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Astrology And Character Assassination: Who Does It and How Do You Deal With It?
Astrology in real life
Speaking of popularity as we have over the last week, there are two people in my life who have recently had their character assassinated in their communities. I guess you might say these two are “darkly popular” and I had conversations with both of them this week from opposite sides of the issue.
I asked one of them what kind of person does this to another? What is going on inside someone who lies about a series of events to devastate another person’s reputation with malice?
A few days later the other person asked me, “How do you deal with it when someone tells someone else things that are so bad the other person wants nothing to do with you? How do you deal with the emotion of that?” I told her my method but what is yours if you have one?
Say you break up with someone and they run around the town with a bunch of stories about you that are remote from the truth. And for whatever reason, maybe they get the jump on you or maybe you are not around to defend yourself or maybe they are just stupendously convincing, the people take on the distorted reality and you become the designated absolute shit head. What do you do? How do you deal with the emotion?
Have you ever had your character assassinated? Have you ever strung someone else up? What are the astrological correlations? Who is most likely to victim and who most likely to be perp?
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I’ve been on the receiving end, never on the giving end. I really don’t have the time or the energy to waste being nasty to people. Life is for LIVING, not for crap like that.
As for the people who did it, the people who knew me and loved me for who I was never believed them. People who didn’t know me from beans, and who were stupid enough to believe their crap, were not people I wanted to be associated with. I’ve been proven right time and time again.
Jealous, insecure people focus on me like a magnet, and it’s probably because of my carefree attitude. I simply don’t get caught up in the pettiness that other people (mostly very insecure women) thrive on. Leo Sun and heavy 5th house emphasis, and Aries rising.
I had my character assassinated a couple of years ago. My ex-bf went around telling stories about me spreading sexual disease and being an unreliable cheat. He broke into my house, broke into my email and ‘warned’ all my friends and new boyfriend for my evil character. (the new boyfriend was convinced :-() He also paid visits to my parents and grandparents. I was not around to defend myself - I had moved to a different country
In fact, I did have an affair, but nothing compared to his stories. So, I suppose what goes around comes around, but the way it did was devastating. Thank god, my friends and relatives realised I would not do the things he said I had done. It was a very scary time though. I coped by completely shutting off from the evil-doer and trying to keep my heart open for positive messages in my direction.
Jealous insecure people focus on faultlessly confident and inexplicably nice people. Aka Leos. I definitely had a spiteful fascination with a Leo girl who had the man I wanted. She had long shiny black hair, was well versed in literature, and could do no wrong.
P.S. Is this guy correct?
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_055.html
I don’t care enough about a problem to make a systematic effort to destroy anyone. The most I ever do is, “Tell me when you want me to do something, and I’ll do it.”
I’ve had it happen to me- in a really really bad way. I worked in this tight-knit volunteer group- and I’d always been the recognised leader, but I never made a big toot over it. When I’d pulled the other leader aside and told her that she was displaying childish behavior and treating some with favoritism and others with disdain, she promptly put me on ‘enforced vacation’ (Yes, she had the power to do that), and proceeded to tell everyone that I was a brooding, heartless social malcontent who was on depression medication but needed a lot more, and that I said all these terrible things about my friends. The sad part is, they all so readily believed whatever she said, though I could see it for this…really rudimentary form of manipulation. it was so pathetic that I couldn’t get over my shock that people would just ignore thir personal history with me and suddenly believe that someone they’ve known as perky, friendly, humble and helpful was suddenly a girlish version of the unibomber. It threw me into a depression for a couple of months, but…I don’t tend to lie down quietly.
I began a very open and yet underhanded attempt to remove her from her position. I spoke with others one-on-one, got their real opinions, consulted the head of our organization to let him know the real goings-on of our department, offered physical proof. I had people on the inside feeding me the latest gossip that she was spreading. I didn’t tell the head what to do, I simply offered evidence, quotes and advice on how to handle her (she really was just the most childish person I’ve ever known), and my help if they should choose to fire her. In the end, after she slipped and attacked the Head, they fired her. I suffered quite a lot from her ‘favorites’ in teh following months, but eventually people got over it. Sometimes, some of them still feel the need to say something like, “I like HER, but I don’t approve of what she did.” But eh, I was open about going against her, she just underestimated my influence.
