Open Question: Can Scorpio / Plutonian Intense Relationships Last Or Do They Die By Their Nature?

25 Responses to “Open Question: Can Scorpio / Plutonian Intense Relationships Last Or Do They Die By Their Nature?”

1. Lupa says on 6/7/08 at 7:13 am:
   

   I think that people who have that kind of energy natally are going to have an easier time rising to the challenge of a relationship that emphasizes the 8th house/Pluto aspects. I think most people live somewhere in the middle between the very intense and the very shallow. And I most definitely agree with Elsa that there are positive and negative ways to manifest this.

2. goddess says on 6/7/08 at 10:59 am:
   

   They wouldn’t just die necessarily; if the right energy was being expressed, they’d also be reborn regularly. You can’t forget the Phoenix quality, you know?

   My understanding (admittedly limited) is that my husband and I have lots of Pluto energy in our relationship, and that rings true for me. We have an intense connection, and have gone through periods of stress where the relationship has had types of blowups and restructuring, but whatever was blowing up was always something that wasn’t serving, and the replacement was always something that was better. we’ve been together a long time, and have gone through this process a few times now. it’s not a lot of fun in process, but you come out from a place of renewed vitality when you’re through.

   oddly enough, we’ve also been the “go-to” couple for friends and family going through a divorce. we’ve helped support several folks during the process. some ended up divorcing and some ended up returning to the relationship. but there is always a death and rebirth involved, obviously.

3. SaDiablo says on 6/7/08 at 3:13 pm:
   

   I’d have to agree with goddess. Except for the advice aspect (this hasn’t happened in our social circle yet), my relationship pretty much follows what she said. Even though there’s been periods of intense internal stress and strife, it’s always lead to a solution that’s better than what we had before. Both of us feel a bone-deep connection and work to make each other stronger. All of which, incidentally, brings us closer!
   We’ve been together seven years so far.

   Individually, we both have some Plutonian energy — I have Pluto-Mars-Venus conjunct, trine Moon in the 8th; he has a stellium in Scorpio, rising. And in the composite we have another Pluto-Mars-Venus conjunction, with Pluto in the first.

4. june says on 6/7/08 at 3:14 pm:
   

   I have moon in scorpio conjunct pluto, opposite venus in 8th. I’ve pretty much had my fair share of “intense” relationships. To a degree in a certain perspective, I prefer them. Still, I can only take so much intensity for so long. A person needs a break once in a while.

5. goddess says on 6/7/08 at 7:03 pm:
   

   SaDiablo…maybe you still have a few years to go. We’ve been together almost 19. And each of us has fairly solid Plutos as well. He’s a Scorp rising, matter of fact.

6. Michele says on 6/7/08 at 8:24 pm:
   

   I have Pluto in the 7th house, Neptune sextile Pluto, Uranus conjunct Pluto, Moon trine Pluto, and Saturn opposite Pluto.

   Does this mean i’m likely to have a Plutonian relationship, is this a lot of Pluto in my chart?

   Just wondering if anyone would mind responding…
   (trying to understand this stuff…)

7. Kingsley says on 6/7/08 at 8:56 pm:
   

   All relationships go through a period where the attachment-dependency factor peaks. That means for intensity in the relational attachment like during the honeymoon phase. To keep that peak going rather than coming down the other side towards interdependance will require all manner of means to keep it “up” there. Plutonian contacts are going to find a way to do that or instead to transcend them.

   Some relationships (serial monogamy) creat a constant honeymoon phase with different partners. Others will use devices to break down the attachment in order to rekindle the intensity, such as make up love after a fight. The make up love is a very scorpionic, “rising from the ashes” kind of relationship which can be a roller coaster ride. Like with taking drugs this kind of attachment process gets tiring after a while and it does seem that relationships mature and develop into other forms after some time together.

   kingsley

8. Des says on 6/7/08 at 10:06 pm:
   

   i dunno, i think that plutonian relationships are what they are because of the very nature of pluto, and what it draws into your life. Basically anything that is unusual in some way, and this can either be intensly good! or intensly bad. I guess it would be hard to describe these experiences as they are often of a secrative nature.

9. Rox says on 6/8/08 at 6:37 am:
   

   Unless the pluto type (me) is hooked up with a non-pluto type (hubby). See this is “exactly” what I want.. the deep, intense, pluto relationship. Honestly I dont know why anyone bothers with anything less? Its difficult to be with someone who - in my opinon - wants to settle for less.

10. Debsy says on 6/8/08 at 8:03 am:
    

    Hey I have a good idea!
    I am just learning astrology and sometimes it is hard for me to follow exactly what you mean.
    Scorpio/Plutonian
    Does that mean someone who has pluto in scorpio +/or pluto in the 8 th house.

    I am involved with a scorpio moon and not sure of the rest but it really has been a bumpy ride. By the way Els he was a special ops commander too!

11. Elsa says on 6/8/08 at 8:12 am:
    

    Debsy - it would refer to anyone with prominent Scorpio, emphasis on the 8th house, lots of planets in aspect to Pluto, Pluto in the 7th, Venus in aspect to pluto.. um, many ways to come up with the energy.

    On your new man - if he is anywhere near the soldier’s age I am sure they know each other… there are just not that many SF soldiers or at least it used to be that way. They produce a lot more now then they did then. I can’t remember the count off the top of my head but it was something along the line of 5 0r 8 times as many as back in his day. They have relaxed standards, expanded the program I guess you could say.

