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Saturn In Virgo Forces Cold Hard Look At My Writing
Astrology in real life
I have come to the conclusion that I am going to eventually piss everyone off. I just don’t think it is possible to write as much as I do without having this occur. If you aren’t pissed now, eventually you will be which leaves some questions:
What am I to do about it?
Is the benefit worth the cost?
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I feel that you care a great deal about helping people. You now give all your time to follow this calling with your astrology work and this blog. The outcome of all this energy you pour into this is: People are being helped. You teach, you share, you respond.
I think that speaks volumes right there.
You never to seem to care about what people think about you. You do the right thing.
You may piss people off. Who cares?
If you pissed me off (which you never have), so what?
I know that you have something to offer, something one hundred percent filled with good purpose and intention.
There it is, then.
Elsa, today is a today where if I could bite someone’s head off, I would. I really would. But not yours.
Cassi - thank you. I think I do care what people think, I just don’t have the ability to compromise my integrity. It is very simple, I would rather die.
Moni - thank you as well but this doesn’t have to do with today. I have been talking to friends about this all week long. There is this arc and people follow it. You can tell when they get some kind of itch about me and the course is predicable at that point. They are going down the chute like so many before them.
I have been writing online daily since 2000. Do you know how many times I have seen this? It is like a disease. People catch it and then they die. Though there has been a focus on this recently, I have been aware of it for a long time. I call it “the bug” behind the scenes.
“He/She’s got the bug. Hope they recover…”
“They rarely do.”
“I know.”
I love your writing. Whether I understand it or agree with you all the time is kind of irrelevant. If we were all clones and had the same wiring in our brains that made us all think the same way and agree with each other all of the time, life would be pretty boring.
Hi elsa,
You have not pissed me off even though you tell me how it is. I appreciate it. It takes a lot more courage to tell the truth. I am very blunt myself and I appreciate it. It is just faster. You don’t have to get through all the preliminaries. Like There you are wallowing around in the dirt…. nuff said and stuff like that.
I have been very anxious myself the past few days and I am wonder what is cosmically causing this. It is an overwhelming and pervasive anxiety, aggitation. Maybe you are having the same type of phenomenon.
I am becoming more and more interested in astrology and I wonder what planets are causing this. Any ideas?
Well… it seems there is an adjustment needed. Awhile back there was the talk of a public figure should expect to be attacked (it was a less strong word, but you know…) Perhaps this is the case and if it is, do I want to be an attacked public figure? What’s in it for me? Saturn wants to know, see?
I am into service, there is no doubt about that but again is the benefit worth the cost? Because if it’s not, it’s not and that means there must be some other thing I am supposed to do.
I know I will continue to serve in some form considering I have never done anything but in my life, however the public victim projection hologram crap is getting old. I am just bored with it, I don’t know what else to say.
Ask yourself this: how would you like to be the windmill people fight all day?
For what it’s worth, you’ve never pissed me off…only time I ever disappear is either: a) when I have no internet; b) when I become too self-absorbed; c) when I feel guilty about past interaction…
What’s strange is that I normally have a very short fuse, even w/people I care about…and I care greatly about you and your family…which is why I keep coming back….I’ve never gotten pissed over anything you’ve written…ever
As for today - law of averages says you can’t keep everyone happy, but at the same time, everyone is not going to be pissed at you ALL the time either…I know you care a great deal, but people are people, and many people benefit from what you write…
What was that bit Robin Williams used to say? “Joke ‘em if they can’t take a fuck!”
I say keep writing…there will always be people out there waiting to read what you write and NOT get pissed…
I think sometimes people need to get pissed. Sometimes they can’t get pissed in the right direction so it comes out at someone completely separate from their real issues. I’ve learned more from the times I’ve reacted to someone than probably anything else in my life.
I don’t think you should change anything. I’ve been reading for at least four years. Some of us don’t get itchy.
p.s. No, I wouldn’t like to be the windmill so I don’t blame you if you need to adjust things for your own sanity.
Elsa- your Question- ‘What’s in it for me?’ Is a good one. Have you thought of charging an annual subscription fee?
Do you think its strange that people get pissed off? I don’t understand investing the energy.
Maybe its the Uranus thing just really jolting people right out of their reality for a moment. You let loose on some random topic that catches their passing brainwave or clutches them up in their psyche. They respond by being pissed at you.
You’ve got your integrity in tact.
So let them be pissed.
If they truly like you, they will get over it.
If not, well. . .bye then.
spinner - No. I think that would be a wrong direction for me and really didn’t mean the comment that way. I meant, I get nothing out of upsetting people and having them storm off in pain and confusion.
This is a sink to my energy and the more popular this blog becomes the more frequently I deal with it. Happens once a day at this point(publicly or behind the scenes)and wears on me.
“Uh, uh, uh. Another one bites the dust!”
Won’t be long and it’s going to be 2 a day… people dying on my sword, the sword I am not even holding.
Heather, no I don’t think it is strange. I know exactly how it happens as I have been watching it for many years. They don’t “invest” the energy, the energy takes them over… like a fucking fever, it is.
