Apr
12

“We Fight Because I Am Stupid” - Mercury In Aspect To Mars And Saturn, Natal Chart And Synastry

Astrology in real life

alkaseltzerfizz.jpg I never finished writing about the big fight I had with the soldier and the truck wash and the gay man and the blonde but we were talking about it a couple days ago. Mercury (communication) in aspect to Saturn creates difficulties in this arena.

If you have this in your chart you may feel something is wrong with how you converse. The soldier has these planets in aspect along with Mars (that’s the fight part) but we also have Mars, Mercury and Saturn mashed up between our charts so this is always, always our number one challenge and actually the only one we face…

“Why do we fight like we do?” he asked.

“I don’t know. I have a really hard time communicating with you. I just struggle sometimes.”

“Well, P, it’s because I’m stupid.”

“Oh for Godsakes.”

No, I am stupid. I just don’t know what you’re talking about sometimes. Like that last fight. I was listening but I just had no idea what you were talking about.”

“You’ve got to be kidding me. I thought that was the best… that was the clearest I have ever communicated the problem in our lives.”

“Yeah, well I just didn’t understand. I can’t understand what you’re telling me and the reason is stupidity.”

“Can’t be.”

“It can and it is. That last fight was no different then when we were fighting about you getting on the motorcycle on our second date.”

“How?”

“Well you were saying all this stuff and I didn’t know what the hell you were talking about. You were talking about women and orgasms. I didn’t know anything about that! What did I know about how women have orgasms? You had to show me all that. It was you taught me all about that. I didn’t know the first thing about it when I met you and here you are going on and on. What the hell is she talking about I wondered. What is she saying? I’m sure it’s interesting but I don’t understand a word of it.”

“Um…”

peanut-butter.jpg“Yeah, P. 2 weeks later you had shown me some things. You taught me about sex and I put it together. This, that, the motorcycle, vibration… oh that’s what she meant. I figured it out in about 2 weeks. That’s how long it took me because I’m dumb. Your boyfriend is dumb, P. He’s a dumbass.”

No response.

“So you shouldn’t be surprised when there is a 2 week delay in me figuring things out. We should consider that normal. It’s normal between us. Look P. I almost died eating peanut butter. I’d never seen the shit. I didn’t know what peanut butter was. What’s this? I didn’t know so I filled my mouth completely full of it and almost died like that, choking to death. Is that not stupid? And I put that whole Alka Seltzer in my mouth that time thinking it was an aspirin. That almost killed me too; at least I thought I was dying with all this foam coming out my mouth.”

I laughed.

“Yeah, the dumbass puts a whole Alka Seltzer in his mouth. Who does this shit? Nobody! Everybody knows what peanut butter is, everybody but me. So I’m just saying if I can figure out what you’re talking about within 2 weeks, well that’s pretty good. We should just accept this and try to be all right with it. Because besides sheer stupidity, I just speak too many languages and between the two of these things I just can’t do any better. I am not from here. I come from another country and I come from a farm and there are all kinds of things I don’t know just like I didn’t know about women and their orgasms when I was 19. Most 19 year olds probably knew something about that but I did not. So this is what I think the problem is. Your boyfriend is stupid and you just don’t know it.”

~~

I was talking to a pal about this the other day and was stunned when she confided she has the same problem.  She grew up speaking another language with various frills and to this day she struggles to communicate.  I have a feeling this is more common than people think. Is it?  Do you have Mercury and Saturn in aspect?


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13 Responses to ““We Fight Because I Am Stupid” - Mercury In Aspect To Mars And Saturn, Natal Chart And Synastry”

1.
doublecappy
doublecappy

Oh great. I have a date tomorrow with a guy who grew up in another country, on a farm, speaking another language.

Will report back.

(And I still don’t even know his sign yet; it’s killing me!)

 
2.
kashmiri
kashmiri

ohhh. that makes my heart somersault. I feel really bad for people in this boat! Oh wait…I am in this boat. And I have Mercury square Saturn. And opposed Uranus, for godsake!
Communicating can be a bit of a nightmare for me. I skip entire sentences sometimes..concepts. The things that people need to understand me.
Writing is much easier for me than talking some days.

 
3.
Loonsounds
Loonsounds

I don’t usually get goosebumps unless I am cold or something, but I had responded to the top one before I read this one and some of the overlaps gave me a brief case of goosebumps, cool!

For one thing, I didn’t realize or remember The Soldier was from a foreign country with a foreign language as a first language, and yet something in your writing drew out that example about India and language glitches. This poor guy, there I am intimating that he is smokin’ you a little bit, maybe not the case at all! It might really be a language thing. that’s wild.

then the Mercury Saturn aspect comes in to the discussion, and that is very interesting too, because that is one of two primary aspects in my chart terms of how close they are, and applying. I have Saturn retrograde at approximately 18 degrees Scorpio in the 8th house opposite Mercury in Taurus at about 17 degrees moving forward, so they are applying to each other as well, and tightly. (The sun is there with Mercury at 9 Taurus).

