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Saturn Transit Conjunct Natal Pluto: An Apology And Some Clarification
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I didn’t mean to upset or worry people with the blog about Saturn transiting conjunct everyone’s Pluto. It just occurred to me that we as a collective are going to experience this and in an order that is predictable. My thought was that the elders… people who have Pluto in Leo could reassure the next generation, the Pluto in Virgo people who are going through this now which would give the Pluto in Libra folk a heads up, early warning. Instead I created a fear-fest to some degree and for that I apologize and want to try harder.
If you have Pluto in Libra, this doesn’t have anything to do with you… yet. Saturn won’t be in Libra for another two years and surely you have other things on deck.
If you have Pluto in Leo… well, you’re done. And you’re here, right?
And if you have Pluto in Virgo, does it not help to know you are not alone? Your age peers… people who were born within a few years of you are all experiencing this type collapse in some area of your life. Specifically at the moment I am talking about people born in the late 50’s or early 60’s… next year people born mid to late 60’s, and so on. Further, this is a natural process.
The people around me (myself included) are definitely seeing people and / or things go right into the void, however I never said we were not better off because of it. Do you really want to keep your rotting-off arm on your body?
This is like that. If it needs to die or go it is going to die or go and the reason is because it killing / degrading the thing that wants to live. Things change, that is just all there is to it. In whatever case I really am sorry for spreading fear. I had the opposite intention.
I meant to offer the group here an opportunity to become more bonded and cohesive but I think it’s just Saturn-heavy out there and so it’s pretty easy to kick up some dread and I did exactly that and I am sorry.
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I’ll bite. I’m not very knowledgeable about astrology, but I had my Pluto conjunct my natal Saturn about a month before my second Saturn return back in mid 2006. I would say I was ending a period of preparation because, since mid 2006, when this all happened, my life has been improving by leaps and bounds. I quit my second job because I had paid off all the bills I’d accrued when I went to college after my divorce in March 2006. I met the man of my dreams that summer and began dating him exclusively in October 2006. So when they say Pluto breaks things apart, I can see that, but it was actually all coming together for something wonderful. I just had a Jupiter return in Sagittarius along with my Jupiter conjunct Pluto at the Galactic Center. Not being an astrology student, I had no idea this was a big deal, but I knew Pluto was bouncing through my chart all year so I was prepared for the worst. Life has sort of slammed me forever and somehow I feel like I’m surfacing after a long time under water. So I just kept moving forward - that was the trick.
So I don’t know what this means for the rest of you, but I think it was a good thing for me. I guess the lesson I’d emphasize is to learn to recognize the good in everything that happens and use it to grow. I know it’s hard. I have a daughter who ran away eight years ago and I haven’t heard from her (the FBI verified she was alive). My younger brother just had a massive stroke and the whole family is struggling with his disability. My elderly mother is getting very forgetful and I have to deal with that, too. I even wrecked my car in April and had to buy a new one - which wasn’t in my budget. So bad things will always happen, but you can’t dwell on them. Celebrate the good in life. I honestly think my decision to just accept the good in life and not dwell on my problems made this time much easier. You have two choices. You can hang on to the status quo or you can let life evolve - and it will evolve whether you want it to or not. It just hurts less when you aren’t holding too tightly.
Saturn conjunct Pluto is hard work. With Pluto at 15 Leo, I had it in the summer of 2006. I was studying for my national certification exam in massage therapy, which I needed in order to obtain my license. It was a time when I much would have preferred putting my feet up and taking the summer off after an intense 10 months of massage therapy school. But YES! I AM STILL HERE! :-)Going through other stuff, but still here. Life is good. Challenges and hard work make you stronger. (…but I don’t mean that to sound preachy…)
Well, I barely know anything about astrology. I do know that since Pluto transited my natal moon and whatever has been happening to me since, has been MAJOR! I have recreated myself from scratch physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, and financially. So being an astrology dumbass you scared me. I just didn’t want to know what else I was going to be put through.
Pluto won’t be in Libra for another two years and surely you have other things on deck.
Would that be Pluto or Saturn? Sorry, astrological neophyte here.
Ninth - thanks for the edit - yeah, that’s what I meant and I fixed it.
natal pluto conj jupiter in leo 3rd house. The past few years have been incredibly intense, yet not in a way that directly affected me or my immediate family, but rather my extended family (third house) - two nieces with problem pregnancies, one with a premature birth, a parent’s extended illness, siblings with intense home situations -
I have been backup for much of this - I have had to learn that I can’t solve everyone’s situations, much as I may love them; it came down to me managing my own involvement/energy.
