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Astrology And Various Methods Of Protecting And Defending Yourself
Astrology in real life
Amber writes:
“I am interested in your ‘pull the plug’ strategy. Reading over the years it seems that it’s a strategy that you have used (have had to use) more than once, sometimes with more drastic results than others. (In fact in a mild case you used it on me - I wrote you an email in which a joke I made was offensive, and you unsubscribed from my blog without telling me I had offended you! I had no idea!). I do not think I would be capable of leaving a situation without explanation. I do leave situations in a ‘no looking back’ manner, but only after outlining why. I need to communicate. I was wondering, is it energy conservation- or is there another reason why you pull the plug so abruptly?”
Amber - I do it to protect myself. I have written about this before (8th house / Scorpio amputation). I have a difficult life. It is tremendously ungodly difficult whether you can see that or not so if you add to my burden, good bye. And for the record, I have no recollection whatsoever of doing this to/with you which is another defense. Saturn Neptune. I seriously erase things that injure me. These things are gone like a sand castle the tide comes and washes away so consequently I don’t carry hard feelings for anyone which you are probably aware of, as long as you have been reading.
I got this from Henry. He felt you should be nice to everyone, give the benefit of the doubt but if they proved themselves to be disagreeable then you walk. The “without firing a shot” was implied. Henry also carried no bad will to anyone and I am same. I go right to “I could care less” generally within a week of not a day or two. People who know me know this is true, people who don’t would be amazed because it’s damned near a phenomenon.
There is also the Mercury in Libra angle, “If you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing at all.” Mars in Libra hates to fight (except with the lover), Saturn Neptune disappears… put this all together and this is just how I behave. Someone else might blow up your house or set booby traps or produce a smear campaign. I figure 6 of one, half dozen of the other but bottom line, I get hurt and I say “no more of that shit.” I’ve just got too many other problems and I’m not kidding about that.
Specific to you I am sorry if you were hurt and again I have no recollection of this (and prefer not to be reminded) so clean slate if you want, ‘kay?
How do you respond when injured?
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When my feelings are hurt, my Aries Moon kicks in and I yell a lot and storm off. If I’m deeply hurt, I freeze you out, forever. If you say something unnecessarily cruel to me, or if you hurt my family or loved ones, I will just cut off all ties. When I am angry at someone, I can’t even make eye contact with them. I don’t want to see them or hear any explanations. Cancer Sun.
I do have Mars/Pluto some I’m all for amputation…My Taurus Sun/Mercury are very prominent in some cases of injury. Which means I get stunned by some attacks. And I react slowly…
While I can appreciate some people’s need for communication I find some forms of overt emotionalism ridiculous and highly manipulative (and I’m not referring to anything/any person here).
Case in point: I watched a gal from school LOSE her shit because someone else killed a fruit fly. Even though she was eating meat! Hello? I do not feel like I have to be emotional and communicative out of a sense of duty. Please don’t make me call you on your bullshit. I really, really would prefer to stay away and let someone else, lol.
It depends on the nature of the injury, but to give a quick example my SO was teasing me last weekend in the presence of a friend and I reacted by bursting into tears and locking myself in the bedroom…I think I cried about an hour and a half and couldn’t stop crying until the next day (JESUS! Pluto into the 1st anyone?)
So yes I am prone to my own wacky outburts…but I do NOT think everyone will feel the same as me…in fact I am more likely to feel very alone and that no one will understand me (Sun Square Saturn).
If I really cared about how someone was treating me, I’d just ask. I’m pretty good at framing things in a way that doesn’t exacerbate problems so long as the Taurus in me isn’t involved…my Mars/Pluto is actually more of a controlled expression than my natal Sun.
Is that weird? Can anyone relate?
I do the “pull the plug thing” & there is generally no ill will. I have a weirdly amorphous sense of self/ego though, so I only started doing that in my 30’s when my sense of self kind of solidified.
Watch out when someone else is being injured somehow though. Or what I perceive as “the truth” is being injured or an ideal or something.
With my limited astrology knowledge, I feel like I fall back on my Cancer ascendant when I am hurt - I retract into my shell. There’s been a few times when I’ve cut all ties abruptly with someone, but never as profoundly as when I left my first husband. After deciding that I had had enough absue, he left for work one morning never to see me again. I packed what I could carry and made sure that my parent’s phone number and address were no longer in the apartment (my family was living in a foreign country from where we were living). I didn’t have any contact with him until I filed for divorce about a year later. It was very traumatic for me. I’ve heard from mutual friends that it was traumatic for him as well.
