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Voice Of Mars: “From Now Until Forever Plus Relationships And Birth Order In Families… Hero, Scapegoat, Lost Child, Masot
Astrology in real life…
“Don’t you do that again. You don’t ever have to keep anything from me, ever. I don’t care what it is that you need to tell me. From now until forever we’re going to be together and I’m going to love you no matter what. So whatever happens, you just tell me what it is, okay, P.”
“Okay.”
“Yeah, doesn’t matter what it is. I will always love you. Let’s say you become a secret alcoholic? If that happens, that’s okay,” he said with a grinning grin. “I’ll still be here and I’ll still love you.”
I laughed.
“Or if you see some guy and you want to fuck him? If he looks good to you, a neighbor you see… someone around here you like, then no problem with that either.”
I looked at him, shocked.
“Yep, just tell me who it is and I’ll kill him. Yeah, I’ll kill the guy then he won’t be there anymore so no problem. He’ll be gone and I’ll just come around you like this..” He put his hands up to frame his face with it’s wild grin, rocking his head from side to side. “How’s this? Do you like this? This look good to you? How about me?” he said looking crazed like Jack Nicholson or something.
I roared. “If anyone heard you say that they’d be terrified for me. They’d think you were crazy threatening that. Crazy bastard.”
“Yeah, whatever. Do you see what I’m saying? Do you get my point? I want you to know you can tell me anything, anything at all, something you did or you are going to do… something you think or you feel and whatever it is we won’t let it separate us, okay? You get mad in your veins, you just put on your coat but don’t go anywhere because you never stay mad. You always wind up loving me again don’t you? And it doesn’t take long. How long does it take?”
“When I hate you? Couple of hours.”
“Yeah. Couple hours is all you ever hate me for and I never hate you so we should be just fine now that I have a thicker skin. My skin wasn’t this thick when we were young and you’ve matured some too. But yeah. Any bastard who comes around, thinks he going to get between me and you is going to have another thing coming. I will get rid of the motherfucker one way or the other, you can rely on that.”
“Okay, I will rely on that. Because I really don’t like to be bothered.”
“I know you don’t and you shouldn’t have to be bothered. Bother you and fuck with me.”
P grinned. And over the weekend I was thinking about birth order in families.
The soldier is the oldest in his family, I am 3rd in the lost child position. Does anyone know anything about this? Don’t the hero and the lost child tend to pair up? I will say this: It is damned nice to have someone you know will fight for you if you need,even though I can’t imagine ever summoning or calling on him for this.
Does the idea of someone defending you have appeal? What is your family position?
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The idea of that kind of suport for me would feel pretty good; In a conceptual way. Not many people stuck up for me in younger years. Having found my own ways to fight my battles, I would find the “protection” smothering if it affected my independance but it would be really nice to hear that comittment. How would they know where the line is? When I really do need protecting?
kingsley
oh yesssssssss. I was the scapegoat so I guess that makes sense.
I have a lot of oppositions in my chart, so it would make sense that I have a duality in my birth order. I’m not the first child for either of my parents, but I was the last, and the children they had already had from other marriages were grown and living away by the time I came around. So I have some qualities of being a baby of the family, and some of being an only child.
I’ve read a lot about birth order, and the eldest gravitates toward the youngest. Some authors purport that it’s the way your parents treat you that determines your birth-order character, and some say that your interaction with your siblings (or lack thereof) is the deciding factor. I think it’s probably a little of both. (I have Libra and can’t decide.
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Oh, lost child… does that mean you have a younger sibling as well? It’s supposedly rare to pair an eldest child with a middle.
Avery - yes, I have a younger sib. I searched for this… I mean I know there are positions that gravitate to other positions but I don’t know who goes where and could not find a reference. This just occurred to me because it seems to be a good fit. I am in the lost child position and was for the most part until I flipped with my sis and became the scapegoat. In whatever case I am just willing to acknowledge I like knowing someone will stand up for me unequivocally. He states it, I believe him and it’s a shock, very pleasant.
Family dynamics are very interesting. The roles any child takes on depends on the ones already taken. Oldest = recognition for being responsible(grown up)
Youngest = recognition for being the child (dependant)
Middle = recognition for be neither here nor there. (pleaser)
Its not set in concrete though. The roles available include Golden Boy/Girl, Black sheep, Good girl/boy, the peacemaker, etc etc
kingsley
No, I feel uncomfortable when people have to stand up for me. It’s too smothering or something. Makes me want to run away! I like it better when I can defend myself. I will stand up for others though. I’m the oldest child, by quite a bit, and tend to pair up with others who are the youngest child. Actually, my parents have this same dynamic too now that I think about it.
Kingsley, that’s right on for me. My sister is known for being the baby (she’s a cancer with loads of scorpio/pluto), and I’m known for never getting to be the baby (saturn/capricorn everywhere). Argh
That’s so cool, Elsa, I’m glad he’s your protector and champion. It sounds like a mahvelous fit!
I fit the only child description in that every significant relationship I’ve had has been with the youngest kid. Pair me up with an oldest or an only and hoo boy, watch the clash ensue. (Aries Sun fits that me-first deal.)