But now I’m good. *Grins* And no one in that group underestimates me anymore. Not that I’ll ever work with their traitorous ***** again.
Dina, I don’t know if he is right. I don’t think in those terms.
my ex did that. i was too tired to go out and talk to people because i was in my first trimester. i asked one person if he’d been saying that i was as crazy as all of his exes now (every single ex story of his involves a “she’s so crazy” theme) and she said yes. and maybe she did something about it, because a light bulb seemed to go off in her head when i asked.
i went away to stay with my family. i came back some years later and nobody really seems to have paid much attention to him. at least, at this point, they don’t act as if they did. he did go around screwing over a lot of people, though. managed to get the fire marshals to shut down one of the favorite coffee shops in a fit of pique, that kind of thing
i was really uncertain about trying to talk to people again, though. shouldn’t have been so worried.
so i guess that gives me a little more faith in the rationality of the people i know here. perhaps people in general but i’m not sure i’d go that far.
It’s been done to me, and actually invariably by females of the Aries and Scorpio persuasion:o)
I don’t see the need to do it to others.
I understand and have compassion for people’s shortcomings, even if they happen to rub me the wrong way. I don’t take it (very) personally, I rather try to see it as circumstantial - a clash of personalities. Sometimes the way one is in the world pushes other people’s buttons. It’s just bound to happen when individuals come together, and I can deal quite well with that (at least rationally). This apparent stoicism obviously tends to irk the perpetrator even more - which I must admit I think is hilarious!
On the other hand, I freely admit to feeling some resentment sometimes, since I have an abundance of Libra and want to be treated fairly!;)
“Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much”. - Oscar Wilde - a Libra!:)
It’s pure passive aggressiveness, but it’s true:o)
That has happened to me more than a few times. In social life, if someone is my friend and knows me, they won’t believe things like that. In work life, that becomes more difficult. Some people are content to be led around by whatever story is more convienient or exciting. I can’t do anything for people like that. Keep on being me and trying not to let it get to me.
One time an ex went around spreading rumors about me, and they ranged from more believable to incredibly hilarious. For instance he told people that I had begged him not to leave, which wasn’t a logical thing to believe but not so far fetched really. Then he told people that I was in a mental institution and *snort* a vampire. Five years or so after the fact I was still getting calls from old friends telling me, “did you know x is saying you are a vampire?” Just goes to show you that some people will believe anything.
I’m a pisces so I was secretly quite proud of the vampire rumor. Mwha hah hah!
Ooo, I forgot to clarify, x who was telling I was a vampire five or so years afterwards was not my ex, just someone who had heard the rumor.
A guy (who didn’t get a 2nd date with me) then proceeded to spread rumors around that I had sex with an entire rock band from NY that my band had shared a bill with.
I was totally unaware of this until a friend told me. I just ignored it. I figured the people who knew me would get a laugh out of how ridiculous it was and the people who didn’t know me - I didn’t really care what they thought.
I didn’t confront the guy because I had issues with confrontation/conflict (I was 17 or 18 at the time) but also because I thought the whole thing was pretty absurd and hilarious.
Pluto was going through my 10th house at the time.
That’s the only character assassination that I know about.
I kinda wish it involved vampires.
ps assassination has 2 asses — who knew?
yes, it’s happened to me and my family, actually; we were betrayed by another family member whom i loved (and still do) and whom we’d gone to great lengths to help and support…the trust is totally shot, not surprisingly. it became clear during the time i was going through pluto transit in the 4th house.
For all of you that have been betrayed,there is a book called ‘The Sociopath Next Door’. It is written by Martha Stout,a ph.d who treated the victims of and the sociopaths themselves.She gives good advice as how to deal with people who go around and do these things with no guilt whatsoever.Apparently 4% of the population have no conscience.It’s all about the game with them.So if trashing your rep serves to help them play the game,so be it.They really don’t care if it hurts you.It’s a great book and helps put perspective on these trying situations.
“Have you ever had your character assassinated?” Yes I have. I simply said nothing to defend myself and guess what? Each and every last person who did that has since self-combusted. I don’t fuck with people, which is how I get most people (bar a few coke-head assholes) on side. Assassinate away.
You know, this has never happened to me and I don’t know what I would do or feel if it did. I mean a little, “she’s an alcoholic” does not constitute character assassination… I just wonder what is in a chart that makes a person a target for this sort of thing. I get attacked but that is also very different from a systematic attack on a person’s reputation.