I’m a gemini and all I really care about is knowing who you pissed off so that we can gossip about them.
Seriously, i’m in a helping profession and I tell the truth too. The ones that come to me like the truth. I will say that over the years I have found different ways to tell that exact same truth in just as a direct way but a way that is not quite so jarring to people. This way they can focus on the message they need to hear rather than be fixated on me ;the asshole that gave them the hard news’. For me its not selling out. There’s a big difference between that and feeling like you sold out.
maybe I should get immunized, it sounds serious.
“It is very simple, I would rather die.” LOL. Yeah. Do what you need to do. But you know that already.
Yeah, spinner. This weekend we watched Lonesome Duck (Dove) and Gus is going just fine and then he gets an arrow shot in his leg. Unable to get it out, he gets gangrene and you know the rest. He goes down… so predictably it’s got to be fated.
LOL Lilly on your Robin Williams Quote.
Spinner….good point…I would pay a fee for this quality of entertainment….anyway pinner…who the hell are you, you crack me up on your last comment about the immunization….
Elsa, when you say “the energy takes them over… like a fucking fever…”
Here is what I say to those people and what I try to do myself (and sometimes it is easier than other, no matter whose words or messages I am responding to so intensely)
WHERE IS THIS IN MY CHART???????????????????????
I mean, if (whomever) is a regular of Elsa, we do not storm off so easily; we think about it first. At least give it one day of rational, logical thought. Maybe two. Maybe three!
Take that from one who storms off at the drop of a hat. Or beret….or bandana…..or cap…..or fedora… or whatever.
My weirdest fate could never have been predicted (I mean, not by ME) so and therefore….perhaps there will be a paradox. It happens. Or so I have heard.
Loonsounds… Gus did not know he was going to get hit by an arrow but he did. And I meant that once this happens the universe just takes him out and it does it so cleanly you have to think it was supposed to be rather than there can be a debate over woulda coulda shoulda. He’s going south and that’s all there is to it.
Elsa,
What I remember most from my reading with you is to 1) speak my truth from my crotch! 2) my handshake (smiles, freckles, and a laugh) doesn’t begin to tell the whole story of who I am. And I read your blog and I LOVE it that you piss people off! Because you’re never mean, you know? You’re you. There are some people (and I have encountered many of them, including lovers) who are mean, and some who merely speak their truth, without ill intent. There’s a difference, and from time to time folks just will not get it. You write this blog, you invite us in, and some will come and go and come back again. The ones who leave for good, well… you’ve got to wonder where they go. I’m just glad I found you!
Not all of us die off. I still lurk and I still loves ya, Elsa.
Yes, well…better to be pissed off than pissed on, right?
If a person were reading your novel and got pissed off by a character you wrote, they’d hurl the book across the room and be done with you. But you’re not offering a novel, you’re offering an interactive blog AND an email addy for additional instant contact. So I can imagine the load of “books” that’ve been thrown your way in the last eight years. You must be an expert at ducking by now. (Good lord, can you imagine the PILES of hate mail Anne Landers received in a lifetime?)
You offer a flame. We’re drawn to the flame. Some of us just don’t pass through that flame. But for those of us who do, we are refined. Still, it’s so painful for the one is holds the fire. Because you are holding *fire* in your hands, Elsa.
Fire.
Well Elsa, you know the old saying, “you can please some of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.
I’m pretty new here, but so far so good. I’m a person that likes the truth, no matter how painful or awful. Then I can deal with it.
I am alone a lot, (even though I have two kids) and I enjoy reading your (and all the other) posts. It’s something to look forward to everyday.
Also, it’s always good to see that everyone has problems, not just you (as in whoever), and like a soap opera, it gives you something else to focus on, and makes you feel like you’re part of something bigger, gets you thinking, gets you looking for answers to other people’s problems.
Thanks for all your hard work, Elsa :o)
p.s. i am quite surprised by how much writing you get done on this blog, everyday
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I will be the decider of when and where I get pissed Elsa. I am ok if you change the way you do things Elsa. Its only natural to change once in a while. I hope you make your decisions in your own way and in your own time.
best
Kingsley
I’ve been irked by something you’ve written a couple/few times… However, I’ve found that if I take a step back and analyze the situation, the problem isn’t what you’ve said, but rather a particular sensitivity of mine. I have buttons and sore spots. Very few people are aware of precisely what and where those buttons and sore spots are, so it’s virtually impossible for you to poke at them intentionally, right? So then, while you’re sometimes about as subtle as a chainsaw - which I’ve been accused of more than once myself *coughcough* - it’s not like you’re malicious! You’re simply a very direct person. If folks can’t deal with very direct people, then they need to take themselves elsewhere. *shrug*
What I have learned in theory, and am trying to integrate into my being is that what matters most, is that we ultimately care how others feel, and work to incorporate that in our awareness when we take action.
This is as opposed to caring about what others may think of us and independent of what we may think of them. And also as opposed to worrying about how others feel.
