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Open Question: Why Is Scorpio Vilified For Doing The Same Thing The Rest Of The Zodiac Does?
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I think it is because they RELISH the freeze out so.I’ve never had it done but have witnessed it and kinda dug the whole drama.But I have Pluto conj. asc.,so maybe that’s just me.
I think because they can be sneaky and no one sees it coming. And they do it extra harsh in case you want to return rather than simply leaving.
Since all the signs leave relationships when they don’t suit them or meet their needs, why do you think Scorpio is (widely) singled out to be vilified for doing the same thing the rest of the zodiac does as a matter of routine?
“Why does Jesus love the Corps? Because we kill. Everything. We. See. We keep Heaven filled with new souls!”
Naw. That ain’t it. I think it’s mostly because of Pluto (which is rather overrated to begin with); for all intents and purposes Pluto has been syncretized with SATAN! even though Pluto (going by the actual myths) resembles not the Goaty One. (Hades and Tartarus are basically identical to the Sumerian House of the Dead.) Anyways, so astrologers come along and tell people that Scorpio is ruled by Satan and essentially everyone takes an already Martian sign (not the most popular of planets) and makes it ten times worse.
So of course, Scorpios everywhere have to be smartasses about it and mock people by yelling ‘Hail Satan!’ in crowded churches and crap like that.
max
['At least the PR department is on its toes.']
probably because scorpio is singled out for being “evil”, anyway. easy out for the rest of the things people don’t like about humanity.
Great question Elsa. One that I’ve wondered about myself before.
Could it possibly have anything to do with jealousy? I’m just asking. Because, I’ve had folks say to me, “Man, I wish I could just walk away like that, that’s some powerful mojo you got working there.” and other things of that ilk.
I also believe like one of the posters said in the other thread, it’s once the powerful Scorpio focus is lifted there is a real vacumn there, where with other signs shifting focus you might not get the big void.
All I know is on the two separate occasions when I detached I had gotten PHYSICALLY very tired of being sucked into other people’s sinkhole of draining my energy and had to swim back to the brink to make it out alive from the vortex.
Swirly me baby, and I’m outa there!! I’ve left for very good reasons and they were difficult to leave, not joyful or RELISHY at all.
So, the one who has been the support system leaves and their brace is kicked over and so we blame the brace for giving way under the weight, instead of the needy, narcissistic whack job who was all leany???
Seems wonky to me.
I think perhaps–and I’m incriminating my own Scorpio Moon in this–it’s because Scorps tend to be brutally honest. They tend to tell people, in no uncertain terms, exactly why they’re ending their association, where other signs might just stop returning calls or emails and let the relationship fade into the background.
There are people who appreciate the clue-by-four brand of honesty of Scorpios, but I find they are few and far between.
Kate- yes, but it’s a strange sort of honesty. Not direct, like Sagittarius, or apologetic, like Libra, or an axe to the foot, like Aries. Personally, I’ve done my amputations by letter, being very direct, by aversion (the worst route, I think) and by drip, drip, fade…
What I know about the amputation is that I have caught people by surprise and I feel actually guilty about it. Then again I spent most of my life feeling like the world ‘got my signals.’ Turns out they didn’t and I have to speak up after all. You’d think it would be easy for Sag ASC/Cap Moon/Scorpio MC. In fact, I’d rather die than tell people that they are hurting me. I HOPE THIS CHANGES, ASAP….
Some signs “freeze you out” by just drifting away, some with a straight-out argument, some clearly move on…
Scorpio, in my experience, just has to make sure that the “freezed-out” person KNOWS they’re being frozen out. They find a way, even if it’s by sheer, silent force of will, to let a person know they’ve been judged and are now considered to be beneath contempt.
Other signs don’t have that kind of harshness, and, as asanamama mentioned, don’t positively relish the judging (and subsequent punishing) as Scorpio does.
Other signs can be just as cruel, but it isn’t delivered with that sudden & decisive drop to 100 degrees below that you get with Scorpio.
At least, that’s in my experience, and that of my husband, & a couple of astrologically-minded friends (including one very wise Scorpio).