Come to think of it maybe it is hard aspects to planets in the 10th or the like.
i have hard aspects to saturn in the eleventh. and so it’s usually my social rep that gets hammered. but good. awful. this is the first time people have still been civil to me after someone has come in and smeared me. i guess going out and finding friends rather than staying with the people around me (like at school, for the most part) makes a big difference.
“I just wonder what is in a chart that makes a person a target for this sort of thing.”
Late 2001 I experienced this to the extreme. My roommate at the time accused me of coming on to him and kissing him, a gal I worked with told everyone in the vicinity I was a whore, and a guy I stopped dating also told all and sundry that I was (a) (b) and (c). (Other kinds have happened since then: usually someone who hates me arbitrarily and so tells all kinds of lies about who I am and ‘what I’m like.’)
The common theme was that all three of them were lying about me. I don’t really know what was going on in 2001 (I didn’t study astrology then) but I think it was Saturn in Taurus (and so conjunct my Sun, which opposes my MC).
In the midst of the shit I heard something from all 3 of these people that I’ve never forgotten: They told me I act like my shit doesn’t smell. That was the first time in my life I thought about *myself.* I felt extremely victimized for a period and then realized that, actually yes, I was the common denominator. So why would people arbitrarily rip me apart socially?
Hindsight has taught me that all 3 of these people are extremely EXTREMELY insecure…my ’shit doesn’t smell’ vibe is likely my Capricorn Moon which squares my Pluto.
I may come clean with my emotions and thoughts as the moment calls for it but by and large my public face is not one of a person who is cowering. I think that makes certain souls want to tear. you. down.
“They told me I act like my shit doesn’t smell”
kashmiri, you come across as very humble to me. Humble, learned and loving.
Maybe these scenarios sound small…but in the case of the roommate I was living with him, his wife, and their new baby. He was a serial cheater and so to have him tell everyone, including his wife who I was close to, that I was some kind of whore was devestating. I chose not to defend myself (my M.O. usually). The situation was hell. I basically had no home and fell into a rabbit hole.
Here is the truth. Disbelieve it if you wish but my course is now permanently altered in this relationship and that is what I need to grieve.
OMG, Anon! I go around telling everyone to read that book. You rock!
o thanks Elsa that’s very kind! I think I am as well, which is why it hurts to have someone who you think is close start yelling from the housetops that you are not.
I loved my old roommates. Even that man, jeez. I blew back into town with nothing on my back and he and his wife found me a home, a job, were my friends, and then he stabbed me in the back repeatedly.
And she is a triple Gemini. Poor bugger. We still love each other but never get to see each other as she is still with him and he still freaks out if my name is mentioned.
Kashmiri, I am a capricorn moon too. I wonder if this is a common thread for this situation. Also, Elsa mentioned the tenth house? My tenth house has venus and that circle with an “x” in it. (Sorry that one isn’t in my astrology books) but there are no squares or anything like that. My venus trines mars and neptune, it’s part of a grand trine in earth.
I am often the victim of character defamation and I also have a capricorn moon. hmm. it’s square my venus… but my tenth house is untenanted.
Amethyst– that circle x is the part of fortune, a mathematical point figured using your sun, moon and ascendent. I’ve had good luck googling “part of fortune”.
When gossip becomes political or used in a political way, one is drawn in to fight somehow. Unless that is, one just lets it go. So what! People can say whatever they think about me. It doesn’t worry me until that is, someone seems to do that “hazing” thing. Passive agressive manipulations-communication (in my direction). That sort of thing may or may not achieve some kind of affect on my good nature.
Someone wanting to draw me into an absurd ‘game’ where the hope is, that I eventually stuff up and I get pinned with something or other. The other person is then vindicated and perhaps I am in the bad books. Its a bit like grade 4 school days.
I can smell a rat from a mile away but jeez, eventually others start to sniff the same smell too. Some people know how to be the victim and then switch to bully mode and visa versa. Frankly my neck gets a crick looking back and forth. What do they really want?
It is always very interesting to me, how a person working this way, comes up with something or other next time. Either way one goes with these types, one is bound to be damned.