12. SaDiablo says on 6/8/08 at 8:46 am:
    

    Goddess - I’m sure you’re right, and I’m not sure how I feel about that. *wry grin*

13. goddess says on 6/8/08 at 11:45 am:
    

    michele - (disclaimer-i’m waaaaay amatuer astrology student level), but YES, with 7th house pluto, i don’t see how your relationships could be anything but Plutonian-intense and transforming, and probably sometimes quite emotional with your moon connection. the uranus would suggest to me to expect surprises, unusual or atypical pairings.

    the neptune and saturn could probably express in different ways - ok, well, anything can express in different ways - but i would be wary of a tendency to merge with your s.o. or sacrifice yourself too much in relationship, and would expect you to need to work specifically at processing the sometimes intense emotional factors and keeping yourself grounded in relationship. for what it’s worth…

14. goddess says on 6/8/08 at 11:56 am:
    

    SaDiablo- You know, I have to say that, as weird as it sounds, supporting folks going through that has really been an enriching experience. Not that I enjoy other people’s pain. But it’s really cool to see people move out of that and come to a better place, too.

    My husband and I were actually talking about this last night, and he was saying when he sees someone going through it, it’s like he feels compelled to help. Not wants to be helpful, but feels driven.

    “Hey, I’ve got this part of Hell mapped already! May I assist? Here, let me light the torch.”

    Friends have also said that our own intense connection has been comforting for them through the process. Reassuring, I guess. Because our connection is both viseral and palpable. We both have strong Earth energy and with the Plutonian energy in force, it makes for a powerful pairing.

15. Michele says on 6/8/08 at 11:58 am:
    

    Thanks Goddess.

    I think I found Elsa’s blog because I was trying to understand this guy that I have been interested in.

    Boy is it wonky. I think we’re getting all the shit out of the way before we get to the good stuff!!!

    He’s a Scorpio as well, and I’m thinking he must be a Capricorn Venus. That’s all I know, so far.

    Everything I check out about him is a perfect match. As a Scorpio he has that dark intensity in his gaze, and he has a great sense of style. If his Venus really is in Capricorn, it makes perfect sense, cause I’m wondering if we are ever gonna make it off the ground…

    Btw, he did say that I was too much… (however he keeps coming around for more)(course I’m having just as much trouble leaving him alone)

    And does a 17 year (ouch, and yes this is reflected in my chart) age difference qualify as “unusual or atypical” pairing? LOL He’ll be 27 soon. People have guessed my age at 26 to early thirty’s, so we don’t look too odd together (he said age doesn’t really matter) (well, not yet, anyway, eh?)

16. Michele says on 6/8/08 at 12:01 pm:
    

    Great post, Goddess! #14

    Especially your husbands comment.

17. goddess says on 6/8/08 at 12:03 pm:
    

    michele-the age difference would be one expression of the saturn energy, as well as possibly the uranus, yeah. if you are the older one, i would avoid mothering him.

18. Michele says on 6/8/08 at 12:11 pm:
    

    I’m laughing Goddess :oP

    There’s no chance of that. I offered to make him dinner some night. Boy, he shut me right down! (and I know it wasn’t about dinner!)

    Nope, he has every intention of being the leader, and honestly I want him to take that position (unless I was to see him going way off course, I guess)

19. Togi says on 6/8/08 at 1:39 pm:
    

    Every 2nd post lately just screams at me Elsa and this is another one. Sun conjunct Pluto, Scorpio rising, Moon trine Pluto, Uranus conjunct Pluto, Pluto in the 9th…I think this means I am a Pluto person. It’s been six months since my pluto-intense relationship ended & I am still hungering. I am not sure how to get beyond it until I meet someone else with the same other worldy intensity. Everything else is just so unsatisfying and meaningless. I have a great need for this energy in my life. I do feel like a ship without a rudder sometimes but I am trying to mobilize my personal power to sublimate those emotions into positive changes for me now. It’s not easy.

20. Debsy says on 6/8/08 at 4:56 pm:
    

    Hi Elsa,

    He is not new he is the Leo and you have his chart! Imagine that!
    He is 42 and was special ops starting in 88, he was a sniper too.

    I just love learning astrology, it is so complicated. Thanks for the info.
    Debsy

21. Debsy says on 6/8/08 at 4:58 pm:
    

    p.s. lots of planets for this guy will call him BOBO. Bobo has a full 12th house and I find that interesting since you have to be so stealthy in S.O. Moon in scorpio, do they read their charts before they let them in? Now theres a career for you!

22. Elsa says on 6/8/08 at 5:29 pm:
    

    Debsy - I think I know who you mean (the chart) but my soldier does not know who yours is with this bit of info although he says if he was around in ‘88, they probably know each other.

    Also, the chart I am looking at only has two (outer) planets in the 12th so I just don’t know. It’s all very code!!

23. SaDiablo says on 6/8/08 at 8:35 pm:
    

    That is an awesome comment, goddess! I’ll try and keep that p.o.v. foremost if/when I deal with that situation.
    Your hubby sounds veeerrrry “with it.”

24. Michele says on 6/8/08 at 8:54 pm:
    

    I’m not sure I accurately expressed myself:

    Thank you so much for the info, Goddess!

    Anything that makes it easier to see through the haze…. :o)

25. Snapdragon says on 6/12/08 at 11:05 pm:
    

    I just counted on my fingers, and as someone that likes the truth, the age difference is fifteen years. Sounds marginally better! LOL

    Why is it “fine” for this age if the man is older? Why does it seem so unbalanced if the female is older?

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