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1 Minute Astrology - Who Asked You? Mercury With Boundaries (Saturn), It’s Not Such A Bad Deal
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Comments regarding Saturn in aspect to Mercury aka having control of your mouth and your mind.
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Yes, I agree. I have Mercury in Capricorn sextile Saturn, I don’t open my mouth to say anything that isn’t useful or that I consider appropriate. And as for opinions I will only express mine if asked or even demanded (!), otherwise I’ll sit quietly, make up my own mind and be contented with that. To be honest, I don’t enjoy that other people ask my opinion much…
Hi Elsa,great to see you bigging up Saturn - i have a Saturn Venus contact and your right it’s hard to track down positive stuff! I have to admit the whole idea of holding back opinions till asked is a little alien to me (ok alot) but i’m a gemini ASC and Mercury opp Uranus, that said i can see that a Mercury Saturn approach may be much more constructive in large organisations than my particular brand of communication which is sometimes seen as upsetting the apple cart
I have a wide square between Mercury and Saturn - I am horrified whenever I make a mistake (mainly verbal/written), and 90% of the time, tend to be very careful about what I say. The rest of the time, I’m like Mercury without boundaries - I have Mercury in Aries, so maybe that’s it - sometimes, I just can’t help myself, it’s going to be said, come hell or high water (even if I end up in hot water).
Yesterday, I made a mistaken assumption about another person - this was on the internet, and in front of several people… I didn’t mention any names, and when I realized that I’d made a mistake, I posted that as well, but I was *mortified*. Even though I deleted, there is a way that it still shows up for a few weeks (it’s a bug in the system, on the website). There are so many people who would just shrug this off, if it happened to them - especially since this is the internet, and relatively anonymous - but it’s still on my mind. I tend to over-compensate when it comes to feeling guilt - Saturn squares my Jupiter, Pluto and Mercury.
On the flip side, I seem to be quite the International Woman of Mystery. You wouldn’t believe how many people have called me “mysterious” when I don’t see myself that way at all - my Mother even laughed, when I informed her of this.
I hold back until asked (sat sextile merc) but when asked it comes out whether you like it or not (merc conjunct mars)
Gem… you and I. Peas in a pod.
Angela - your post went into the spam filter (got blocked)… ha ha Saturn.
But I dug you out so merely a delay.
I think you are new here - Hi. We love Mars with Mercury around here, make no mistake!
When I was an insurance agent for a big company I was like that with my big mouth, and I may have rubbed a few people the wrong way, but the higher ups really seemed to like me. I mean our second highest boss who was the only one who was ever seen by us workers except in really big meetings, would always stop by my desk and say ‘hello’ as me how I was doing. And even the managers said ‘hello’ to me usually.
That was the best company to work for. I had to leave because I moved with my now husband, but I always remember that company very fondly. They taught me so much about never being afraid to ask questions, and how to assert myself.
In social situations I will rarely be totally honest about things that I know people don’t want to hear, even if they outright ask. But I won’t lie. I try to say things tactfully. So many people just blurt without asking, and I too see that as a boundary breech. I am very defensive of my boundaries.
Mercury conjunct Saturn here. I totally agree with everything you said.
people will sometimes say (after asking me something), “oh, maybe I shouldn’t have asked that.” I tell them they can ask me whatever they want. I’ll tell just about anyone, just about anything if they only ask. and it will be the truth.
but then, I have trouble asking people stuff. I may even really, REALLY want to know but I don’t want to pry. I’m not sure how to get over that. I think I may need to be working on it.
pisces mercury, scorpio mars (3rd house).
Word up dudes,
Just to say Albert Einstein, Mercury conjunct Saturn in Aries…
http://www.astrotheme.fr/en/portraits/GXxqe7b32k6z.htm
What a dumbass (not)!
Paul
Sounds like some very good advice Elsa. I often talk “normally” in social settings and some people who know I am a counsellor seem to read more into what I am saying and get all entwined in feelings when all I want is connect with others. Sometimes that means not saying anything or very little at least. (boring) Its like I gotta walk on egg shells around them. I feel like yelling to them “I am not analysing”. You are right on the money with regard to therapizing without contracts Elsa. That can feel like an assault for a person.
There is a technique that psychotherapists use called Extractive Identification which I find widely incorporated into personal Astrology readings. Its like pulling something out of the client and reflecting that back without allowing the person to arrive at the insight themselves. The client can feel ripped off, if there is less care in the application.
kingsley
I find mirroring usually works very well. Kingsley- are you saying that one should let a person arrive at the insight themselves? I would agree with that.
Maybe Saturn could be like the wall that others can bounce a ball [mercury] off?
Mercury squared Saturn on one side and Mars on the other. Must be why I like it so much around here.
I think this is a fascinating concept - that people with self control have more to ofter if you bother to ask. I’ve come to really appreciate Saturn over the years and I think it has a lot to do with all I’ve learned about it here. Love your balancing act Elsa.
Extractive Identification is not really mirroring Spinner. Think of working on the floor using a soft voice with client who is regressing, the use of the technique allows other kinds of insights to arise where they would be otherwise defended against. If the client is not ready or the therapist goes too quickly there is a kind of dissociation.
I am all for doing astrology readings on floor level, astrology readings are great for inspiring a sensing, intuitive and somatic part of ones personality to come out amongst the reflective visualisation. Somewhere in that area (zone) if the timing is right, the extractive identification can be safely implemented. Its not something all counsellors use but it helps to decide whether one will use the technique or not and how they intend using it.
kingsley
I think if you write a public blog, that is clearly intended to be a one-to-many experience, you should expect to be judge and psycho-analyzed.