Its a bit like walking on egg shells
kingsley
I had someone tell some hurtful lies about me in the past and it made me angry and hurt. I let it go. This woman was constantly surrounded by drama, and she wanted to drag me into it. I don’t like to play games period!(saturn in Cancer, in the 5th) The people that know me know what this woman was saying about me were lies, she has substance abuse issues piled on top of mental illness, so I could clearly see were her behavior was coming from…….. It sucked but that situation took care of itself…. I always wonder if being raised by pacifist made me so mellow with passive tenancies or if it’s the something in my chart like Jupiter in the 1st house.
Do I have a story about these kinds of people!
I had a nut for a roommate when I was a freshman in college.
This girl definitely fit the profile: very timid on the outside, but very manipulative and would do anything, and I mean anything, to get her way.
She was a Pisces, Virgo Moon, Aries Mars. Her Sun was closely square Neptune and widely conjunct Venus. Very interestingly, she, and the other nastiest woman I ever met, both have Sun/Venus conjunct! I know not all Sun/Venus people are like these two, but I couldn’t help notice the sickly-sweet fakeness they both had in abundance…)
Even though she wasn’t my original roommate, she didn’t like me from the start and was plotting from Day One to get me thrown out of the room! Unbelievable.
One day, I came back from a football game, where I was supposed to meet the guy I was dating at the time. He stood me up. So I was crying like crazy, and threw my doll out in the hall, because I was so upset. No big deal? Wait. Here’s where it gets good…
She went to the RA and told the woman that I had some kind of mental illness just because I did that. What? I’m not allowed to be upset or angry? Huh???
Well, after that, I absolutely refused to speak to her, and the atmosphere in there was just awful. The windup was, our hall leader found HER unreasonable, not me, and SHE had to move out. Hey, I wasn’t budging! I wasn’t going to let her get away with spreading lies like that. It wasn’t her business to judge me OR my supposed “mental condition”!!!
She got her “revenge”, so to say, a few years later…I applied to be a hall leader , and she was in tight with the woman who chose them (who was the same one who mediated the nonsense from before!), so naturally, I wasn’t picked.
I didn’t care in the end, because I roomed with great friends, and we had a blast.
I was pretty naive about how crazy people could be. That’s the Leo and 5th house again.
Another thing I noticed…every single person I got into major battles with, including this crazy and all the other crazies I tangled with, had their Mars touch my Moon…square, opposite, or conjunct.
A couple of other stories which I’ll just touch on: A few years ago, a sister-in-law tried to sic Child Protective Services on me…unsuccessfully. Another guy tried to play the “she has a mental illness!!!” card on a message board I frequented, and people drove him off the board. I was vindicated both times. Same with this other crazy girl. When will these jealous freaks learn? Don’t mess with Leos, unless you want permanent claw marks!
(Sorry this got so long.
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i think you’re on to something, elsa, at least for me. i do have a tenth house moon, with a number of squares and hard aspects, including one to sat. in the 7th. i also have a moon sq. pluto, and have had this become particularly apparent through pluto transits.
and come to think of it, many of the times i’ve dealt with these issues have been directly or indirectly connected to mothering in some way. in fact, all of them i can think of…they weren’t little, gossipy things, either.
i guess it helps knowing what to expect. i wouldn’t have thought to search my chart for the propensity to get hit with this sort of thing.
Amethyst, my 1st House Cap Moon squares Pluto as well as my Venus/Mars conjunction. (also has aspects to MC, Uranus, Sun, Mercury).
Maybe it’s easy to assassinate Capricorn because symbolically it represents Authority and it’s a rebellion?
I don’t know.
I learned a lot from my situation with my old roommate. Before I had constantly found myself embroiled as some kind of mediator for couples/friends of two in conflict. Willing to take on everyone else’s problems, especially if they were a mental case.
Now that I’m learning more about Moon/Pluto contacts I can see where this stems from. It began with me standing between my mum and grandma when they fought, trying to mediate when I was only 8 years old. I’m sure this pattern has been happening for many of my lives before this one.
So I’m grateful for my psycho roommate. A person will just keep having crisis after crisis until they get to the root of the problem (which I’m sure in my case is Moon/Pluto).
I’ve had problems with this, although not so much since I’ve “grown up.” I’ve attributed it to Sun/Saturn conjunction, but my Mars/Venus/Pluto conjunction is opposed my MC, so maybe there’s something in that, too. My tenth is empty.