I was “frozen-out” by a Scorpio. It happened 8 months ago but I am still working on defreeze myself. Although he is a wise and educated person, his action was completely off and as cruel as it got. What an experience! So here I am, still wondering what was the lie he accused me from. (I wish I could lie, I would be better off today). Some Scorpios, besides their sting, have big ego especially if they are familiar with the organization for Scorpios called: One for all and all for one”.
As a Scorpio, I strongly disagree with asanamama and liz. I’ve been forced to freeze people out people I really care about and I’ve never done it lightly nor have I ever enjoyed it. On the contrary, its probably the most drastic thing I can do and is very painful on my part.
That said, I’ve only amputated when a) a relationship has gotten extremely unhealthy and the other person hasn’t responded to previous warnings or b) someone has betrayed my trust. I’m incredibly loyal and will stand up for my close friends through the worst of times. That said, if someone I’ve trusted turns around and uses that trust to hurt me, I won’t hesitate to swing the axe.
Did anyone out there watch the Dems debate?Did you see Hillary freeze out Obama and Edwards?She turned her back to them flat out!A Scorpio freeze right there on national tv.C’mon Marc,dreamsAreality,are you really gonna tell me she didn’t relish that just a little?
Okay. So, being a Scorpio, I have to say… Isn’t it obvious? We are tools of karma and folks are scared. Run for the hills!!! Who wants to stare their karma in the face?
Truly I think that often Scorpios aren’t being “sneaky” or “untruthful”. Sometimes we just don’t find saying certain things all that important.
Upon reflection on kashmiri’s comment, I think it may also have something to do with the fact that the lowering of the boom seems to come out of nowhere with Scorp. I disagree that Scorpio’s honesty isn’t direct, but I think it’s that there is frequently no prior warning that the amputation is coming. From the perspective of the person being cut off, everything is fine, and then all of a sudden, you’re smacked in the face with all this hurt, and then it’s over.
At least, I tend to work that way. I don’t usually completely cut people off, but I do get brutally honest with them. Frequently, they cut off contact with me after that, and usually, that’s just fine with me. The friendships that last through it–and especially the ones who can be that honest right back at me–are golden.
I agree with Marc. In my experience I have put up with loads of stuff till one day I have had enough and freeze/amputate. On my part it has always been followed by the person keeping trying to contact me till I tell them in my terms why and to then get the hell away. But It has always been so severly painful. There wasn’t anything dishonest or a lie involved…it was just too much and too painful to stay with that person in my life.
I don’t think Scorpios relish punishing, I think it’s more of a way to ’share’ the pain. Once you’ve forced a Scorpio’s hand, it’s like: ‘Here, mofo…you want to see my hand? Here’s the flesh and bone, too.’ I get it. I understand it. Don’t like it, but what are you going to do? There’s lots I don’t like…
I agree with Marc and Maheggo (as a person who’s amputated). It sucks. But not as much as being crapped on by people who don’t respect/love you. You got to be cruel to be kind sometimes.
So any time someone turns their back to you they are freezing you out? You’ve never turned your back to someone? even innocently?
No, I didn’t watch the debate, but, did no one else turn away from one of the others? Only Hillary? Only Scorpio’s know about group dynamics and effective use of body language?? Doubtful. Most politicians are well versed in the usage of such tools. I’ve watched other debates and witnessed men doing the same to the other candidates.
Besides which the original question here I believe was about Scorpios freezing out or amputating someone from their lives as in a personal context. While these politicians may be cronies or associates, I doubt that many deep friendships were represented on the stage.
I will certainly agree that many times I will close someone off from my life before they even get started too deeply, and 9 times out of 10 its that I’ve seen cruelty to friends or loved ones or gossiping in them or a perpetual need to play victim, and I want no part of that for my life and my family.
I will be cooly polite, but No More.
If they are a total blatant jackass to the world, then I’ll likely lose that politeness as well and tell them exactly how the cow ate the cabbage if they approach me or my loved ones w/some of their bs.
Most Scorpios are way more observant than you might think, and while they may appear to be paying no attention at all to you, they are strictly tuned to what you are doing and saying. And then, YES, folks may find they have been tried and found wanting and there is no port of entry for them.
“But I never did anything to you,” many say, and all the stoicism & coolness aside, most Scorpios are very emotional beings and they will not be allowed inside the conclave to hurt us.
Period.
