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Sun Conjunct Saturn @ 8 Years Old - Betrayed By His Mother?
Astrology in Real Life
My son continues to have his terrible year and yesterday he found himself in circumstances where it occurred to him his mother may have betrayed him.
Now his mother did not betray him and he would not expect me to betray him so all the more painful for him to find himself unexpectedly and inexplicably in a situation where the most likely explanation was, ‘My mother did / told what I asked her not to… and now here I am, up a creek.” And that’s pretty brutal for an 8 year old, especially a serious-minded one like my son. What does it mean when / if your mother betrays you?
He contacted me at his first opportunity to check my pulse and I told him, “Uh uh. Did not do it.” He’s got the family poker face so there was not much reaction but later we talked.
“I will never do that you. Ever. If I tell you I am going to keep your confidence then I am going to keep your confidence because if I don’t you will never trust me again.”
“Yes I would. I’d trust you again. I would forgive you,” he said. “You’re my mom.”
I was shocked. ‘Well I don’t know about that. I appreciate that you would forgive me, though I am not sure you should. I’m your mother and if there is anyone you should be able to trust it’s me. But even if you did forgive me… well, thanks. But I don’t see how you could trust me. As it is I tell you I am not going to say something and you believe me. I break that once and next time I tell you I’m not going to do something then what?”
He didn’t say anything but my kid has a Scorpio Mars.
“Doesn’t matter. I will never betray you and that’s all there is to it. I don’t have it in me. I am just not that kind of person, you are sure to find out so this is at least one thing you are not going to have to worry about this life. If your mother says she won’t talk, then she’s not going to talk. And I will tell anyone who wants me to talk to kiss my …, you know I will.”
He chuckled.
Did your mother betray you?
24 Responses to “Sun Conjunct Saturn @ 8 Years Old - Betrayed By His Mother?”
Um, yeah she has…a lot. But ever since she became a senior citizen she has turned into a rock for me. Sad to say, I think it had a lot to do with her own mother dying–it changed her life. For the better.
yes. still tries if i give her any room to do it and she thinks she can get away with it.
gemini. massive 8th house stellium, too. more than i.
Yes.
I had a childhood friend (a boy) that I ended up in highschool with later on. Our parents were (and are still) friends… his father is godfather to my brother. My freshman year, I witnessed him selling drugs (pills) at school and (I forget exactly how the conversation started and went) I told my mother about it. It had upset me to the core (I had a always had a crush on this boy as well). I swore my mother to secrecy, but of course she talked to his mother about it, who I found out later had, in turn, promised my mother not to reveal to her son how she had gotten this information.
A few days later, he came up to me by my locker and took me by the neck and threatened me to mind my own business. Terrifying experience, and heartbreaking because I had thought we were friends.
He never spoke or looked at me again.
I was furious with my mom, and confronted her. She apologized but told me she could not let keep her promise and live with herself if something happened to her friend’s son (I understand it better now, as a mother myself… but I would not make the promise in the first place and would have let my daughter know that I had an obligation to tell. I would have prepared her for the inevitable anger that she would face from him).
I was the oldest, so I know my mom would do a lot of things differently after having another two after me. But this example is something I have never forgotten nor completely gotten over. To this day, I know what I can confide in my mother… and what I cannot.
Sorry. Long comment.
xo
My mother has a stellium in Scorpio - Sun, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter, and Pluto aspects at least her Sun and Venus. Manipulative she may be, but I can’t remember her betraying me or breaking my confidence even once. I’m kinda surprised about the Scorpio/8th house reference on this thread in connection with betrayal as she has a Scorpio stellium and I have an 8th house stellium and we exchange some Pluto aspects in synastry and mutual loyalty and confidence were so natural and obvious that I can’t even remember talking about it, we just took it for granted and it was never a problem. We also didn’t talk about how it was wrong to tell other people’s secrets - it was something I just knew. She never told other people’s secrets as far as I know, she also hates gossip.
uh, repeatedly.
My mother could be manipulative, but I think mostly to get sympathy. (No planets in the 8th house or Scorpio, though a T-square of saturn, uranus, and pluto). She has a Leo moon and maybe that’s why she would gladly rip apart anyone who threatened her cubs. She wouldn’t gossip or betray confidences–not from high-mindedness, but just because she just didn’t give a sh** about joining anyone else’s club.
My mother has always betrayed me and still does at every chance she can.