[To me there is a distinction between “worry” and “care” - where “care” means being mindful and aware and “worry” means being fearful.]
I say this as someone with a lot of air and a default mode of relating to people through logic; but when I have consciously tried it, it has had an effect of creating a space between you and the other person, where almost anything can be said safely. (Certainly, though, there is at least some exception where even this would piss someone off.)
But - in regards to the comment above, it’s true you can’t please all of the people all of the time. But that’s not a problem, if you don’t care if you please them. Because all you care about is that you care how they feel and that’s where you act from. If they still get pissed - then there’s nothing you could do about it; but still, because you care how they feel, you would have noticed that they were upset. (I think when we fail to notice how others feel, it’s like we negate their existence … which is why it’s so offensive, but that is a tangent.)
Also, in my earlier comment - and I know you did clarify, but to tie this comment with that one - I don’t think a public figure should expect to be attacked. I do think a public figure should expect to be analyzed (among other things - though I was responding about that specifically).
In my opinion, what’s in it for the public figure, is that they get to create reality (based on their personal thoughts and ideas) on a bigger scale by amplifying their energy through the energy of the people who listen and carry the creative energy of the “speaker” forward.
And there was something about the comment that I initially responded to, which made me feel like maybe you took that privilege for granted. (That may not be true; but it was the sense I got.)
You could get tougher and blunter but somehow I don’t think that will work. It may be a part of the problem. The trick is to do some work with the part of yourself that feels “attacked”. I prefer to used the phrase “push against”. Various clients can push against me. That can be tough going. Controlling the feelings and managing the “pushing” is too hard after a while and its best to get something for yourself (outside of the blog). Most counsellors and people in these kind of positions need supervision over time so they can continue on. I would prefer to that work than not do the work I love doing.
k
(Ha. After looking at my transits today, I understand my earlier stated impulse to bite heads off. Mercury square my Mars, and Mars square my Mercury!)
For you, Elsa, I think you challenge people, just by being yourself. I understand why a lot of famous people don’t read their reviews. It’s too much of a burden for one human being to bear – putting up with other people’s projections. Maybe someone else could read your mail – you shouldn’t have to put up with that crap.
But if there’s no way around it, I like the idea of just letting it go. (What else can you really do, after all?) It seems that no one in this world who’s made a real difference did so without incurring enmity, or at least disapproval.
I don’t always get you or understand how you arrive at certain points. There’s lots of things and people I don’t understand, but I don’t get pissed about it. I try to be liberal minded and think if that’s what floats their boat fine! That’s life and it keeps things interesting!
I like your straight-shooting style Elsa cause its damn refreshing!
keep up the good work
Alison
Elsa -
WOW…
I did criticize what you said on that blog (and previous ones) about Italians = mafia. My comment may have been blunt, but it was not rude. The criticism was not directed at your character, it was directed to something specific you had said (and I still stand by my statement).
Your response basically went like: well sorry if that offended you, but I believe in what I wrote and as a matter of fact you have just demonstrated that I am right.
Wow …
I was quite taken aback, so I thought that maybe some extra explanation would be needed. Your next response was quite curt, basically like: I already said sorry, what else do you want from me? End of conversation.
But it was not the end of the conversation because here comes this other post about people being pissed off because they’re basically projecting onto you, they have some kind of disease, they are boring, etc.
You seem to want to generalize something that was specific and ultimately paint the commenter as a diseased person.
Isn’t this overreacting?
I think there is a degree of over reating here Maddalena. The issue seems to be over inflated from my perspective. I think it is safe for me to say here, that includes your comments in regard to the situation. Lets move on otherwise I can’t understand what all the fuss is about.
kingsley
Elsa, people get pissed off at the most minor things that they have no control over (the weather for example)…it’s not surprising that at some point someone somewhere is going to get pissed off at you for making a statement that they don’t agree with. Or worse (and probably more common) they get pissed off at something they read into what you said which isn’t quite what you said at all, which puts you in an awkward position at best. The thing is, they’re dealing with their energy and their reactions — in essence, they’re choosing to respond emotionally rather than intellectually to your words. There’s not a whole lot you’re going to do about that, because you can’t control their reactions any more than they can control what comes out of your mouth (or keyboard, in this case).
What that costs you is what you choose to give up for it.
Personally, I think the good that you do far outweighs whatever crap pissed-off people feel like flinging at the wall. If it’s a mood, they’ll get over it — if it’s not, they own it, not you.
I suppose it depends on whether there is a pattern in the things people get pissed off by. You’ve got to see the structure of the whole thing (and you’re the only one who has the overview), and make a decision based on that. Is it their problem in (over)reacting, is it my problem in reacting to their reacting, or is there really something in my writing that needs to be fixed in order to get my message across.
I never get pissed off at your advice wrting, it is true - some of the other blogs, yeah sometimes. Nothing serious though - I wouldn’t be reading otherwise. As I wrote before you have the benefit of th doubt.
Kingsley -
I acknowledge your reproach. I’m quite far from perfect, I have my faults, probably including a bad communication style.
