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Open Question: No Birth Time - How Do You Rectify A Chart
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Dear Elsa,
If you know someone’s birthday but don’t know the exact birth time, are there any techniques one can use for trying to make an educated guess for when it might be? Would their first impression indicate their ascendant or their midheaven, i.e. public face?
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Studying - I have rectification skills at all. This is probably because I am so metaphysically minded I feel whatever I am supposed to have will be provided. No slur on anyone else, I am just the type to work with whatever is on hand so have never developed in this area.
That said, if I was going to do this I would probably forget first impressions outside of the physical appearance which I think is probably the most reliable marker of the rising sign.
For example, Sagittarius or Jupiter rising (like me) almost always has an overbite. Moon or Cancer rising almost always has a round face, etc.
So I would start there, narrow things down to a rising sign or two or three and then twist the chart around until the planets in the houses made sense but like I said, I would never do this. It is a “math-person” pursuit and even if I live to be 100 years old, I will never find time for that.
Anyone else? How do you go about rectifying a chart?
93 Responses to “Open Question: No Birth Time - How Do You Rectify A Chart”
Uh…Jupiter rising, as in you have the planet on the ascendant? I thought it was the first-house sign that was supposed to influence the looks rather than the planet(s) in the house.
I always have a hard time with this one. I tend to guess more on a person’s personality than I do with how they look, mainly because I don’t look like my ascendant and definitely more like my sun sign, and whether or not you “look” like a particular sign seems to be a matter of interpretation anyway. I guess on personality, then I do the same thing about twisting the chart around until it makes sense.
Jessica - I dunno. I like puzzles but not this brand, I guess. And yes a planet conjunct the ascendant modifies it and I am a perfect example.
Pretty jolly for Cap rising, wouldn’t you say? Dimples, overbite, distinctive thighs, throw my head back when I laugh… these things are jupitarian not Cap.
To rectify, first I look at the the time it is right now and put that in as the birth chart, if it makes sense I start to go with that. If that chart doenst talk to me, I look at whole signs, put 0° of the Sun sign on the Ascendant, to get a sense of things. If Saturn is in their 2nd, and they are happy-go-lucky with money, then I start to rotate the wheel until I find something with Sagittarius going on with money. If nothing works, then I go back to the solar chart again and think about the person’s life.
Are they going through a divorce, did they just fall in love, are they in university, do they have kids, etc. I ask them if they ever had a big accident or had a crisis or changed religions. I ask them when they got married. If you have been doing astrology for a while, you can remember how it is to have Saturn transit the angles and then you can imagine which angle was the last transit for that person. Are they really tired and in therapy for the first time of their whole life? Maybe Saturn is on the ascendant. It’s crazy I know, I have no real logic. I do find, the longer you know the person the more you will hone in on it.
You can also get someone with a pendulum to help…
Distinctive THIGHS? I love it. I’m quite sure you do.
Totally makes sense, it was not a rulership I knew. I just love the saucy description. “These thighs? Yeah, they’re distinctive.” 
Well, that was a Jupiter joke, for sure.
Actually I was serious but not to worry. To quote my sister, “The last thing a man wants to see is your ass walkin’ away.”
(Leaving them, this is - another Jupiter rising trait)
Elsa and Jessica are both right. If you just want the general sign rising, it’s more of a puzzle, if you want the degree rising (out of 360), we are getting ito numbers.
I like your approach for the general sign, Dierdre, you then look at transits on the chart, correct? With your mention of Saturn in the 2nd, for example, I know some who are careless with money but another manifestation of this position is that one always has to work hard for the money that they have, be it lots or little.
In one branch of astrology I study, one can fairly quickly derive a Rising Sign by finding out (or by noticing) where is the most major scar mole or birthmark is, on the body. Like, something you were born with, something from childhood, or something that is the worst (or biggest, etc.)
A prominent scar on the face would be Aries, a mark, mole or something in the neck area Taurus, scar or mark on the foot Pisces, sholders or hands, Gemini, breasts, upper stomach, Cancer, pelvic region or genitals, Scorpio, I think Sag is the glut max and upper thighs, Libra, the area over the kidneys and spleen, Leo, the back, and the upper chest area (heart region), Aquarius the ankles, Capricorn the legs. And Virgo is the area between the solar plexis down to, like the kidney area.
For people with late degrees rising in their sign, this should work because you will have the same rising sign in both branches. Like, I have Pisces rising in both branchs, and my most major mark is from a horrendous injury to the bottom of my left foot.