My mother read my diary when I was a teenager and told everybody what I’d written in it during a group counseling session. That hurt.
Absolutely. She generally does not keep promises at all, but moreover she is just generally unreliable. I never know if I am going to wake up to a mother that loves me and wants to protect me, or if I am going to wake up to a stranger giving me the silent treatment.
Moon in the 2nd opposite Uranus in the 8th.
My mother has betrayed me more times and in more ways than I can count…same with my father and sister, which is the reason that, although I still see them and respect them as human beings, I no longer think of them as my parents although they brought me into this world. Family doesn’t always mean blood ties.
I felt betrayed from birth… my parents had another baby 10 months after I was born and I got no attention. my parents like to tell a “funny” story of me in the crib with my younger sister where I’d cry and then shout my sister’s name so they would think it was her crying and come faster.
When I had my pluto conj moon transit I had a regression where I saw myself on a kitchen counter in a dipper crying my lungs out, cold and in pain, and no one would come. I was weeks old, and felt utterly betrayed, like I knew by being born in this familly it was implied they would be there for me.
Through out life I’ve felt betrayed in this same way, in the way she wasn’t a real mother when I expected her to be. Indirect insults and blaming me for things totally out of my control. It didn’t happen that often but it had a huge impact on me.
fun fact: I have moon conj neptune in sag. and my mom is a sag with saturn conjunct her sun.
I have some awful mom stories, but I don’t think any of them come from her meaning to betray me. Our moons are inconjunct, and Like her dad who she had huge issues with and my dad (who she is still bitterly divorcing after 14 years!!)I’m capricorn so I think there was a fair amount of projection (she would often compare me to my dad, and later/less so my grandfather). Even though our suns are trine (which maybe because she was used to being overpowered by capricorns was just as much a bad thing? The energy just sort of made her feel defeated before she began?) I think there was just kind of a blank incomprehension between her and me. And so she’d do stuff which was devastating to me and just plain not realise.
And I mean there was other stuff too, like the day she invited me to go get a burger and took me to the group home to speak with the group home people about moving in (they were under the impression I had expressed interest) since I ‘obviously’ didn’t like it at home, without having spoken to me or my dad about it! And in the end she did disown me. So I guess the answer is yes she did, but I don’t think she was aware of it.
Yup. But she betrayed my sister much worse. Personally, I think it’s because I won’t put up with her shit but my sis will. Plus, I can detach. Dysfunction, gotta love it.
Is that pic of Vidroid why he thought you betrayed him, Elsa?
SaDiablo - that kid is not my kid, that’s just a model. Vidroid had been talking about various things about his school and he was called to the principal’s office for an interview which he thought I might have instigated but actually it was the universe - Elsa not involved.
Yes. Repeatedly. (Moon & Saturn, closely conjunct, in my 4th house. I don’t know enough about astology to really understand it, but I think it applies to my mother - doesn’t it?)
all the time. cant trust her at all. I still love her though, Im just smarter now.
Viv, I wish to send you some
love and light…it’s amazing how profound some of life’s experiences are, even if they occur infrequently.
Thank you Kashmiri 
It is amazing. We’re so much bigger and deeper then we’re taught to beleive.
wow, i’m amazed at the number of people who said yes, they mom betrayed them and repeatedly, too.
my mom i can trust.
*smacks head* Man, E, I swear I thought that was Vidroid! *lol* The nose/chin reminds me of a pic you posted from when he was a young’un. Maybe it’s the expression. But, um, yeah, he’s got ~brown~ eyes, right? Duh.
nah, he doesn’t have brown eyes. His eyes are blue/green. Hah, Neptooon
*LOL* I’m just gonna hide under a rock today. *blush*
My mom tried to manipulate me into doing what she thought best but no, she never betrayed me. In fact, she stood up for me to her friends when they told her to kick me out for openly living w/my then boyfriend. Now this may sound like no big deal now but that was the early/mid sixties and in a small town. Mores have changed back & forth several times since then . . .
It may have been our Libra Sun/Moon thing. My sister’s 2 kids felt repeatedly betrayed by their mom . . . she had very, very bad ideas about boundaries where her kids were concerned. She has Moon/Mars/Saturn in Cancer in the first. does that translate as momma knows best?! =grin=
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All the time and I don’t trust her at all. Moon in scorpio conjunct pluto. Also of course she’s manipulative, and I know she’s scheming something if i upset her.