As a commenter, I realize I am liable to get, directly or indirectly, my own share of criticism for whatever I have to say - including the risk of it being superficially lumped (not by you) into the category of crap. I’m not complaining, but I do note that sweeping generalizations are quite useless all around.
I’ll be quite happy to move on.
I have seen this type of dynamic in all the public formats I have been in.
Sometimes certain people get the limelight and stay there, sometimes that is good and sometimes it is bad.
Everyone is respponsible for what they say. Elsa, you are responsible, I am responsible and whoever else is also 100% responsible.
If I become upset about something…anything really… then it becomes my issue.. I own it and I adress it. The reaction I get is owned by those who give me their feedback. I cannot control their feelings or words.
This motto might really sound stupid but I love it
What you think of me is none of my business.
This is not a popularity blog it is an Astrology blog.
Elsa, your insights and your style is what just sucked me in. Now I can’t get enough. I find you to be so refreshing and stimulating.
Please keep up the excellent work.
Thank you
Debsy
Debsy, thanks and that’s a good point. I am responsible for what I say but I am not responsible for how people parse what I say.
To everyone else, thanks very much for your comments. I am tossing this around and s, on this bit:
“If a person were reading your novel and got pissed off by a character you wrote, they’d hurl the book across the room and be done with you.”
This is exactly what I am thinking. I do get tired of being so appalling and while it fits my chart there are other ways to play it and this is a very viable one.
That is, I can disappear from the public (Neptune midheaven) and work on a(nother) book or perhaps one of the screen plays I am always threatening to write (Mars Mercury, LOL).
These are products - If I produced them, I might get paid. In fact, I probably would get paid so that is factor for sure and perhaps a strong one, I don’t know. I just have to figure this out!
What do I like, what do I not like, what can be done, what should be done… and why, why, why?
For the record, this is a Saturnian situation for me, in that I just feel compelled to take a serious look at this (as the title of this blog implies).
Am I going in the right direction? Is this (still) the right mountain? Because the costs are definitely increasing pretty dramatically which is a clear sign to me, I ought to examine this.
Separate but related, over the last few weeks there have been 2 products I have bought for years… all the sudden the price was raised. Fuel costs or whatever. Who knows. But in both cases I rejected the price increase. I just was not going to pay it.
Now in one case I quit buying the product. I just quit and found a substitute product.
In the other case, I was able to buy the same product at a more reasonable price from a different supplier but you get the idea.
If the price is too high - I am not going to pay it and I don’t care who thinks what about anything. Because come on! It’s my wallet.
Heh, strange. I came to that conclusion myself a time or three in the past.
I watched a movie yesterday that had a quote in it… just a bit corny, but still true. “Conflict teaches us who we are.” I don’t see you as going around poking people with sticks for fun and pleasure (and if anybody did, hopefully this post would convince them otherwise), but you definitely challenge people in ways that tell them who they are.
I guess the problem is that you AREN’T awful. If you were, people would consign you to the ages and leave. But what people see instead is, “This person just offended me but otherwise I like her. Therefore I REALLY REALLY need to respond so I can correct her so I can still like her” etc. etc. etc.
I’ll say this much: I would never dream of allowing comments to my own public blog. I have seen people absolutely attacked, nearly lynched, stripped bare and torn to pieces online by their own commenters (the worst times are when some random person finds you and then gets all of their friends to come and bombard you with hate mail). There is something about online communication that transmits the negative while suppressing communication of the positive. I admire you for encouraging so much discussion about everything, but really, it’s a lot of pressure, and it has been for everyone I’ve ever seen who has done it.
Is taking a break an option?
Elsa, the truth hurts! Its really hard for people to hear what they already know but wish they didnt!
I really think you have to just continue on the way that you are (and really I wouldnt want you any different than exactly the way that you are) and if people get upset.. well thats their energy isnt it? They can focus it into being upset, or they can channel it differently.. but you dont really have any control over that.
Kinda like Robin Williams said in “License to Wed” when he was complimented on his sermon: “The message comes from upstairs, Im just the TIVO”
Youre just the TIVO Elsa, you grab the signal, turn it into something recognizable and play it. Its up to the folks watching if they want to turn the channel.
>>Ask yourself this: how would you like to be the windmill people fight all day?<<
I am. And its exhausting, totally agree. I dont fight people online (I dont get sucked in anymore to online drama, I soooo learned to separate) but people IRL it seems WANT me to be this force they have to fight. Not sure why exactly except that people always need a scape goat yk?
“Not sure why exactly except that people always need a scape goat yk?”
Yes I do know and it’s boring. Mind numbingly boring, sort of like hearing (and watching) Hannah Montana sing that same day damn song bit over and over some 3 million times. What can you do besides wait for your kid to grow up?
Well in this case, I have learned to mimic her. You ought to see me, “rock out the show”.
The soldier too. He says our next dog is going to be named, “Hannah Banana Montana - Friend Of Clucky”
So there are ways to cope… :0
Elsa-
you have chosen to ignore my last comment(s) and any possibility of direct exchange of conversation.