But if you have fewer than 24 degrees rising in your western sign, your scar or mark may be in the preceeding sign.
Surely you do not mean your own ass, Elsa, so is it the soldier to whom you are referring? (KIDDING) smile smile smile!
Yea, men don’t like to see the woman’s ass walkin away because when she goes, her pussy goes with her!
Oopsie, that’s wrong, I forgot, the soldier is a rhino.
The birthmark method is interesting. I have a birthmark on my upper right thigh. I’m a Taurus rising. I have Jupiter conjunct the ascendant, barely in the first house. Jupiter rules Sagittarius. So in my case, Jupiter may trump the rising sign for the birthmark placement.
I did have a mole on near my lips that was removed many years ago.
And, I do have a big butt..
That is interesting, Sue Ellen, and lol on the butt. According to me (and for myself, and a tough battle) big butt is better than …
Yes Loonsounds, thats what I meant, that I look at the transits and timing. oh yeah and scars, I have always felt like someone could do a knee-reading on me — Capricorn ascendant, my left knee could tell stories.
Hmmmmm…I’ve got this happening too between Jupiter and Saturn. My ascendant is exactly 0 degrees capricorn if we went by my published birthtime, and I gotta say I’ve had a pretty darn saturnian time of things in my life. However: I am five foot ten, broadshouldered, dark hair that goes reddish, big teeth and an overbite, and have lived the life of a semivagabond — well actually a secret vagbond because there’s this thing in my family about keeping up appearances.
I think you look cappy because of your dark eyes and hair, but because of the other things you mentioned maybe there actually is an ascendant cusp in some cases.
I had a birthmark on my lower back, now removed, but I am definitely not a Leo. Gemini rising, 29th degree though, so cusp of Cancer rising. Lots of hand, arm and shoulder issues. I’m wiry built, walk and talk fast, use my hands to illustrate everything, and can’t keep still. I love puzzles, and words in any form. And of course the mischievious Gemini twinkle in the eyes :p
I do look Capricorn as in I have very good posture and control of my body. My sister (also Cap rising) is a dancer as many dancers are. She can make her body do whatever and we became aware of this.
“Put your foot over your head.”
“Okay.”
::smiles::
Just check my double Cap grandfather standing on his head on top a mountain when he’s 80 years old. That ought to resolve the Capricorn in my family question.
go with my gut and see whether events in their life line up with house transits.
i have moles on my face and moles on my back, but nothing between the solar plexus and kidneys 
(i guess the back is leo which precedes my middle virgo ascendant but this makes no sense to me.)
i also have venus, uranus, mercury, neptune, and jupiter in some aspect to my ascendant so it doesn’t do me much good with myself (too many signals) but i can with others, sometimes.
Interesting…I have Mars rising (below horizon) and no one has EVER told me I look like an Aries, but I DO have a distinctive mole between my eyebrows (!) and one on my cheekbone.
Aquarius rising at 13 degrees and I have a noticeable scar on my right shin. What rules the shins? Is this reasonable?
My dude has a Libra rising at 26 degrees and when he gets home from work, we are examining his torso.
Love this, I always try to guess people’s rising signs, just for fun.
With a great deal of difficulty. Sorry I don’t recommend pendulums and body types as a way of adjusting the ascendant. Techniques that do have some merits are Age Harmonics, solar arc directions and family dynamic charts. There is no easy way unfortunately, and it requires gathering important life info from your chart person. I would say the going price for rectification should be about $1500 and take a good six months.
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Loonsounds, that’s very interesting. My ascendant is Pisces (6.49), when I was very young I O.D.’d on sleeping pills from my mom’s purse. I have a scar just above my right ankle - something to do with being brought back to life. But that’s not my foot, nor is is the most noticeable thing. Probably the mole right under my nose is the most obvious. Have no Aries though.
Also, my Sun, Venus and Mars are all in aspect to my rising sign. What then?
Heh, I have no scars on my genitalia (and I shudder to think how my life would be going if I did…). Moles on my face are as close as it gets to anything noticeable.
OK see this makes me wonder what a Gemini rising is supposed to look like. And if that Saturn sitting on top of it is going to make a difference? What about my sun wedged in there?
Now I gotta go research.
