlling energy, per se.

The world SO needs you guys!
Jessica says on 6/22/08 at 12:10 pm:

I have plenty of Libra and Cancer, and yeah, I know it, gotta hand it to Cardinals for control. My Libra/Cap stepmom and my Cap co-worker are pretty far gone in that area, too.
ewinbee says on 6/22/08 at 12:29 pm:

Lupa’s point definitely seems to rule the day here…

It occurs to me that if a Virgo were to be controlling, they would be VERY VERY good at it. Comprehensively so, with a lot of attention to detail. Therefore a controlling Virgo would be a nightmare to deal with.

(A controlling Gemini could be distracted by shiny objects. Ooo, look, a chicken…)
Lupa says on 6/22/08 at 1:20 pm:

A shiny chicken?

…

Yeah we might be distracted by that.
ewinbee says on 6/22/08 at 1:32 pm:

A shiny chicken. MY BRAIN JUST BROKE FROM THE AWESOMENESS.

*wants a shiny chicken so bad now*
Cilla says on 6/22/08 at 2:44 pm:

I’m a Virgo with a Libra ascendant. I don’t control you, but I can easily talk you into doing what I want. I obsess about being in control of myself though.
Lupa says on 6/22/08 at 2:53 pm:

Chicken.

Shiny chicken!
Lupa says on 6/22/08 at 2:55 pm:

Chicken.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/lupaloo/chicken.jpg

Shiny Chicken
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/lupaloo/shinychicken.jpg
Snapdragon says on 6/22/08 at 2:58 pm:

Ewinbee, you have everyone on a roll :o)

Funny, just never thought of chickens as shiny - when i first read it, i thought it must be some obscure joke.

Geeze, now i guess everyone will get themselves a nice, shiny, chicken. Good Grief. Imagine the racket.

Now look what you’ve started!

Next they’ll be wanting roosters…

There’ll be trouble then.
satori says on 6/22/08 at 3:04 pm:

roosters are always trouble.
::insert-statement-about-always-wanting-roostereuphemism-here::
Snapdragon says on 6/22/08 at 3:29 pm:

Who is the control freak (King, Queen) of the zodiac

umm…chicken?
spinner says on 6/22/08 at 4:10 pm:

Foghorn Leghorn?
Togi says on 6/22/08 at 4:38 pm:

Lots of good comments here. As a virgo i can totally relate to why people think we are controlling but for me, it’s not about control - it’s about efficiency. Why would I want to do something that I can inherently see the flaws in? My way is USUALLY faster, cheaper or more efficient. It pains me to have to waste energy when I don’t have to.

In my experience, Capricorns, Libra’s and Aries are the most controlling although I agree with the comment that it’s probably a behind the scenes mix of stuff that makes someone of any sign a control freak. I think having back end Scorpio is a bad thing because it’s so hard to be aware of your Scorpion traits and fight those black urges.
Dim says on 6/22/08 at 5:04 pm:

@satori:

….
hahahahahahHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA….!!!!
ewinbee says on 6/22/08 at 5:57 pm:

Oh wow what a beautiful chicken!

LUZ THE CHICKEN.

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
spinner says on 6/22/08 at 6:00 pm:

Togi- Good comment. I refer to this as conservation of motion, energy etc. If you are going somewhere you might as well take xyz, right?
Ana says on 6/22/08 at 6:00 pm:

hmm…I don’t see Virgos as controlling, just perfectionist - always looking for the flaws, lol. I have several Virgo/6th house friends, and the best way I’ve learned to get along with them is to ask their advice. They almost always have something useful to contribute. Whenever I want to figure out what is wrong with something, I ask a Virgo and they are right on the money

To control something, you have to be focused on the big picture, where something is headed. The Virgos I know aren’t much into big picture, but focus on details. Capricorn is big picture, planning, establishing order, ensuring security, success. If something doesn’t contribute to this end, Capricorn usually doesn’t care enough to try to control it.

But control freak? That seems to me controlling for the sake of being dominant, having one’s own way. I’d have to say either Aries or Scorpio. Aries loves to be dominant, first, best because it focuses attention on them (and they get to win). Scorpio dominates to have final say, determine the ultimate outcome, have the power to control the ends. Final vote: Scorpio
Snapdragon says on 6/22/08 at 6:05 pm:

Geeze.

I’m starting to feel picked on.
doublecappy says on 6/22/08 at 6:14 pm:

Wow. It just took me like an hour to read through the comments.

Kashmiri, I’m with you - Virgos befuddle.

But I will say that having been engaged to a Virgo, just broken up with one, and now dating a double Virgo . . . what some might think of as controlling (I’m Capricorn Sun), I actually find caring/nurturing/attentive. Like when my Virgo ex would remind me around my time of the month what vitamins to take and that I needed protein. When he kept the house immaculate and couldn’t go to bed with dishes in the sink. Or the ex-Virgo who took 20 minutes to carefully slice a mango in perfect squares.