I really don’t know how much of the recent upset is due to my own - very public - comments and how much is going on behind the scenes. You have mentioned more than once that you receive hate mail. I’m very sorry to hear that. I’m also sorry to see that you don’t distinguish between people who are actually wanting to hurt you and people who may disagree (however strongly) on something you wrote but are not otherwise there to attack you as a person or as an astrologer.
Recently you posted a blog about credit: you said you thought you deserved some credit. Perhaps a commenter like myself also deserved some credit: I have had a friendly attitude towards you in the past.
I’m sorry to see how criticism is perceived as “public victim hologram crap”.
You are definitely not a scapegoat for me, why on earth would I want to do that?
I personally did not storm off your blog. I hung around hoping for a mutual understanding.
I will now quietly exit.
I wish you the very best for your blog and your life
Maddalena
wtf?
Well, when i told the truth so as not to compromise my integrity when I worked in the field of health care, I lost my job.
The culture at large is not in agreement with the integrity approach, most of the time, elsa.
If you can stand the heat, you’ll continue. Well, of course you can STAND the heat but whats in it for you?
Is it selfish to want to GET SOMETHING out of one’ s work and service??
I too got bored of it all.
I’m in the midst of yet another wrench in the routine of life and ya know, I was happier as a hand to mouth bartender!
Maybe this is (more of..) your PLUTO/MOON stuff????
You will decide what to keep and what to throw away, OR.. it wll all blow up on it’s own.
A life in the “helping” professions is over rated.
Sorry– I am in a bummer mood today.
Will go work out and see if I CAN SWEAT it out of my system.
Elsa, you do a great job around here and your writing is superb. You are appreciated by many no doubt.
Maddalena - I did address you directly and respectfully, twice. You did not like what I had to say and repeating myself is not going to help.
I would say something you do like but I have no other mind or thoughts on this other than I am certain you are triggered.
This kind of stuff is inevitable in this medium because the internet is a false mode of communication, there is an unnatural shield between the speaker and the audience. Messages get filtered through dozens of different perceptions. There is not one fix or one way of relating. If you cannot see or hear the person speaking to you, so much gets missed. Backtracking is even worse. What did you say? Are you sure you said that? I thought you meant this. It happens on every blog that I have ever been to. People want to feel part of a community even if it is an online community, and if they are slighted or alienated in any way they retreat. I just think it’s human nature amplified. If we were all just sitting around a table, the same situation might crop up and the slighted person would probably choose to withdraw or to create a fuss. So Elsa you can choose to deal with this tension constantly, close down the comments, or not to write at all. Your call. Does the good outweigh the bad?
I would personally love to read any book you wrote. You definitely have the talent, you certainly have the readers and for sure you have the material!!
Yeah. . .also keeping in mind all this retrograding energy right now may be contributing to the general tone. . .
Yeah, Elsa, I have now read a real life example of someone being “taken over. . .like a fucking fever”. . .wtf?
Onelove,
H.
Well this is the history… why (I think) this is happening:
Many moons ago, M sent a question to my blog. She had a way she perceived her experience and what happened is you guys… the readers here did not see things the way she did.
Now while she was not attacked, people did state plainly that they disagreed with her read on the situation and it was clear she did not like it at all. She methodically responded to each challenge or criticism and there was a flood of it so in short she was busy all day refuting everyone… over and over because it turned into a dialogue same as this time.
Now I had nothing to do with this other than I host(ess) this blog. But I can say pretty safely it was not the (public) reaction she expected and it was probably a day of living hell for her - maybe even a bloodbath.
Now I (quietly) did what I could. I posted a lot of blogs that day to push the thing down the page and make it fade. I do not get off on someone’s pain, see? But I also try to stay out of the way of the universe and when the whole world is telling you something, well wtf. I guess it is a message you are supposed to (sadly) receive. So that passed and like I said, it has been many months and now this.
This makes it appear there has been seething all along. Someone must be responsible for this rape (because it could and would easily be perceived in that vein)and mis-justice and that person is going to be who? Well it’s going to be me of course.
I am sorry for those who can’t grasp this but the shit has to go somewhere and it goes to the 8th house. We attract energy of all kinds and shit is definitely energy, some of the most potent out there.
So this is the story and I am telling it for a myriad of reasons… one of them is that M might read this and put 2 and 2 together.
If not, then she off to my dark fan club she goes where she will have lots of company but none of them happy because guess what?
Hating me does you no good at all, I’m a windmill for Godsakes so what am I going to do? I am going to keep turning of course.
Like I have a choice in the matter. ::rolls eyes::
You know if a person talks enough, eventually someone will get offended, lol. But that’s just a reflection of human nature not the speaker. Hopefully, people can look past this and love anyway. There is always something to learn, especially in the midst of conflict.
Remember we all love and support you. Keep turning Elsa P
Ana - yeah that’s what occurred to me last week. No kidding, I have written about 8000 blogs and there are so many people with so many moods… well offending eventually is virtually guaranteed.
How much of a grudge someone wants to build up is optional though. It is perfectly possible to hate me into eternity for something I wrote in 2002 (that I don’t even recall). In fact, it is common.