I’ve Sag Rising and have an overbite, LOL:)
Just to add to the statistics;)
Leo rising (male, obv) is supposed to go bald early and it’s true in my experience. So when the hairline is receeding and the emphasis is no longer on hairstyle, notice the eyebrows; they tend to be very impressive:)
And yeah, I have very strong legs. I love hiking in the woods and can outlast most women, at least. Moon in Taurus, too. I come from a long line of farmers, heh…
Snapdragon, the ankle scar makes perfect sense. Remember I said that if your Rising Sign is less than 24 degrees, then the scar might be in the area described by the previous sign? See your Asc. is 6.49 which is less than 24 degrees. So the scar or mark will often fall back to the sign before Pisces, which happens to be Aquarius, which rules the ankles.
Jennifer, LOL. Scars to the pelvic region or near the genitalia are not the end of the world, by no means. I had a radical hysterectomy at a fairly young age due to massive endometriosis, and nowadays they make it into a beautiful little scar, about two inches long, which is right under the top of the hairline. And even then it fades to barely noticeable.
Anyway, this approach of looking at marks and so forth is only one of all the wonderful approaches mentioned above. It is much much easier to try to determine a rising sign if the person has an approximate time of birth like they sometimes do. You know, “mom said I was born sometime during the afternoon.” “Dad said he had to leave work in the morning when I was born.” or “They say I was born in the wee hours of the morning.” But when you have Nothing to go on, and really want to know, maybe you could try some of all of the above.
Yup, I’m on it. I just went and looked. OMG my hair is so so so short there!
This is was very interesting and I have another question similar to this. I was wondering when doing charts & readings for someone who doesnt know their birth time should you continue to make a guess for their reading or is better not to guess work with what is accurate leaving out houses and ASC discussion in the reading?
Anyways back to the disccusion, its interesting looking at moles and scars for ASC guessing but I have a promient scar down my chest from heart surgery and im a pisces ASC not a Leo. I do have great feet for dancing though (ballet esp cos of my high arch)
Funny about the Cap ASC. My sister is a Cap ASC with Jupiter Rising. She is a dancer, has great posture, always laughing and smiling and has a great ass. In fact guys have literally stop her and say to her “Please rewind that walk” Its harilous.
which one are you Loonsounds?
It’s embarassing, so try not to look at the stupid ridiculous hair which is like, one inch long. But in the category Pisc rising, Taurus sun, Leo moon, I am the one with the eh….Very short hair (I think I am the middle one of the three of us.)
Whoa, heart surgery? That’s serious, scary stuff! I saw a scar like that one time, it was very long, right down the center of the chest. As Pisces rising, you have Leo ruling the 6th house of health, right? Me too. Leo is heart, of course, 6th health (among other things) .. I do have concerns as heart stuff runs in my family. How did you find out about yours? I am afraid to have an echo. They alreay said I have an abnormal EKG because quote “we don’t know why, you just do.”
Onto the other matter, the only thing I can resort to on the theory (which certainly did not originate with me, but which I like working with, the marks and etc.) is that your feet have something unusual about them, namely the high arches. I know, I know, that’s lame.
How cute! was that pic taken very long ago? I’m a little nervous about having my picture on a website like that
Well thanks, that’s sweet! That picture is from about 2 or 3 years back. I’m working on a myspace which will have more current stuff (because as of now, I have two domains and I can’t find any of them due to lost passwords and outdated info. where are the Virgos when I need one? ;-))
So if a person wanted to share their pic (but not necessarily with the general masses) do you know how they should go about it?
Did I miss Loonsounds pic? Snap - if you want me to see it send it or send a link! askelsa at gmail
Elsa Loonsounds was saying that her picture is on the website i posted a link to!
Hers is teh middle pic in the pisces rising, tauraus sun, leo moon category.
And its a wonderful pic of you Loonsounds! i like it.
yeah, you’re a beauty!
some of my former hairstyles are notably cringeworthy. I can’t stand to see them in pics now.
I have a wee crush on the piscessun, cappymoon, librarising guy pictured on that site. ::rollseyes::
I looked at the two examples of my sun/moon/ac and while they don’t look like each other, we all three share some distinct facial characteristics! weird!
do you actually know this guy, Satori?
Unfortunately they don’t have any Scorpio Sun, Taurus Moon, Pisces Asc. pics up for me to compare myself to…
what do you think Elsa (only if you’re not too busy) do I look like my signs?
oh hells no… I think it was a matter of “take some narcissism, add a libra face, shake well…” heh.