I’m thinking you should specify acquaintances here.
Obviously nobody who is functional is going to treat their highly invested personal relationships this way. You have to give the people you dearly love room to occasionally screw up. And if you dump close friends every time you get hurt, you end up with no close friends real fast.
I mean, there are people who even pull the plug on their own kids when their feelings get hurt… but I don’t think that any of us would consider that a healthy behavior.
As far as protecting myself goes: Saturn in Leo has actually been my greatest ally here. The moment someone loses my respect, they lose almost all of their power over me. Sometimes all it takes is for someone to do something really nasty. Voila! They seem worthless to me and it’s no loss to pull the plug on them. There’s also no point in exacting any kind of revenge… revenge is for enemies you respect. Why seek revenge on an insect?
This is a double-edged sword of course… once people get into my inner circle, they’re IN. But that’s pretty common, I think, and goes along with what I said about investment: you’ll let people hurt you if they’re in your circle. That’s just how it works. It’s part of being a social animal… the ability to bounce back from conflict.
“I’m thinking you should specify acquaintances here. Obviously nobody who is functional is going to treat their highly invested personal relationships this way.”
I guess I figure this goes without saying because I do not become highly invested with people who would be inclined to hurt me. I am sorry for how that may sound and it is not personal to Amber who I swear I have no recollection of a conflict. (I am pretty sure she has read my blog(s) for 5 or more years. I am just being candid and I cop to being very sensitive so the people I become close to either are sensitive as well or we just find our way, like my old friend Leon I wrote about recently.
He used to cross lines and hurt me deeply and I would bolt in response. Eventually he/we managed to stop this pattern, it took us about 3 years. Worth it, we have been friends for 25.
But I am what I would call “reactive” especially when stressed as I outlined in the video but while I think I am responsible to keep that in mind, I also think someone who fucks with someone in crisis is looking for the knife and may deserve it. It’s the hall of mirrors I guess. Because if I cut you, you can say “look how reactive Elsa is,” or you might say, “What did I do…?” and discover you were an insensitive cad. Most people do the former. People who look at their own end might end up contacting with an apology which is pretty much what Leon did although it came via his wife.
In whatever case he allowed me to know he was sorry…. regretted hurting me, valued having me at his card games, would try to me more careful with his knife or whatever.
In turn, I loved him too so we’d go back to the table. But if I am getting nothing out of the relationship in the first place then yeah. I am going to cut and run very quickly and if you were in my shoes I bet you’d do the same.
Problem is no one knows my shoes and no one ever will because I’m not going to tell them, LOL. Mostly because if I tell them they don’t believe me anyway so I leave it to the people who can figure things out on their own to be my friends.
Not sure how this sounds and I guess it doesn’t matter because it is the way I am and I like myself pretty enormously. :-O
Ha.
Yes I have done this. I believe it is likely my Saturn in Scorpio.
I have never done this with no warning though, that I can recall anyway. I will try and discuss what it is I find offensive or hurtful and give them a chance because I have been misunderstood enough times. I do like to give people the benefit of the doubt because we all have said things that come across wrong to another. A lie is a different story though. Anyway if they blow their freebie and go for it again, they become what I call a non person.
It isn’t a knee jerk reaction, a person has to earn the dubious distinction willfully. I would like to be detached enough that I don’t have to get into the situation in the first place, but I am not there yet.
I wish I could improve my amputation skills. I’m quite admiring of you. I tend to go through a lot of pain for years with people before walking away. Maybe it’s my Mars in Cancer, maybe it’s all my Libra. My weapon of last resort, however, is Sun conjunct Uranus, which lets me burn a hole right through the cage when I need to (or right through some poor sucker.) I just have to… er, dry out the tinder first.
Usually I’ll freeze, give the person one “how could you?!” kind of look and storm off. And then I sulk. Very mature, I know.
“Very mature, I know.”
Ha ha ha, but I love the drama and at least you’re honest!
I retreat into politeness. I can be so polite you won’t know what hit you.
“Not sure how this sounds”
It sounds like an axe.
Perfectly reasonable in the hands of a decent human being.
Reading through these reactions and coping mechanisms, I’m thinking… it doesn’t sound like any one particular method of dealing with pain makes you a good or a bad person. It’s all in the details of how you pull it off and when you choose to do it.
I’m Southern. Like Becca, I just get very very VERY polite.
Mars in Capricorn. heh. “Let’s observe the proper outward forms, shall we?” And from only feeling obligated to observe proper social behavior, rather than having a genuine connection, it’s relatively easy for me to just allow a connection with a venomous person to fade into nothingness.
