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1 Minute Astrology - The Saturn Return: Reality Does Not Create Reality!
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This is in response to a comment on this blog: Saturn return… Take A Lesson From These Two Losers
Defending a Capricorn-type comment regarding the Saturn Return.
More on this topic - Elaborating Around My Fatalistic Statement Regarding The Saturn Return
24 Responses to “1 Minute Astrology - The Saturn Return: Reality Does Not Create Reality!”
I get what yer sayin, Miss Elsa, but my Saturn return - if it did in fact happen when I was 30 - was particularly noneventful. I was sitting in Paris with a boy I dated for six years who was God awful, and I did nothing about it.
When I turned 35, however, now THAT’s a whole ‘nother story. I made some powerful statements about what I wanted my life to be and, in fact, 18 months later, things are coming around . . .
Do people really listen to the “sound of Saturn” though? Its these crucial developmental times like the Saturn return where fate takes a direction. There are plenty of choices including avoidence of reality. The lesson will be about something at the return. I guess some people miss out on their teenage rebellion stage of development to only experience identity issues later in life. The missing bits will emerge at some stage.
kingsley
I’d agree that some things have long-range effects, but not everything in life has that same level of permanence. There are various degrees of “oops” that a life can tolerate without necessarily staying stuck in them for 30 years. And there may be some degrees of “oops” that are simply lifelong. The catch is recognizing when an event or action has the potential to stick with you, and working in a way to make the stick positive. 
Just my humble opinion.
Gemini with Leo rising says: TALK ABOUT ME ALL YOU WANT, I’LL TOTALLY EAT IT UP. 
When you mentioned that about the Saturn return, it really struck home for me because of the horrible situation that happened last year… which inspired a fit of depression that you later helped me out with on this blog. I thought about that situation, and about the idea of those two alternatives… getting another chance 28 years along, or never getting one. In this particular situation, I just couldn’t see a good outcome. Heck, if I got another chance a week from now, I couldn’t see one.
And that fits with what you’re saying. This is something in my life that may very well never sit right with me. It’ll always be a scar. It may become part of me, but it’ll be a part that aches when it rains.
But for some reason it just confounded me that I couldn’t see a good outcome anywhere. You’re right. The things we do, they matter. It’s possible to do a wrong thing, that you feel for the rest of your life. In fact, I’ve gotten into a habit of looking for people who have one or two of those in their lives… when you find someone who has really screwed up massively, and who has incorporated it into an otherwise happy life, that’s a person you can learn a lot from.
From my understanding, I sort of thought that if you don’t grab hold of these lessons or issues at your SR, you can still deal with them during that next 30 year cycle. The results of those decisions made and those paths walked come home to roost at the second SR. You might change them along the way, though, especially when you have opportunities again at Saturn squares. It might be harder to change, but still possible.
Thoughts?
I’m totally into this because I just finished that first SR and the large sweeping changes were just really unbelievable.
Heather M, I stated my case and stand by it. In theory all things are possible. In reality what happens is typically way, way beneath what is possible in theory. I have been watching this a very long while.
I would allow for the anomaly though but anomaly means an actual anomaly which is very, very rare thing.
I certainly agree with you Heather. People also have the capacity to remain “fixated” at different developmental times. That is they seem to stay in one of the Saturn Cycles and that has a great impact on their personality just like the person who “skips” over the saturn lesson. Usually the person already has a highly adapted personality style, not that they know that. I would say that other developmental times could trigger the “lessons”. Such as the Saturn squares or perhaps the Uranus opp, pluto opp Uranus and the other “midlife crisis” aspects.
kingsley
Nice, Ewinbee! I love that.
Elsa, can I be the anomaly? . . . at 36? Maybe my SR got delayed somehow? Forgot about me for five years?
But what about the effects of Uranus and Jupiter? Do they not come along at different moments to liberate and expand which can help set you back on course?
I have a hard time understanding your theory except to relate it to the fact that everything is learned, and people who are miserable but don’t know they can fix it, stay in their state not working on it for their whole life. And for that person every saturn hit makes life tougher.
Well, I guess time will tell, eh?
I feel like I certainly learned my SR l, although some of my methods may have been suspect. Maybe I did skip over part of it. Or maybe I just got a B instead of an A.
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ewinbee~
>In this particular situation, I just couldn’t see a good outcome. Heck, if I got another chance a week from now, I couldn’t see one.
Yes. I understand not being able to find a good outcome anywhere. Especially in relating it to the now. That is very much my perspective as well.
I’ve stated it before and I’ll say it again: I don’t feel like I learned anything from my first SR. It was a deep, dank, dark hole of gross for over a year that I’m only just climbing back out of now that Saturn is moseying off. I have no clue what that was supposed to teach me, if anything, and how any lesson could be absorbed in as bad a funk as I was in. I’m usually a pretty darned resilient person, but if that’s what I have to look forward to during my next SR I may just opt for an induced coma instead.