Yeah I want to see other Gemini/Scorpio/Scorpios but I’m the only one with that combo.
Satori I love your ability to crush on a random face.
oh yeah, fictional or animated characters too!
when you’re celibate for long periods of time imagination is essential! 
(thanks!)
i’m with you on that one Satori!!
Oh, you guys are so totally sweet! I am shocked that anyone can see past that hideously absurd haircut which my last ex (the LEO, naturally) would never let me get it cut again. “Cringe-worthy” that is the perfect expression for it Satori. And I Really cringe to remember how long I had it just like that, more or less, but I cut it myself (obviously) and boy, I got pretty damn carried away with the bangs around the time of that pic. EW!
You guys, it’s easy to submit one, and there is no name attached to it, go ahead, why not? Might be kinda fun.
Loonsounds you look totally cute! I wouldnt worry about the haircut at all.
Yes you’re right I have Leo ruling the 6th house like you. I was born with an rare heart condition and Having a irregular EKG is ok, dont let it alarm you. I think the best thing you can do if you’re worried is to ask your doctor and just have regular yearly check ups. Plus Leo ruling the 6th house can mean lots of different things.
Satori you have me in stiches…. I can crush fictional characters and such I think its a pisces/neptune thing… Fantasy Fantasy Fantsy lalalala
Loonsounds and Skye, I have Pisces rising as well. Jupiter in Leo. My heart seems to pump a little weird on a fairly regular basis….
Snapdragon and Skye, since Leo rules 6, maybe a lot depends on placement and condition of the Sun. My sun is in the 2nd in Taurus conjunct Merc. That pair is opposed Saturn in the 8th, and then the Moon in Leo makes a T square. So the sun, in my chart, is affected by the opp. from saturn and the square from the Moon, plus, I don’t the firey sun much likes being in earthy Taurus.
Then, looking at the sun placement, 2nd house rules over a lot of different things, voice and speaking voice being one (as opposed to what one actually says), self esteem another, and earned income from employment a third.
Health wise, I always had to work on self esteem & it still comes and goes(mental health), I am not very much NOT bringing in earned income, (but I am lucky in inheritances and things like that, eighth house). I cannot sing for shit (voice). And I have a definite speech impediment, but it comes and goes depending on the state of my nerves and so forth.
I think it would be an interesting thread and I may suggest it as an open question, but snap and skye, can you tell me the placement of your sun and whether or not it takes hits from hard planets? I’d be interested in hearing this for all pisces risings.
Ummm, Loonsounds this is a little advanced for me (and I am just about to walk out the door) but I can tell you that my sun is in Scorpio.
My sun is in the 8th house. Sun conjunct Venus, sextile Mars, square Jupiter, trine Ascendant. Also sun square Juno. I guess it aspects a lot of planets. I look them up individually, but I have a hard time understanding it as a whole.
P.S. What are hard planets, and hits from them?
See Snapdragon, it was not too advanced for you, you answered all my questions! I don’t know much about those…I forget what you call them, Juno, actually, nothing, so maybe you are actually more advanced than me! ;-).
I consider the harder or more challenging planets to be Mars, Saturn, all of the outer planets, especially Pluto, and both Nodes of the Moon. Many will not agree with me about the nodes, that is my own view.
Hits from them, by my def, would be conjunctions, oppositions or squares especially with tight orbs (very close by degree) and applying toward one another, Like Moon 12 degrees Sag conjunct Saturn 15 degrees Sag Retrograde. See, they are only 3 degrees apart, and they mutually apply, the moon moves toward saturn, and saturn toward the moon.
Oh no, Loonsounds. I only managed to answer all your questions because I have it all written down. (it’s getting messier by the day, with all my notes here and there!)
My North Node is in Taurus, South is in Scorpio. I think I just added a link, so if you want to see what I look like, or check out my chart, you should be able to. When was your pic. taken, Loonsounds?
http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/scorpioeyes_01/astro_w2gw_01_michele_hp.gif
This should be the photo of me. http://i278.photobucket.com/albums/kk109/scorpioeyes_01/Photo126.jpg
Snapdragon- at least you know which questions to ask. I don’t know where to start!
I do Spinner?!!! I am feeling so lost and out of sorts this weekend. Life after my relationship ended (almost 3 years ago) just doesn’t seem to be working out quite like I expected it to… Guess I just would really like someone in my life right now, and that doesn’t seem to be happening. K, i’ll just take a moment and suck it up. :o(
Spinner, that can’t be right? Didn’t you say that you were 53, but that pic was only taken 2 or 3 years ago? Somethings not adding up…
Snapdragon- I am 47. I haven’t posted a picture. Is there a bizzaro world elsa blog that I am only vaguely aware of?