Hm. I’m the youngest of four, which would make me the mascot; but I’m so much younger than my siblings that I was raised like an only child. I’m not notably dependent, for sure.
I’ve always kinda been a sucker for someone who would fight for me. But I have a bad habit of falling for these rational guys who think everything through before launching straight into battle, and weigh my contribution before immediately taking my side.
Which is something I need more than the defending bit, so it’s okay. But I still maintain my occasional paladin fantasies. And I am the second child of two.
Not set in stone..true… my bro, the oldest, can and will step up to the plate when required, but really is basically emotionally vulnerable, goes his own quirky, creative, generous, non successful (by today’s standards) way, while my youngest sister, also an artist (they’re both Gemini) has always totally been in charge of her life, has forged ahead with successes on every front, despite a traumatic childhood.
Only one that fits is me, the invisible child.
Ana , I have to agree. While I might be initally flattered, it would make me feel awkward if someone else felt they had to speak up for me or defend me, before I had my own say. I will handle myself with men, thank you very much. I’m turned off by jealosy, probably because it’s one of my own Shadows.
On the other hand, I would love it when and if people spoke up, defended me, (pummelled on) when I was being dissed by (former) so called girlfriends, these are the most hurtful to me. But really, what’s the diff?
Its always nice to have someone in your corner even if you know you want ask that off them. Glad you have that Elsa. I think it says alot about who he is too.
Im the eldest and Im a defender. Naturally cant help defending someone Im close to and have a lot of respect for. It gets me too quite a few situtions and trouble but ah well. Cant say I dont like a bit of trouble. My pluto conjunct my scorp sun in the 8th might have something to do with that.
I’m an oldest child. I love a man who will fight for me. My current man is a musician though, not a fighter. He has Aries moon so there’s some fight in there, but it’s mostly talk really.
Becca, there’s another things we share: I’m also the youngest of 4 daughters!
As for having someone protect me, it isn’t something I’ve thought of for quite a while. I grew up in a physical battle zone. Not good. I wish I had had that…but life has grown slightly more charming these days and I really feel like I can take anything.
Except when I have my residual Pluto Conjunct ASC waves…and I don’t want to…still, I could if pushed.
I left home at 16 and had the worst relationship with my mum out of all my sisters. However I got all my resentment out of my system and in true youngest child fashion I am constantly trying to extract myself from the swinging door:one family after the other trying to enlist me to be their defender. Frankly it is exhausting.
On a sweet note, I have 4 (4!!!) very good friends who are also the youngest of 4, so I have A LOT of fun comparing notes/roles. It’s quite fortuitous, as being peacemaker is not actually a fun thing for some (especially a 12th House Neptune/1st House Moon) gal like me.
One last thing: it is very easy to please your parents when you are the youngest. Just don’t leave home early!
I’m the second oldest of six, but the oldest daughter. I am the defender, by far. My older and younger bro would defend me as well (not much age difference really, a year on either side) but it took a lot for them to do it, it had to be imminent danger and only started happening when I was older. I, on the other hand, was the defender of everyone, including the boys. I took beatings meant for them, to spare them. It was a real hard position to be in. My b/f is the oldest of two boys, he doesn’t defend me at all, I defend him. I have always wanted a defender, but I don’t know if I would actually like it if I had one. I’m pretty independent (outwardly). Inwardly I’m a freaking mess.
I attract girl friends with weaker mars placements and am forever on a mission to teach people to stand up for themselves. But when it comes down to it, sometimes I can’t even do it for myself.
I have a half sister who is 13yrs younger but we didnt grow up together and had vastly different upbringings so are both only children of sorts. My partner is the youngest of 4. I’ve always defended myself and even though i wished when i was younger that my parents had of at times, i still dont like a man who does. I think i have this inner man who takes over when i need defending (mars/pluto?) and havent ever needed male input. I’ve always been the defender of my friends too but i was fully grown by 11 so generally bigger than my peers and maybe that sense of being bigger remains in my psyche. My partner has pluto in 1st aswell as mars/sat and scorp so although he’s not macho in looks if confronted he can ‘do the face’ and thats pretty scary in itself. If a man is talking too long to me or flirting he just gives me the look and its up to me to retract myself. Same for him. My sister is very focused and career driven and is one of those people who’s always in the right place at the right time (stellium in sag/cap) so she is the lucky mascot of the family. She does like a man who will defend her (mars/sat also) and her boyfriend (a defender(!) in a football/soccer team) is very protective of her. For me it feels too controlling and i dont like to be controlled, brings out the uranus in me.
I’m the middle and I’m looking for a hero.
TRUE. My boyfriend is very…. different from many guys I met my entire life serious though. I’m scapegoat my family… and he just pushes me to go home day after day.. I used to take it as.. trying to get rid of me. But We got in a crazy fight and he finally fessed up … My whole goal is to get you back home.. and I know you will be happy if you fix things with your family, and NOT UNTILL THEN WILL I BE HAPPY. DON’T YOU GET IT . ahhah I love it.
I’m the baby married to oldest here.