Think full time double guard duty watchful, with security cameras kind of ON ALERT. We are watching and making note.
I don’t take joy in any of that, it is deep down tissue, muscle memory deep as a matter of fact, and making the walls come down in order to interact more is a major effort in my life.
In fact I believe that for myself I do wait too long to tell people LOUDLY — “HEY BUDDY, you keep stepping on my toes, and I ain’t gonna take it any more.” And, then when it does finally come out they are getting a boatload of information all in one spewing.
Generally I’ve given warnings, “hey, things aren’t working out on my end over here”, and if over time they ignore those warnings, I don’t want to be hurtful, that is why when I’ve amputated I’ve just walked away later w/o a word, in an effort to be sparing of their feelings because I’ve generally got quite a load of acid built up by the time I get to that point. It wouldn’t be pretty if it all came out.
Scorpios are forced to cut deep to separate because the energetic cords or ties that connect them to others are substantially thicker than the norm.
It’s the difference between a vein and an artery; and life force flows along it, usually from the scorp to the other but in well balanced relationships both ways.
A casual dropping off of interest or contact, doesn’t work because that energetic cord still exists and energy continues to drain from the scorpio regardless. Only complete severance brings blessed relief.
Oh, well put JJ!
I agree with Kashmiri and Kate, but I want to add anote to dreamsareality’s blurb. Because for the most part I don’t run with scorpio’s. I don’t have the depth and I don’t like the analysis. My insecurities and neurosis are mine thank you very much.
However there is one Scorpio in my life and they would be either #2 or #3 on the can’t imagine my life without list. This despite her opting to cut off contact twice. Both times over my family relationships. Both times she made it very clear that she had nothing to say to me until I did what she thought I should do and both times I got a load of scorpio projection. And it was heavy. Because she had the facts and the evidence and they were right, but, the resulting conclusion was wrong.
Both times sent me to bed for a couple days to recover. I’d been gutted. She went in and Pluto’d up the place, and she did it but good.
There is no one else I would take that from without some kind of arguement, and even #1 on the list of people I can’t imagine my life without would not have sent me to bed. Into a flying rage, but gutting and whomping me unimaginably? No way.
And I don’t think this is unusual for Scorpio. They know when and where and how to cut deepest, they ‘know’ they’re right and for the most part after they cut they can justify to themselves. And they’re probably mostly right. But when they’re wrong they do an awful lot of damage, and in my experience they’re not often sorry. Maybe sorry you took it wrong, but not sorry.
because when a scorpio freezes you out they are saying you don’t meet their standards of friendship. That they are not prepared to be false by keeping something going when their heart is not in it anymore. If they can’t trust you 100% now that’s it you are gone. All or nothing. The reasons others feel this more when a Scorp cuts you off rather than another sign, is because you know they really mean it, you know they have thought long and hard about it. They are a fixed sign and deeply emotional and think deeply about most issues. It kind of means more when a Scorp leaves as it feels like they’ve seen something of your soul and are rejecting it to preserve themselves. So when you let them down you can’t help feeling you’ve let yourself down too.
I agree with JJ. I’m a scorpio and I form strong emotional bonds with people. I hate having to break them, but if someone does something to hurt my feelings, then it’s too painful to keep the bond. We do it to protect ourselves from any more pain.
I think for me - as a Scorpio, its a simple matter of when Im done, Im done. I put up with a lot of stuff from people because I realize not everyone will think like me, not everyone will react like me - I like to give the benefit of the doubt. But when it comes down to me suffering more than the relationship is worth - I amputate. The only way to say goodbye to someone whos hurting you is to do it swiftly, cleanly & with no regrets. The bandaid effect. Doesnt mean we dont miss the people we amputate. And no, I dont enjoy it…thankfully I dont need to amputate often. Freezing is my favorite way, but some folks persist in knowing the “why’s”. I have a sister who did this when I amputated her & honestly shed have been better off just dealing with the freeze-out because it got nasty - far nastier than I ever intended.