So my mom wanted to find out her birthtime tonight, but her birth certificate doesn’t say the time. Nor does my dad’s (they were both born 1946). Is this common (in the States?) when did they start putting birth times on records? I wonder if there’s a way we can call the hospital and see if it’s on record - doubt it.
Sorry Spinner - little mistake there. Actually meant Loonsounds.
Snapdragon, Thanks for letting me see your photo, you are cute, cute cute cute, so cute! Love the look with the glasses, you are quite young yourself, yes? I just glanced at your chart, not sure if the year was posted. You have the mystic rectangle, cool!
OK, let me try to get more precise on how old that photo is, I was just estimating but I can figure it out. I was in between San Diego and San Francisco, on a road trip. That would have been February of hmmmm… (wheels spinning in head as math trys to happen)2003 or 2004…lets just say 03, and so I would have been 48 in that photo. And now I just turned 53 in Feb. So it is actually 5 years old and 3 months, oops! My bad or what?
I’ll link a current photo soon, I can still pull off looking much much younger than I am in photos and I’m told I look younger than my age in real life.
Actually, it was Spinner told me that LOL :-). But also remember the Neptune Rising feature. I have read (and it is certainly true in my case) that Neptune rising people don’t quite ever photograph true to how they really look in person.
They either look a lot worse than in real life, or a lot better. My photos go half one way, half the other so naturally I pick the best one to post on http://www.astrofaces.com (or anywhere else) … at least the best one, as I saw it at the time, and the ridiculous hair notwithstanding.
Oh and by the way (Taurus sun) in that photo I was sitting right in front of a plate of those fluffy belgain waffles with all kinds of sugary fruits and whipped cream all over the thing, getting ready to dig in, so I was, like, especially happy ;-).
No way 48! Now I need to go back and look. Not sure how close I looked but sort of thought late 20’s?
Thanks for the compliments. My photo was taken maybe this Jan. and I am 42 - not so young?!!! Seems to me that somewhere in my chart it says that I should look younger than I am… And of course I pick the best picture (they’re all the best, right?!!! LOL)
That meal sounds deeeeelish!
What’s the mystic triangle?
No problem Snapdragon. Loonsounds is right, you are cute!
LOL mystic Rectangle, not mystic triangle, that sounds scary, as if one could get lost in ones own life. Actually, it is almost a double mystic rectangle. From what little I have read about it, I have heard that it is a very spiritual configuration.
And, listen up, you look about 15 years younger than your age too! We need not be surprised, 40’s and 50’s sounds so old when we are young, but it comes before you know it and lots of people age well. I have heard that at highschool reunions the women tend to look way better than the men but I don’t know. I have not been to one yet.
Yes, I think there are astro things that can make people look a lot younger than they are. Venus in the 1st house is supposed to cut you a little luck in appearence, and maybe that is my saving grace, but I had really crooked overbite teeth and a big space between the two front teeth, so orthodontia helped also.
Oh, guys be sure to check the stats on http://www.faces.com too, that is an interesting section. Pisces rising, Aquarius rising, Aries rising, and Taurus rising are all .05 and .06 percent of the population with all of the other signs being higher, some going up to 12 percent. It has to do with daylight or something. So we are rarer. Do you feel rare?
I do, I feel rare in the sense that I relate to this song part of which goes, “I’m a freak, I’m a wierdo, what am I doing here, I don’t belong here.”
Snapdragon- I am sorry you are feeling lost. My Mom taught me a song when I was 4 or 5. I am sure that you have heard it. It helps to sing it if you are having a shaky day. ‘ Oh what a beautiful morning, Oh what a beautiful day, I have this wonderful feeling, everything is going my way.’I know it sounds corny, but it really works.
Check out this site too.
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm
I met this fellow in person. It is about the power of sound and music to affect the vibration of water and by extension every molecule and atomic structure. Amazing stuff really. When I attended his lecture he had us all sing Eidelweiss. It was beautiful!