Most definitely I feel that something is wrong with how I converse, but mine is in speech per se. I have a slight to medium (but, [to me], extremely disconcerting) speech impediment. Some people notice it more than others do. Some times it is worse than other times, and I have been able to work around it. I can be understood well enough(I was even a college professor for years). But I have it, oftentimes I feel that it is the bane of my existence. Merc/opp/Sat

I don’t share The Soldiers seeming low self esteem regarding intelligence; I think I’m pretty brilliant cuz I am ;-). However, OTHER people oftentimes have “found something wrong in the way I converse.” That is both in speech and in writing, and rarely has it been the case that I was out to upset (at least definitely not THAT much), OMG you would not believe the problems that have come to me from my talking (to my undregraduates, for example), and my writing.

Usually the thing I have said that got me in whatever trouble it got me in at the time was the un-sugar-coated truth. And I got fired from a job for refusing to lie but insisting to speak the Truth because I thought it was important.

The plot thickens on the pattern with The Soldier.

 
4.
kashmiri
kashmiri

Loonsounds–that was great! You reminded me of my serious lisp I had when I was under 10. It was how I said ‘S’.
I placed my tongue tip to the right rather than the centre and my whole jaw would move when I tried to say a word with ‘S.’

It got tormented out of me! My sisters teased me so bad I knuckled down and forced myself to stop. And it totally makes sense: my mercury is in a T square with Uranus and Saturn.

 
5.
Elsa
Elsa

Loonsounds - answering part of your question on a new blog and just for clarity - The soldier does not have low self esteem. He does not think he is stupid in *that way. He’s been IQ tested and knows that he is a near genius. He is however, a very, very humble man except for when it comes to who is going to win the fight. ;-)
Not our fights, but the fight in general.

 
6.
wyrdling
wyrdling

i often have this issue- i think of things to say looong after the conversation is over. i have a messy feedback loop. sometimes it’s only five minutes, sometimes it’s weeks. either way often the conversation has moved on so i endlessly feel like i have something to add but it would mess things up to try to insert it into wherever the thing has flowed to. a conversation is like a living thing and it needs different food at different moments. by the time i come up with something it’s needs have changed….

but. yeh. saturn/mercury square in fixed signs.

and. i don’t know how many times, reflecting on something, i slap my head and go “oh that’s what they meant.”
it does, however, really help me to be far more aware of cognition and the structure of language because i have to devote so much effort to attempting to get it right and attempting to grasp the gap between the way each unique person uses language.

and i didn’t know anything about women’s orgasms at 19 either. :P

 
7.
Strawberry Fields
Strawberry Fields

Saturn square Merc here.

Yep, I have communication issues.

 
8.
Ro
Ro

Hahahahaha, I am cracking up about those peanut butter and alka seltzer incidents. Awww, that’s really unfortunate, but it makes for good story telling. By the way, he’s no dumbass. He has you, and there’s nothing dumb about that :)

 
9.
Elsa
Elsa

He’s got a genius IQ but I am not supposed to tell anyone that.

 
10.
Toni
Toni

Elsa, what’s his Mercury, in Taurus? A Taurus never forgets!

 
11.
Elsa
Elsa

No, Aries…

 
12.
Amy
Amy

I’ve had my own issues with communications, but I thought it was because of Neptune in the 3rd (or in the 2nd conj the 3rd house cusp depending on the house system used). Sometimes I want to say one thing, I’ll think something, but then the words come out of my mouth transposed or in weird tense. It’s bizarre. I only have a minor aspect between Mercury and Saturn, the semi-sextile, which I think some astrologers don’t even count, so it wouldn’t have even occurred to me to consider that.

Mercury in Aries is a quick thinker (says this Mercury in Aries). :)

 
13.
Sweethiez
Sweethiez

I really relate to The Soldier! I have mercury aquarius in the 8th house square Saturn(scorpio)-Pluto(libra) conjunction in the 5th house. As a kid, I heard a lot of mean things said to me while I was being sweet (maybe too sweet was the problem).. Afterwards I would communicate in a VERY forceful way! Not necessarily by being mean but more blunt and tactless.. and always wanting to talk!! Now I’ve adjusted more and am more willing to listen and understand!! I think I have a very fast mind and I grasp contrete facts pretty easily as I am very logical but I censor my answers a lot… and I ALWAYS review what I’m saying! Like right now after I’m done I will go through it in my mind to see if I REALLY got my message across.. I think all this scorpio energy on my aquarius mercury has gotten me a bit obssessive!! ;-)

 


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