Funnily enough, I rarely have to deal with someone who just won’t go away. I’m thinking of The Soldier having to deal with that judge here. That sort of thing just doesn’t happen to me very often.
And another aspect of this is that on the rare occasions when I’ve noticed myself being “ugly” in my behavior, I’ve cut myself off–after an apology–to keep from damaging the other person and myself any further.
hide.
clear.
discuss (if the interaction is important enough to me.)
and leave or fix it.
fixing is hard. saved for the most important things.
when someone has crossed the line a few times with me, sometimes they just become invisible to me. i may say hello how are you, but i will not engage beyond pleasantries. it’s not that i hold a grudge and wish them ill will, it’s just that there is only so much time in this life and you might as well spend it doing things you like to do… with people that you like.
i will stand up for myself but I have never found anger to be very helpful. sure I can become angry but expressing it in the heat of the moment never seems to work for me. i am learning to ask questions. ‘i’m sorry did i miss something, are you upset with me? was it something i said or didn’t say?
also i may seek out some help from someone i love and respect like my partner and replay the scene with them. i find that talking about what went wrong helps. Talking about an event like when you were the recipient or the brunt of some emotional projection or unusual behaviour helps me anyway. It is good when you can do this for each other, sort of a how was your day, you will never believe what so and so said to me today.
the other day i was being pushed and pushed in a conversation and i just sat there doing the rope a dope thing that Elsa talks about until the other person was completely unwound and then said, ‘i am beginning to think that you don’t like me.’ and paused. this caused a wave of apologetic words and laid the groundwork for me to be able to ask, how can i help you?, how can we make this work? this was certainly a breakthrough from the previous sessions with this person.
there is some brilliant comments here. do you ever wish that you did not have to deal with relationship challenges? well than you might as well live in a cabin in the mountains with ‘old yeller’ because when you live and work with other people there will always be challenges. i think it is one of the reasons we are here.
wash, rinse, repeat
I understand the “protection” thing that Elsa talks about but for me it may be for different reasons. Although my moon is in Virgo, when I am hurt , I tend to become evasive. Also, I internalize a lot of my emotions and become very critical of myself. It’s self undoing and I should learn to give myself a break. Usually no one knows that I consciously do this to myself and that I am feeling low. For me it gets right into my “self worth”…..ugh!!
I withdraw and cry like the Piscean that I am but it doesn’t take long for me to forgive. I have “bounce back body” like in the shampoo add LOL. It’s probably a combo of my Aquarian ability to detach and Saturn in oh-just-get-over-it-Sadge. However, my Saturn is 8th house so I never forget who has done me wrong.
in amongst the crap, having totally given up on any prospect of a love life (see initial post), I’ve just met a bloke with moon conjunct uranus in scorpio and i’ve got moon conjunct neptune in scorpio. He’s a pisces and I’m an aquarian. So I guess there’s some kind of mutual reception going on.
It’s all pretty intense which of course I thrive on. But he’s a bit freaked out. Maybe I’m too intense even for another moon in scorpio?
Comments would be appreciated as this feels like the only bright spot in a gruelling period.
sorry wrote this in the wrong bit… was still on saturn transiting pluto in virgo…
but feedback would be appreciated!
No hard feelings whatsoever - I have been reading your stuff for years, and I know that you do things for a reason. It’s the ability to drop and erase which is fascinating to me, and I wish I had some more of it. I would say that because of your difficult life you have been able (forced) to learn these type of protection strategies fast. I wish I had earlier on - I need them now.
I’ve pulled the plug. It’s usually the method of choice. With my relationship with my parents growing up being that I got the cold shoulder if I didn’t fall into their delusions about themselves, I learned that silence often does quiet enough harm. When it comes to defending myself, a cruel gaze and complete cessation of contect works wonders. But when it comes to defending someone I love, I’ll spit, snarl and otherwise scare the bejesus out of someone.
But then, I’m a Scorp. rising, so this is all textbook.
Don’t know why I can’t do this. I give ample warning - then many many warnings. Then I go. I’m forgiving, and I do accept people back. I forgive, and I figure we’re only human - but as far as toxic people . . . yeah, I generally cut them out. I guess what I’m referring to here (giving chances) is my inner circle and then some. No one toxic gets to stay in my life.
But I’ve recently had an ex cut me out. Mad Taurus energy. Yikes! One day, we were talking, the next he needed space, and then bam. . . froze me out. It’s no fun being on that end.