If that is your intent, as opposed to a one-to-one exchange, then you are asking people to spend time on you. And time is money.
People then get the right to debate if they are getting their “money’s” worth. Just that point of what you said, that’s valid to me … you say you didn’t ask them … but I think that kind of you did.
Thanks Kingsley. If I had not asked the question I wouldn’t have found out what you know. I don’t know anything about extractive identification so I am happy that I was able to find out more about this from you.
I like language and words and putting them together in different ways. I find that the way that people use words is very interesting. As well as learning about astrology, I visit this blog because I find Elsa’s writing and the huge variety of comments here very interesting.
Your sentence ‘Its like pulling something out of the client and reflecting that back without allowing the person to arrive at the insight themselves.’ is really cool, but also puzzling.
I can see now that even though you have used the word reflecting that it’s not a mirror.
I have Mars in Gemini so my mind bounces around a lot and I have infinitely more ideas than I could ever express via type. If I could type as fast as I think…wow wouldn’t that be something.
Some examples. Elsa, can you relate to this one? Did you ever visit one of those barber shops where they had big mirrors on opposite sides of the room and there in front of you were hundreds of images of you and everything else in the room going off into infinity?
Or how about the character in ‘Breakfast of Champions’, Kilgore Trout called mirrors leaks, because he thought that you could leak through them to another world and when someones said they were going to take a leak well that meant that they were going to steal a mirror. That was Kurt Vonnegut’s most popular book, but certainly not his best.
Althera- I am not sure if people can expect to debate whether they are getting there money’s worth at Elsa’s blog. I am sure that her writing is worth a lot more than she is earning in tips. It’s kind of like asking her a penny for your thoughts and than not being happy with the answer. Aside from the wonderful cookies she get’s to eat once and awhile, I think that she get’s a lot more out of giving then she does from receiving.
This makes sense. Why volunteer information if they don’t want to know it? Sometimes I do operate that way (Mercury trine Saturn). Though other times, the Sag moon wins out.
I have Mercury in Virgo, unaspected no less. I’m diagnosed OCD; THAT’S a definite manifestation of a Virgo Mercury with no boundaries (aspects).
There’s two distinct theories about unaspected planets: they’re either submerged, or they run away with the chart. You can guess what mine does/did.
Saturn already conjoined my Mercury before it went retrograde. It’ll definitely be interesting to see what happens when it makes its second pass. I got mounds of criticism for my sharp tongue during the first pass. Tone it down, will ya?!?
Spinner … I hear what you are saying. But my point is that there is more than just the straightforward exchange of effort and money. In the case of the web in general, people spend time on sites. And a lot of web business who are selling information, translate viewers time-on-website into profit via ads. Like television and radio.
I think so long as I am continuing to spend time on viewing something, and not “changing the channel” … I get to have a say on my contribution in making that thing profitable. Of course I can also stop caring and change the channel.
Secondly, if someone asserts themself as a public figure of a form, and is taking up public space … yeah, they are then also subject to public opinion. Standing up on a stage, talking loudly, and drawing attention to yourself full well knowning you are standing in front of an audience, and then saying, “who asked the people in the audience to make comments on what I did up on this stage and why I did it?”
I think the person on the stage did. When that person put his/herself up on the stage. It’s kind of the point of getting up on a stage in the first place.
i know someone with mercury opposite saturn who has no idea when to stop talking, or even what’s relevant to say in a conversation. extremely frustrating to talk to, but their mercury is square my mars/asc, so they may just project on me (or vice versa).
personally, i have mercury trine saturn, and i relate to this. i don’t volunteer information normally. if i do, i feel awkward afterwards and i end up retracting the statement or whatever. i have mercury in 9th and jupiter ruling my 3rd, so i’m known for being brutally honest and giving too much information when i AM asked. but i do have boundaries.
you make a very good point Althera!
i always say that with me the trick is to ask the right questions
i feel like i’m incapable of not answering a direct question, actually. like i’m forced to speak. it can be kind of odd. but mostof the time i keep my own counsel… in groups of people anyway. (11th house saturn square 9th house mercury.)
(apparently my IQ maxed out the measurement range of the test they used. so i don’t know what it is. and i’m actually happier that way, oddly…)
and, yeh, i often think things through pretty slowly, but once i’m done, i’m usually pretty darn sure about them. and i’m certainly no dummy
I’ve got Sun-Merc-Saturn conjunct trined Neptune, and sometimes I really just cannot shut up.
I’ll be trying extremely hard to get my point across and have no clue whether the other person is understanding me at all or has tuned out or what, and here I am slogging along feeling like I’m rambling but not able to shut my yap without some indication that my thoughts have been received (and, therefore, somewhat validated). It’s quite frustrating, because I’d really prefer to say it once, have it understood, and get on with my life.
But, yeah, I try not to offer opinions / advice / solutions unless asked and then let fly with both barrels. ‘Cause you can be damned sure I’ve been watching and have my own conclusions.
Oh!
Another upside: Although I’m not a slow thinker (I also tested pretty danged high on the IQ scale), I tend to mull over and select my words carefully so that the meaning is as precise and easy to parse as I can make it.
Not that it helps with Neptune in the mix. *laughs*