Also, I have been able to observe this all happening around me - learned to stand in the still center
My experience shows the importance of the house placement of natal pluto during the saturn transit.
i’ll climb that mountain when it gets here. right now i’m trying to hammer away at saturn approaching my ascendant, and that’s quite enough to focus on right now
dread wastes a lot of energy.
To me this is not what astrology does: predict undefined catastrophe based on an as-yet undefined event. Apocalyptic religion does that. Fearmongering does nothing to solve or transcend anything.
In fact Saturn is a dampening, sobering influence, but only because it is a Teacher. It is not an indicator at all of sudden disaster. There are some great, comforting things about being taught, about having a lesson plan, about having boundaries. You might have musical talent — you need to practice. You might want to start a business - you have to make a business plan, borrow money, set up a store. You might be grieving for something — Saturn says, look, these things happen. It’s part of life.
We benefit greatly from Saturn when he visits us. Imagine Pluto, that great chaotic attractor — a volcanic influence, being channeled by the master of time and space. Imagine great power used constructively. When Saturn conjoins natal Pluto we don’t have the Sorcerer’s Apprentice controlling the wand, we have the Sorcerer himself. The Master Teacher.
And then let’s bring this into the sign of Virgo. Virgo is a healer. She is a midwife, a woman who knows medicine, how to clean, how to care for things on the earthly plane. It seems to me that when natal Pluto is met by Saturn, depending on the house it falls in, lots of intractible problems could get finally solved. Or great chaotic energy could be controlled and channeled to give form to something great, or *necessary* in your life. The process might be painful but the eventual changes could be beneficial, life-changing, even life-saving. Saturn *never* brings anything you don’t actually need. That’s not like him at all. Mercury, Mars — maybe. Venus definitely. Not Saturn.
The suggestion that Saturn conjoining Pluto will suddenly *cause* upheaval to individuals is…well, it’s incorrect. And the process could be entirely internal — you could just see things a new way. That can always be a transit result also.
As a Uranus conjunct Pluto in Virgo person I went and checked Saturns movements - it will be hitting my Uranus later 2008 as Saturn retrogrades right back to the early degrees of virgo first.
To add to nexxusrunner’s sobering post above - it worth mentioning to look for any trines and sextiles Saturn forms whilst comjuncting Uranus and Pluto.
…which is, for me, Jupiter in Cap trining my Uranus conjunct Pluto in Virgo (nice!)before Saturn conjoins them. A silver lining
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The suggestion that Saturn conjoining Pluto will suddenly *cause* upheaval to individuals is…well, it’s incorrect. And the process could be entirely internal - you could just see things a new way.”
Nexxusrunner, you are very right in your observations about the beneficial energies of Pluto and Saturn. Without them there would be no emotional growth.
But if you take a really good look around our society what is glaringly obvious is our collective immaturity. ( I highly reccommend Jessica Murray’s ‘Soul Sick Nation’.)
It really does not take a rocket scientist to see where our society is headed when it’s collective head is up it’s collective ass…..and saying this does not make me a “Fearmonger”….just conscious.
I’ve just found this thread, I hadn’t seen the earlier blog. Just wanted to add my own experience with this transit. I have Pluto at 7 Virgo in the 5th, so Saturn has been over it, and gone retrograde, and will come back during July. I’m learning major lessons about patience - not a strong suit with an Aries moon - in the area of relationships. But they’re lessons I needed to learn, I can recognise that. And I’m shedding all kinds of behaviour patterns and fears that have been holding me back and that are no longer relevant to me (this is coinciding with a Pluto transit through the 8th so we’re talking a major emotional clearout!) I don’t have any dread about it - it’s necessary. Things aren’t happening as fast as I would like them to, but in all probability it’s because I’m not ready for them yet. Virgo is about healing, and this for me is all about transformation through healing, slowly, in layers, and at a pace that is right for me. And yes, the natal placement of Pluto is key - it’s the area of life through which you can transform yourself. If Saturn is a teacher, it’s teaching me how, and it’s a major life lesson for me.
Thinking further about this it’s highly relevant what aspects Pluto makes in the natal chart too. I’m busy doing others’ charts so seldom look at my own, so being reminded that I have the Asc at 7.41 Gemini/Desc at 7.41 Sagittarius, and Pluto almost exactly square the axis at 7.54 Virgo, was sobering! I was clearly meant to deal with Pluto in this lifetime, which I hadn’t, up to now. Saturn hitting Pluto activates that square and Pluto’s generational opposition to Chiron in Pisces (in my 11th house). It’s bringing the life lessons home and the healing is painful, but very powerful. It’s not pleasant to be reminded that I try to take control in relationships, which I was just yesterday by a friend, but it’s essential to have that pointed out to you. We’re very seldom experts at knowing ourselves, so anything that helps that is a gift.