And Max - BAHAHAHAHA!!! I actually DO stuff like that LOL I dont go to church or anything, but I make comments all of the time about bursting into flame if we happen to be at some sort of Xtian funded event or something of that nature (for example a local lake has a big church center built there - the public can use the facilities located there - but its quite obvious its a religious center… we like to go there often to enjoy the lake & the birds etc)
That’s funny, I wonder what happened to Max, too. I really liked him. I remember once he said he liked to heckle people on economic blogs…maybe one day he’ll be back. I’d be happy if he was.
Yeah, Max was/is great. 
I miss him, too. Especially those (usually) snarky departing shots.
And Max - BAHAHAHAHA!!! I actually DO stuff like that LOL I dont go to church or anything, but I make comments all of the time about bursting into flame if we happen to be at some sort of Xtian funded event or something of that nature
I have Libra, so I generally don’t do that, actually. Except on the internet. Because the internet was made for jokes.
wonder what happened to max???
I wandered off! And now you have rung.
I really liked him. I remember once he said he liked to heckle people on economic blogs…maybe one day he’ll be back.
No, not quite. I like to get on the blogs of economists and call bullshit on said economists when they start spooling out the Party of Davos Pravda line of the day. So wouldn’t say I heckle them, I’d say I argue with them. Respectfully disagree. Free exchange of ideas. Oh my god, I can’t believe you just to pass off that ‘China is a capitalist’ country spew again. &etc.
Yeah, Max was/is great. I miss him, too.
Why, thank you! I appreciate it. Hi! Hiiiii! As you can tell, or actually you can’t tell because I haven’t told you yet, I am very tired at the moment and so I will escape the day of the brake hose hell into cherry blossom slumberland where I hope to dream of, um, hrmm, but will instead probably dream about something nasty, like being lectured by Joe Lieberman about not being patriotic enough in my choice of cheese, like as not.
Especially those (usually) snarky departing shots.
Man, I dunno what it is about this year, but everybody thinks I intend to sound meaner than I actually intend. (As opposed to sounding somewhat cranky, which is usually the way I sound.) Maybe I got an unintended weapons upgrade or something.
max
['...huh? Wait. No! Not the BFG! I wanted the plasma cannon! Or the machine gun. Damn it.']
dang, 2 comments caught in the filter…maybe I’m trying too hard to hammer my point home? lol
Heh. That’s okay. Just something nice to Max and also a link, to be a smartass:
http://www.elsaelsa.com/archives/2008/ 03/21/open-question-can-a-scorpio-read-your-mind/
Ha ha…!Good grief. Did it just happen again? Anyway Max, you said ‘hectoring’ not heckle. I swear
I have Libra, so I generally don’t do that, actually. Except on the internet. Because the internet was made for jokes.
I thought the internet was for porn? 
… everybody thinks I intend to sound meaner than I actually intend. (As opposed to sounding somewhat cranky, which is usually the way I sound.)
Nah, I didn’t mean to insinuate you were “mean.” Snarky to me means humorous in a slighty dry, sarcastic way. It’s a compliment, I promise!
It’s good to see you again, Max, and I hope you sleep well. And don’t mind too much about me stealing your style. 
I think its because scorpio’s do it with pride and mockery. I have many scorpio friends and when they are mad it seems like they enjoy punishing you and seeing you at your lowest point. And not to mention the fact that they don’t give a shit if you leave them or not….so that leaves you on your knees crawling right back to them.
(((((((max)))))))))))))
Thank you! Maybe today I can finish!
Just something nice to Max and also a link, to be a smartass: Link!
Yeah! What I said there!
Anyway Max, you said ‘hectoring’ not heckle. I swear
Ah, I probably did, because I do hector them. Heckling someone implies screwing with them anyway you can. Hectoring means disputing (sometimes aggressively) with them when they are wrong and should know better.
I thought the internet was for porn?
Naw! I been doing this electronic communications thing for 25 years: the jokes (that is, the text) is where it’s at. Everyone seems to be aiming at converting the internet to a video medium, but once that happens it’s not the internet anymore, it’s just TV you get through your computer.
Nah, I didn’t mean to insinuate you were “mean.” Snarky to me means humorous in a slighty dry, sarcastic way. It’s a compliment, I promise!
H’ok! Works for me!
It’s good to see you again, Max, and I hope you sleep well. And don’t mind too much about me stealing your style.
Naw. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
I have many scorpio friends and when they are mad it seems like they enjoy punishing you and seeing you at your lowest point.