In the middle of my 1st saturn return and in very poor health - I lost my job, my income, my ability to work at all, my home. Interestngly enough I did all the supposedly ‘right’ things the years before - I got highly educated, was very successful, found a nice man and everybody thought I had it all together. Saturn comes along and WHAM, all in shambles. I think what my saturn return is about is responsibility for your life -no matter what circumstances-, in my case at this moment ‘give it to god’, since it’s the only thing I can do. And it’s the most difficult thing too for someone who is used to work and achieve all the time. Its about learning that life gives and takes, just deal with it, and take responsibility for whatever comes up. There is no arguing with reality. I do hope my life will get back on track after saturn eases off - I think I am learning these lessons, but who is to judge you learn them well?
About the backpacking, although I get what you’re saying - I think I really grew up backpacking, and in fact learned more about life than I could have in college. Not that I would suggest you stop there…(I didn’t, those degrees just seemed to accumulate in the years after that- not that they’re much use to me now). Sadiablo- the induced coma doesn’t sound so bad
Another thought I’ve had is on the connection between the saturn return and the midheaven - I don’t know whether that connection is made in astrology. That saturn ’shows you the way to live’(I have midheaven in pisces, saturn on top of mercury and next to sun in virgo in the 3rd house)). I have been ‘fighting’all my life to get where I got, in relationships, at university - and maybe saturn is teaching me that fighting is not the best way. Working hard has its (health) limits.
Especially whenI read this - I’ll track the reference if anyone’s interested. I have certainly never had enough ’stillness’ to just let life flow, I was working too hard!!:
“So for all of you out there that have Pisces on your Midheaven, I would like to leave you with a final thought to ponder: it’s not a question of “following your dreams” or “making something happen” that represents and expresses your ideals as much as it as allowing that which is already within you to come forth. It feels more like stepping out of your own way to allow what’s already there in potential to express. So in one sense it’s not about “doing.” It’s about coming to rest in a place that was always there, everywhere. It’s just your job to find your way to that experience.”
For some reason this makes me think of the blog on Elizabeth Smart and suffering in the collective. I mean here’s a girl who did absolutely nothing to deserve that and she will live with the reprecussions for the rest of her life. Is there such a thing as a reverse saturn return. Life will get better for those who have suffered undully? ( OR perhaps Saturn is about taking responsibility for situations that are out of our control)…
Des - I think E. Smart’s situation was part and parcel of being a mega-Scorpio - A plutonian thing rather than Saturn. Pluto kidnapped her and took her to the underworld.
Amber - I’d be interested in that reference, if you know where it is!
ETA: I think I just found it! Was your quote from the bottom paragraph of this link?
Yes, Elizabeth Smart does sound more like Pluto than Saturn. In a way, Saturn energy is far kinder than the Plutonian kind. Saturn seems more about cause and effect. There are rules, consequences, a choice to do the right thing or not. You know this ahead of time, and if you don’t do it right you spend a LOT of time trying to fix it. You’ve got control…you just have to exercise it or else Saturn takes control.
Pluto doesn’t really seem to work this way. An overwhelming energy just takes over, and things just happen to you. You have no control, you just accept it.
Amber,
Interestingly enough, I’ve also got Pisces on the midheaven! That’s an awesome quote, I need to go read the whole article.
As far as SR goes, though, I’ve seen a large improvement since transiting Saturn is in it’s very last degrees of conjunction with my natal Saturn. I’ve actually been able to process what happened during my return and try to find the “meaning” of it all, whereas I was just living the crisis at the time. So hang in there! It should lighten up once Saturn goes past exact.
i like to think of it as multiple chances to get things right… but you only have so long to study any one subject before something else will stand up and require you to pay attention.
…by the time saturn actually hit exact during m return things had massively improved. most of a year later i’m finding i’m implementing those lessons i’ve learned, all the time, everywhere… it’s like i squeezed through a bottleneck and in the process shed some ideas of mine which were confining me. but the next phase is already in motion… saturn’s gearing up to cross my ascendant this august. that should be fun… 
I like the bottleneck image, wyrdling! I think I’ma steal it.
It actually hit me a few days ago, after I wrote this, that the ball-o’-gross I experienced wasn’t due to my SR. *eyeroll* It was actually Saturn running over my Sun five times (no lie) before moving on to conjunct natal Saturn.
My actual SR has been more about picking up the pieces and moving on with my goals, plus having some new, possible goals highlighted for me. T Saturn is exact today!
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Elsa, you’re right that not everyone’s life automatically turns out well… but everyone’s life has that potential, if they’re willing to do what needs to be done. Our choices in life really do have long term effects.
That said, I have to believe that no matter where someone is in their life that they always have the choice to move in a new direction, without exception. The benefit of those changes may not happen over night, but they always show up.
Saturn return or no, what comes to mind when I think about this is a line from Stairway to Heaven — “Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there’s still time to change the road you’re on.”