It must be me, but I appreciate these things.

But, yeah, the new double-Virgo I think is secretly a Leo - closets full of clothes, bright colors, can’t pass a shoe shop or clothes store without him “running in for a sec” - claims he’s “lazy” (though he works 75 hours a week right now) . . . (his Cap rising is appealing). But I’m feeling so much Leo from him. Weird.
Lupa says on 6/22/08 at 6:29 pm:

“Funny, just never thought of chickens as shiny - when i first read it, i thought it must be some obscure joke.”

Snapdragon, Ewinbee and I are just being silly easily distracted Geminis and the idea of shiny chickens seemed pretty funny to me. I googled shiny chicken. *laugh* I do love chickens though.
Loonsounds says on 6/22/08 at 8:06 pm:

Snapdragon, Don’t feel too picked on, cuz while Scorpios may be controlling, they are definitely sexy enough to make up for anything … a thousand times over.
Snapdragon says on 6/22/08 at 9:46 pm:

The guys that check me out seem to think so….
Heh Heh

I don’t know tho, I must have “stay away” written on my forehead.
Snapdragon says on 6/22/08 at 9:49 pm:

Oh, and thanks Loonsounds!

Lupa - I’m ALWAYS looking for a reason to have a good laugh!

Did someone mention The Sound of Music?

“A teaspoon of sugar, helps the medicine go down….” (funny that song goes up and down as well)
Gem says on 6/23/08 at 6:19 am:

Definately the cardinal signs and my good virgo friend who can be a bit controlling has a few planets in libra…
Foxxy says on 6/23/08 at 8:46 am:

Haahhahahaha!!! My brother (virgo) and I used to agree that I could work out the plan and then he got to do the details.

“Tomorrow!” I would say, “We will go to the zoo! You’re wearing xyz! And we will eat before we leave!”.

And then he would come back with “We should have peanut butter sandwiches for breakfast! Because they are more filling! And we should leave at 8am because it will take us an hour to get there and it will get really hot around 12 - 1pm, in the afternoon we will see the monkeys and the bears because the monkeys are indoors (a/c) and the bears area is shady!”

“Right” I would say, “Whatever” “. . . Shiny chicken? Where?”

All the details were negotiable, he just picked out the ones which were best/most sensible. Meanwhile I was in Controoooooool! We still maintain this kind of dynamic, though I hardly ever tell him what to wear
spinner says on 6/23/08 at 5:58 pm:

Foxxy- that is a hoot! Sounds like a good relationship too!
goddess says on 6/24/08 at 8:15 am:

This was really interesting, and I’m shocked to see Virgos get a controlling rap by some overall.

On Libras, they don’t control outright, as that would be completely impolite. Libras disapprove. If you don’t seek their approval and can weather that pursed lip expression, then you’re in the clear.

I have a very strong Virgo and am married to a double Virgo. And we don’t have control issues…with others, that is. Ourselves, yes, we have some pretty tall expectations.

I think Virgos get misunderstood because of their natural desire to help. Virgos also tend to get agitated with things that don’t make sense and wasted energy. It’s uncomfortable for a Virgo to be exposed a mess-particularly in thinking, you know? Virgos want to set things right, and are more than willing to help you do it, if you’re open to the idea. So if a Virgo sees you missing something, s/he may well speak up. If you’re not interested, we may be a little befuddled by your clearly illogical decision, but it’s your life, you know?

I think it sometimes annoys others because we’re so often right. Ha! As I’ve matured, I’ve learned to save my opinion for when I’m asked…usually, at least. And I’ve been called the “reality check queen” by my kids, who say that I can be incredibly annoying with ‘em. But c’mon! It’s not about forcing someone else to do what I think is right. It’s about pointing out what is so very clear to me that someone doesn’t seem to see. It is a gift, although at times unwanted. I have to remind myself that people may not want to see my picture, even if it is sharper and has more accurate detail than theirs.

And my Gemini Moon loves Shiney ANYTHING!
Moni says on 6/24/08 at 9:47 am:

Cancer wins, hands down. Although my Scorp rising does a good job of it, when the right buttons are pushed!
Loonsounds says on 6/24/08 at 3:44 pm:

Whoever came up with the idea to sing “Oh what a beautiful morning…” I got that song stuck in my head this morning or yesterday, and it would not go away Grrrrrrr
Loonsounds says on 6/24/08 at 3:45 pm:

Foxxy, your brother sounds Exactly like my Virgo rising mother. Every detail! But then she has the Aries Moon to kick in that extra punch to say “and this is the way it Will happen.”
llama says on 6/30/08 at 5:46 pm:

I do have difficulty with Virgo sometimes. I appreciate that someone needs to be efficient. It’s just when they think that someone needs to be ME. Just because they value efficiency doesn’t mean I do. But I do see that they’re just trying to help, and they are just so good at the things they do that I can’t help but admire them.

I have a shitload of Cardinal planets. Just do NOT boss me around. There’s only one boss of me, and that’s ME!