If I truly cut someone off, it’s because they think I suck and I don’t want to get blamed anymore. I don’t enjoy punishing people, but if they screw themselves up, well, that’s not my fault, is it? Even then, the sensation is more one of tired resignation.
max
['Hopefully my cutter has cooled down by now!']
Why do Scorpios “freeze” people out?
The answer is pretty simple and these folks are not as complex as they like to project.
They do it for POWER. Scorpios get a big kick out of retaining emotional control over others. If they cant do it any other way, they will “amputate” you. When they do, it’s best to just let ‘em go so that you can relieve the pain in the butt they give you.
I’m an Aries and if I come across a Scorpio, I tend to burn them out of my life before they even get a chance to “freeze” me…
Phamke, Scorp sun here. Trust me, you’re pretty safe from being friends with a Scorp. And I say that having an Aries Moon.
i love this post and agree with you, being a scorpio sun/midheaven/mercury/pluto . Moon conj Uranus people tend to freeze others out very quickly, i noticed. Must be related to their independence, or something.
( remember liz tyler and her numerous divorces/marriages… venus-uranus conj. )
Oh and i hate hate hate mind games, being an aries-moon/mars conj in the 2nd house. Phamke im sorry to hear that, because my closest friends are Aries suns. Ones an aries sun/moon. Never have to “guess” where they stand. Straight forward, just the way it ought to be
i meant liz taylor not tyler. typo
I’m not sure Scorps necessarily do it for power.
I think the Scorp freeze out bothers people because if a Gemini or an Aquarius bolts, you can feel safe knowing it’s them, not you.
If a Scorp bolts, it’s very likely in response to something *you* did. So people are more apt to take the Scorp freeze personally.
I’m a Scorpio, and the truth is that I do bolt on people, and I do it in the night, and I never return. Having said that, it’s always related to something they did or said which I had to forgo.
My Scorpio best friend and I were talking today about how her boyfriend wants her to S-P-E-L-L things out, and that makes her very tired. I jokingly said, “sure, he wants you to say left foot, right foot, left foot, right foot. and if you stop he’ll fall down.” She sounded more than a little exhausted even though it was a joke.
And the real truth is that people exhaust me. I try to get through to them, but if they either a) can’t understand me or b) use my power incorrectly , then I have no choice but to leave them. It’s not personal, it’s a matter of self preservation. I do wish that it didn’t have to happen so abruptly, but the thing is that I’m usually already very tired of defending my moves by then. And honestly, it makes me ashamed to tell someone outright - you just can’t handle me. I’m not trying to destroy their ego, I just want to get away. So maybe the silence is better than what your Scorpio didn’t tell you.
If you’ve ever known a Scorpio who has been thoroughly sucked dry or is covered in emotional leeches, you’ve seen someone incredibly sad (and probably dangerous). I really feel that the other signs are terrible to Scorpio, but luckily Scorpio can take it.
It makes me think of the little darkeyed child who is always blamed for everything he didn’t do. He just stands there nodding his head, listening and understanding. And no one would guess how much compassion and genuine kindness this kid is wielding right then.
I agree with a lot that you said autumn. A lot. What you said about people being exhausting is the most Scorpionic thing you said. Somehow we draw emotional misfits, why? And I believe we try too hard to understand, we try compassion, but when the person still goes nuts–then slam or poof! Which brings me to the next thing you said that’s so true, no one can handle us. I’m not saying that to boast. If we Scorpios are in command of our nature we can’t be handled, pushed around or manipulated. Even if someone damages us and we don’t retaliate (the best course) somehow we know that the person will never be free, don’t we?
And yes the freeze is the kinder gentler way. It’s not punishment(always)it’s our way of saying “you must go now–you’re being a drain.”
What has made a huge difference in my interpersonal relationships is learning de-escalation techniques and literally censoring my mouth. With a lot of Sagittarius in my chart this ain’t too hard. I can pull of gregarious and charming when I’m actually feeling angry and frustrated. Only my immediate family knows when I’m covering.
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Maybe because the Scorpio is linked to power, and when they ice up, it makes other people feel powerless, which they generally don’t like. It could also be that in their way, they hold up a mirror to the person when they reject them, and again, people don’t necessarily like what they see?