Isn’t that from Mary Poppins or something? >~<-)
Loonsounds- I think that you are right. emoto showe us pictures of water crystals that had been exposed to the word love versus crystals that had been exposed to the word hate. He showed us pictures of water crystals that had been exposed to punk rock versus beethovens symphony etc. The differences were startling. If what he talks about is true, you might want to get a new song than I am a freak, I am a wierdo. hahahaha. I am too but, I am not going to sing it out loud.
Elsa- PS That’s what I love about you!
Elsa, I checked out that link and loved it. Especially the part about, “yesterday, perhaps I thought I had a clue..” Wow, that’s me in a nutshell! Think I’m going to clip it, if that’s alright (it’s worth saving)
Thanks Spinner. Sometimes my emotions get the better of me - it’s tough being a Scorpio, Pisces rising. Way too emotional. It’s really true, about absorbing energy (emotions, whatever) from around you. Even just how the sun is weird around here right now….
Snapdragon- Are you taking a Blog vacation?
No Spinner, I’m here. Not usually during the day, cause I’m working. And not usually til after I put the kids to bed at 9:00.
This blog!! By the time you finish reading all the posts…. I don’t know how Elsa keeps up with everything (and as we all know, this blog isn’t all she does!)
Loonsounds, your picture shocked me. I don’t know why…in a good way though! Thank you for pointing out the Neptune/12th/Rising connection–maybe that’s why in some of my pictures I feel like I look very unlike myself. Snapdragon, yours caught me by surprise, as well! I felt like I knew you instantly. Yours is a very warm and lovely face.
Just for fun–here’s a picture of me and some family members (I’m in the top right: Taurus Sun/ Capricorn Moon/ Sagittarius ASC):
http://chrispito.blogspot.com/2008/05/random-friends-with-pluto.html
Oh yeah…I’m bald in it but have hair now (it was taken about 5 mos. ago)
oh sorry to post back so late Loonsounds. To answer your question my sun is in scorpio in the 8th the same as snapdragon which is really weird!
My sun is apart of a very tight stellium cojuncting pluto, venus and saturn which all square my moon. Hope that helps you.
I cant believe the both of you are in your 40s I seriously thought late 20’s early 30s Great photos!
Loonsounds, Snapdragon and Kashmiri -thanks for posting your pictures! You all look great! I feel like I could invite you over for a cup of coffee or a drink and we could talk for hours.
Elsa- I have been trying to post a picture from my prehistoric home computer of me in Mexico and I can’t seem to make it work. I think I can e-mail picture of myself that was taken for work though. What is your e-mail address? If I send it to you could you post it here?
Don’t know if anyone matches up on here, but I just read (and responded to) a post on Seduction Central about Uranus and Pluto in the 7th House. I think at least some of you know about the Scorpio Sun guy that I have been interested in. Oh my gosh, the whole thing is right there! It matches me like perfectly.
I just get nervous when I think that someone is going to tell me, “Oh it’s just this that or the other happening, it’s not going to last!”
Spinner - a coffee would be great! Anyone else up for one?!!! ;o)
Looking forward to seeing a picture of you…
Thanks Skye!
Kashmiri, you are so funny, and you’re picture reflects that (I just went back and looked at it again). For the heck of it: I am Pluto trine Moon
:o)
sorry if i was not clear? hahahahaha
So how would you account for planets in the 1st house? For example I believe my birth time is right (mostly) because it’s not on the hour/half hour/quarter hour/ or rounded. I’m a Cancer rising with Jupiter in Leo retrograde in the 1st house. I have a round face, a tendency toward fat (always have had a belly since puberty, have rolls now) and I have a slight overbite.
I’m curious as to how you’d rectify charts. For example I have the noon chart of a guy who’s a hyperactive yelly publishing machine who has a c.v. the size of a novella and who has 4 cell phones for himself.He’s tall and skinny and runs half marathons for fun. I was thinking Mercury on one of the angles or in the 3rd or 6th house (because mercury is in virgo)
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Is it for a math person, or a puzzle person? Because my Gemini moon (I think) likes puzzles. And I have tried this trick with a couple charts. But only people who are near someone I know very well. I picked the right birthdate (out of a 3-day range, before he knew) for his mom because he had this lifelong attraction to Libras (with no other reason in his chart) and only on this date did his mom have a Moon-Venus conjunction in Libra (he’s a Cancer, so go figure with the mom thing). And I think I’ve rectified his ex-wife’s chart because it gives her a 7th-house Sun/Moon and Gem rising, which fits. But these are just *puzzles* for the fun of figuring them out, or the fun of guessing. And I have to gather clues over time.