I really don’t know why people take everything so personally. Especially if they’re here choosing to read your blog!
It is much easier to poke fun at onself than to have others poke fun at you. Much of the time once defense mechanisms go up, the best you can do is to try to see that adding injury to insult where non is needed is futile.
“It is much easier to poke fun at onself than to have others poke fun at you.”
How very true! Set your stall out on your own terms. Once the defence mechanisms go up it’s a different battle altogether.
Thanks Loonsounds- You look fifteen years younger than you are. Translated that means I like you too! I like to keep it light. Sometimes my eccentric sense of humour can generate some interesting follow up comments. I wonder if I should qualify sometimes. [PS that was supposed to be funny.] Either way some would not like my humour or not like my comments when I am trying to be serious. Water off a ducks back. Elsa, I would buy your novels!!! With all of the action this June, perhaps waiting until July to make a decision would be good. This is the conclusion I am coming to as I see a pattern developing for me where I wanted to rehash everything that has happened or I have decided on this year. Yikes!
A few times this week, weekend I have thought., You know what would be interesting? No what would be interesting spinnner? What if all of the bloggers on Elsa’s blog met on an island like phantasy island. We could all stay at the same hotel and sign up for different sessions or just play phoozeball or badminton if we felt like it. Honestly the interaction and chaos would be a sight to behold!
in all fairness, a question on a public blog that allows comments, some may not be sympathetic to your perspective. that’s different from personal attacks…if that isn’t comfortable, perhaps a private consultation is in order. maybe that’s insensitive of me to look at it that way; i dunno. i just think it goes with the territory and to take it personally is a mistake.
eh. i’ve been reading you for years now…4? 5? something like that. clearly, your writing does not piss me off, or i wouldn’t keep coming…
your writing is, however, consistently provocative and decidedly NOT pc. of course it will push buttons. for me, most often i’ve found that even when i don’t see the same picture, i get something from being exposed to your perspective. probably often not what you intended, but no matter. ha!
in all honesty, i’ve had hurt feelings before; i did what made sense to me: kept my emotional reactions largely to myself and took a break until i felt better. but regardless, i felt no compulsion to dump that back in your lap, or even assume it was really about you. i was the one being triggered, you know?
if you’re going to write from the gut, you can’t constantly ask yourself who is going to be offended, or you’ll be completely crippled in your ability to express. the same honesty in sharing your perspective that can piss people off is also where large amounts of the value of the work comes in, imo.
as far as what’s in it for you, i have no idea. for whatever it’s worth, though, i do appreciate what you do, elsa, and all the energy you’ve put out there over the years. but you know that, ’cause i’ve told you.
peace out, ms. elsa.
PS The name of the Hotel is ‘The House of Eight.’
goddess - thank you and on the pc thing… this is a factor for me. I am not a politician and just have no desire to please the public. My drive is to serve and my purpose when I state my position is less to convince others to see things and more to encourage them to have the courage to state theirs.
See, I really don’t care what someone thinks, I just hope they think something. I don’t care who agrees with me and I don’t know how many times I might repeat this but once more at least:
I don’t care who disagrees with me because I disagree with myself. I can always always argue the opposite side… in fact, I can argue any side you’ve got so what do I care what you think? I come from Henry and and an entire family of Jupiter Moon folk and if there is anything I understand it is that people have different perspectives and beliefs.
The problems emerge when someone tries to control mine. This is just not fuckin’ possible, please try to understand.
It is not possible because I have boundaries but it is also not possible because I can argue all those sides, remember?
Given this, you simply cannot win on this front and I have a song for those who try. A little ditty to reduce my suffering, it’s Little Village’s (Nick Lowe et al) “Don’t Go Away Mad…”
http://www.lyrics007.com/Little%20Village%20Lyrics/Don%27t%20Go%20Away%20Mad%20Lyrics.html
Elsa, your “Don’t Go Away Mad” song was not what I anticipated…in my family, “Don’t Go Away Mad” was usually followed by “Just Go Away!”. Actually, my mom had “Go Away!” burned in big letters on a wooden plaque (with teeeeeny letters “Just kidding!” beneath the “Go Away” part) as a gift for a boyfriend of mine in high school. I don’t think she was kidding.
But I digress.
Carielle - ha ha ha. Too bad you can’t hear them sing it. John Hiatt was part of Little Village as well as Ry Cooder. Hard to go wrong!
Anyway, I don’t like to feel bad and I don’t like others to feel bad. Everything I do here has the intention of helping people feel good, even if I am entirely unconventional. And that song also reflects how I see this… it’s like standing on the ground watching a plane going into a tailspin. I just want them to pull up. PULLLLLLLLLLL UP! Sometimes they do but not that often.
Of the ones who pull up, about half go down at a later date, the other half never go down again. Does it sound like I have been watching this awhile? I have.
Whoops! Here it is
http://www.vh1classic.com/view/artist/11338/46975/Little_Village/Don_t_Go_Away_Mad/index.jhtml
Is that video grand or what??
Wowie Zowie, some interesting reading today! Overall, Such an extremely articulate group of people are amongt your followers, Elsa! I thought so many of these comments were excellent.
Here is one of my favorites, and I am quoting ’s’
“You offer a flame. We’re drawn to the flame. Some of us just don’t pass through that flame. But for those of us who do, we are refined. Still, it’s so painful for the one is holds the fire. Because you are holding *fire* in your hands, Elsa.”
This blog is such an amazing interactive thing, it is nothing like a book to me, it is like Michele says, like a daily entertainment and almost therapeutic to see that everyone is going thru ’stuff’ every day. Life stuff.
Moreover, it is just a damn fun blog.
I also understand your point, Elsa, it is not paying off financially. Or not paying much of anything at all, financially.
It sounds that you feel that to create a different type of product for public consumption, like books, would pay you better. I’d buy your books. You are so damn energetic and prolific, I could say, blog a little less and write a book too. But the selfish me loves the blog as is and would be sad to see it shortened.
I never really understand how people can afford to write so much stuff on the Internet that is free to the comsumer ….. except that they just pure-D love what they do so much that they cannot stop…that is the only explanation I can think of.
Spinnner, Leo-Moon says thank you, you have made my day, because Leo-moon says to self “Whether or not Spinner has ever really seen any real recent photo (not counting the one on astrodienst forum, of curse, heh heh heh), it is in fact true that I do look 15 years younger than I am, and how nice that someone has noticed me today.” Hah! Hah! Hah!
Oh Blame it on Midnight.
Shame on the (Leo) Moon….
Plus, Spinner, I totally dig your idea of the “Elsa’s House of Light” because, truth be told, even when you expose dark issues, Elsa (or maybe even especially when you expose dark issues), you bring Big Truths to light all the time!
I am so fucking sick and tired of all of the pretense in today’s world! You are just plain seriously refreshing, and that’s a fact. Elsa becomes new-age-GURU: how’s that for a hologram? Hey, if you’ve got it……..
As far as the assholes who can’t deal with … whatever:
Joke ‘em if they can’t take a fuck.
Fuckin awesome video Elsa. “Somethin’s burnin’”
There’s the flame theme again!
“Somethin’s burnin’”
yeah - MARS!
Did you see Nick Lowe’s hair! This is the problem with people like me and people like him. We like our hair, it’s obvious but it does things!
And I think it’s funny how Lowe tries to be rushing angrily and can’t manage to even fake it.
Also for people who don’t know John Hiatt… he is the guy who wrote confronted (and psychoanalyzed)rock stars who smashed guitars - You can hear that one here: Perfectly Good Guitar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5begHSoQ1s
And for the record, I feel just like this. Like the guitar that is! There is no good reason to smash me, ya freaks!
Whoa, what a storm! I was just a bit surprised to check my mail today and find like 46 messages, almost all from here!
Elsa, Thanks for reminding me of John Hyatt. I have loved him for years…that sexy raspy voice.
Hey, if you have not heard of this guy, check him out, I think both you and the soldier might love this dude/band.
It’s Reckless Kelly.
I am working on a myspace and I have “Break my heart tonight” by reckless kelly playing when you go there (or that will be my aim, eventually). It’s great to listen to him live, but be sure to check out:
WICKED TWISTED ROAD live by Reckless Kelly
I relate to that song so much with all my great 8th house energy, and with that Jupiter/Uranun 1 degree conjunction in Cancer…you know….never can get settled down.
Love the u tubes, thanks for introducing me.
I know I’m late to the party (again) and you’ve already stated this is the comments, E, but I’m here to harmonize.
You’re gonna piss people off and there’s not a damned thing you can do about it. Even if you tried to be perfectly pc, meek and unassuming, someone would be pissed about that, too. It’s inevitable! Besides that, even if you completely shunned teh innertubes, you’d still piss people off out in the really-real world and that’s just the way things roll. You know this already, ’nuff said.
Is the benefit worth the cost? Dunno. You’ve said that you live to serve. If you weren’t serving people through your writing, how would you go about it? Is there a way to accomplish what you feel you need to do with less “pain” (for lack of a better term)? No one here can answer that for you, unfortunately.
On the whole M issue, I really thought she was just over-reacting, but maybe I wasn’t giving you enough credit for sneakiness, E. Maybe this question was a retort of sorts; I tend to be a bit naive about such things. (Actually, I just don’t have much sense of self-importance. It amounts to the same thing.)
Regardless, I once submitted a question and got some advice that, to be honest, hurt my feelings a bit. So I went off to think for a day or two, concluded that you were right, and came back to say so. Lo and behold, when I loaded up the post there were comments from others here that were not so kind, and from posters I really had no fondness of to boot! Infuriating! But instead of taking it personally, I shrugged it aside and got busy assimilating the hard truth I had been shown. True to my chart, the opinions of others just don’t effect me that much, and unless I’ve specifically asked for input I can pretty much ignore any comments from the peanut gallery with aplomb.
And, as you can see, I’m still here. Mostly.
Some of us don’t tilt at windmills.
I can’t help but tilt at windmills. it’s what I do: I’m a windmill tilter. I have this friend who’s always reprimanding me for that. she’s an imaginary friend. I’d ask her opinion on this but we’re in a big fight.
I blame Stephen Wright.
Satori, today you will be the death of me! I almost choked on my water when I read that.
SaDiablo - I addressed this here:
http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/2008/06/04/the-conflicts-on-this-blog-people-who-hate-me-subconscious-attacks-my-guess-at-reality-and-a-whole-lot-more/
My take on life and astrology and people interacting here and reading Elsa’s astrology is this: We all have our day in the sun and days out of the sun. Meaning that I am a libra etc etc. so when it’s time for capricorns there’s conflict. I’m forced to adjust to the new energy because it is the way life is turning. The only control we have is of ourselves and how we choose to listen/ react to/integrate the energy. With pluto opposing my moon at the same time as conjuncting(?) Elsa’s, we were under the same transit - pluto being the empowering energy - encouraging us to own our truth while in sagittarius - as well as the bully on the playground. When my moon in gemini wanted to hear a softer version of the truth and being blocked by the lies my mate was telling since it was so soothing to believe, along came Elsa with an empowered moon to be the force. It doesn’t change my moon in it’s gemini way - her read of me and where i was at I have a different perspective on - yet it did help me to incorporate the truth - to be able to discern a whopper and to want to hear the gemini words that at the root have some truth to it. (I also am better able to see when my mother is just telling me words I want to hear) But with pluto we also see the bully side and the abuse of the truth.. as the media has been affected and advertising - add a dash of truth and you can sell anything with pluto in sagittarius. But that’s the way of it. Gemini’s (and virgo and pisces) get knocked down but they adjust as well as they are still Gemini’s. Now they gossip with truth behind it as they are wary of just fabrication, having dealt with the bully on the playground. At some point pluto will go into Gemini and then people will be empowered and bullied with lying. But I do trust that at that time we will need it, just like now after all the brutal truth and expansion, we are being empowered/forced to have integrity and do the hard work with pluto entering capricorn.
How this relates is that having been through a transit in relation to this blog and to how elsa speaks, a lot of it was about Elsa’s time in the sun. Now with saturn in virgo we are being asked to discern. If you turn to your friends and family and hear the message there and implement it then it is easier to take IMO. If you don’t listen and come here for a more objective take (meaning you don’t like what they are saying) it will still be the same message until either ignored and the transit is passed, or integrated and your life is improved. C’est la vie.
So with saturn in virgo, M wants to criticize and go over the words spoken, but to what point? Elsa has the message as she considers her service here (saturn virgo) which is now taking exception to the pluto that empowered her. And we are ALL under that energy. It’s like the traveller who says “now that we are here what am I to DO?” and “Did I bring everything?”
well, the way i see it, when benefit involves being authentically yourself and following your calling, the cost of the costs seems to diminish in comparison.
besides, people learn from getting pissed off. sometimes. it has profound learning potential, anyway.
*shrug*
i know libra don’t necessarily like it much, but honesty tends to mean you’re eventually going to piss off anyone and everyone at least once. i think it’s impossible for any two people to get along _all the time_ if they’re being open with each other. and being able to work with that is, in my mind, part of being an adult.
“What am I to do about it?” I’m very, very late to the party. I’ve missed you, Elsa, while I’ve been away, and everyone else too!
I may be oversimplifying things, but many negative comments in the past have seemed to me something akin to jealousy. I could explain, but many people have already commented on this and I agree with a lot of it.
It’s just who I am, I think, but I’m trying very hard to comb through the cobwebs of my brain…I don’t think I’ve ever been offended. In fact I make the mistake of thinking ‘Oh she must be hyperbolic’ when you say something that others find ‘offensive.’
I’m sorry you’re tired of the projection. I get tired of being projecting on as well.
As for the benefit being worth the cause, well, Capricorn says, ‘Yes, of course. Now go clean your room!’ Ha ha ha!
wow, ok, and now i’ve read the comments.
if someone goes off the hating then obviously it’s something in their head getting hammered that they don’t want to face. it’s a damn predictable pattern. and it’s certainly not personal and it seems you’re aware of that.
if you’re going to be who you are without hiding from the world you’re going to hit people that way.
it appears anyone being authentically themself tends to do that (a lot of people seem to have a big leaking wound where they betrayed themself in order to fit in) and some people get triggered, wake up, and say, “hey, i can do that too!” and some people never have the courage to look in the mirror.
but the only way to avoid it is hiding. if you’re going to be who you are. and the act of hiding isn’t always an authentic action but it sure can be if enough energy is draining that you can’t focus it on your own needs….
you could always take a vacation. form the blog at least. and see what it feels like, whether you like it better, whether you want to do something like that on a regular basis, if you’d rather keep the blog 24/7…
i do know a number of my friends who swear their psychological well-being on the ability to be totally by themselves for a weekend or week or so periodically. preferably someplace beautiful….