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Betrayal, Gossip, Telling People’s Secrets, Talking Behind Their Backs And Various Other Sundries
Ask the collective…
“My mother has a stellium in Scorpio - Sun, Mercury, Venus and Jupiter, and Pluto spects at least her Sun and Venus. Manipulative she may be, but I can’t remember her betraying me or breaking my confidence even once. I’m kinda surprised about the Scorpio/8th house reference on this thread in connection with betrayal as she has a Scorpio stellium and I have an 8th house stellium and we exchange some Pluto aspects in synastry and mutual loyalty and confidence were so natural and obvious that I can’t even remember talking about it, we just took it for granted and it was never a problem.
We also didn’t talk about how it was wrong to tell other people’s secrets - it was something I just knew. She never told other people’s secrets as far as I know, she also hates gossip.”
What about you?
Where is your Mars?
20 Responses to “Betrayal, Gossip, Telling People’s Secrets, Talking Behind Their Backs And Various Other Sundries”
Hehe, me again..
I picked the “All of the above” option. Well, it’s actually not ALL of the above - I don’t think all press is good press and I don’t tend to retaliate either, but the rest are all possible options for me. I cracked at the option to “Use them to spread information” because I’m the only person I personally know that might do just that, I think most people won’t consider it, it takes a “criminal mind” 
Mars-Mercury conjunction in Cancer in the 8th house, sextile Pluto in th 9th house. Criminal mind 
If it’s someone I trust and feel is a confident, I confront them about it. Why give up on an important relationship without an explanation? Taurus Mars in 6th conjunct DSC.
If it’s someone I basically trust, I just let it go and figure that at least they’re thinking about me. I have a double Gemini friend who I love dearly and understand that whatever I tell her will be repeated to everyone she knows. It’s part of her, and I just accept it.
Mars in Leo in the 5th conj Sun, Venus, and Merc, trine Uranus and Jupiter.
Mars in Scorpio in the 12th. Don’t like gossip and have kept many, many secrets over the years. Others have confided in me all my life, knowing if they requested, it would go no further . . . In general, I regard gossip as a huge waste of time and energy.
it doesn’t really happen to me. people don’t seem to talk about me. or if they do, i don’t ever hear about it.
no, the 8th house thing… i learned from my mother… what kind of 8th house person i didn’t want to be. my best friend has an even more concentrated scorpio stellium and our friendship’s a great example of mutual trust and respect and ability to hold each other’s confidences, etc. it really all depends on choice, i think. how you choose to use your energy. my mother acts out of fear, most of the time. my best friend does not. it makes a big difference.
on second thought, i trust so few people i generally don’t have to worry about them spreading my secrets. i certainly didn’t give my mother, for example, anything important from very early on. like elementary school.
if i do feel someone i have trusted has betrayed my trust i’ll generally confront them and/or distance completely, depending on the situation. sometimes one after the other. my mars is in pisces in the 7th.
i also try not to have secrets that i’d care if anyone found out about. or, more to the point, care if people knew how odd i am. i figure if they want to know, they can ask me, and if they don’t like it, that’s not my problem, i’m not making them spend time with me.
Oh gosh, I picked all of the above because it really depends on the situation. My friend told me she was discussing our relationship with someone else (in not entirely positive terms) and I told her it made me feel uncomfortable. It’s sort of flattering to have people think you’re interesting enough to talk about, no?
Mars in 4th house Sadge. Yeesh.
noone that I trust would discuss me behind my back in a way that is harmful to me-if they did, it would be an accident or misunderstanding, or misjudgement.
but I only trust about 5 people. Everyone else is case pending indefinitely. If I find out someone in general is saying things behind my back that I don’t like, I generally just stop telling them anything interesting.
mars in Sadge.
mars in Cancer. I rarely hear people talk about me. The few times that it’s gone wrong I’ve distanced myself - severely at first then gradually allow them to regain some of my trust given other indicators of friendship.
I picked cut them off completely, but it´s usually a gradual process that starts with hurt, rage, distance and then the ultimate CHOP (all the while I´m planning their demise). Mars in Scorpio conjunct Pluto in the 10th.
I keep my circle of friends rather tight anyway (Saturn in the 11th) But I´ve had my share of betrayal in the past.
I wanna know what they’re saying. I have a first house Capricorn Mars Square Pluto.
If its not very nice the reaction varies by the person. Regardless of the person, if I don’t like the rumor I seek it out and quash it ‘C’mon, XYZ! For petes sake!’ If I like it, I let it live and give off no reaction whatsoever.
If its someone I want to keep around and I don’t like the rumor I confront them and hash it out, and if it is someone I don’t like then I retaliate.
For instance there was this assistant manager once, sexually assaulted my friend at a different retail location and then got transfered to my store (transfered because there were enough sexual harassment complaints, in fact one girl was suing because she’d gotten fired and alleged it was for this reason). I had all the local gossip, but let him come in clean when people asked me what I knew I said that what I knew wasn’t so nice, and was probably just gossip.
But! When he started gunning for me and talking down to me, and talking to the other management about me in a way that was not so flattering. I let everyone know he’d been in the movies! Yep! Carlos our very own Superstar! Back Up Dancer in GLITTER! And I’d get that sucker playing a little bit before his shift on a regular basis. “Hey! Guys! Won’t this be funny!”. And I went to management and expressed my discomfort with working with someone who had sexually harassed my friend. That I thought that maybe some of the negative stuff Carlos was saying about me maybe sprang from the fact I knew why he’d been bounced from his other store. And when a fellow staff member asked why I wasn’t working with Carlos any more I swore them to secrecy and told them, then let the rumor mill do its thing. Ka-Boom.
I dont trust to many people but I chose other because it would depend on the situation and what they had supposely been saying about me. I would possible distance myself from them a little bit and let what happened slide as a one off unless it become a repeated scenrio then I would think again about the realationship and distance myself futher and only hanging out with them occasionally keeping it light fun and impersonal.
Mars conjunct Neptune in Sag/10th house.
I don’t trust easily, so if it’s someone I’ve truly trusted, then they’re gone. I’m done with them and they might as well be dead to me.
If it’s someone I don’t trust deeply, but they still manage to betray me, then they get held at arm’s length for a very long time. Possibly forever, unless they find a way to prove they’re sorry and are trustworthy despite the mistake.
Mars in Cancer, 11th house square 8th house Merc & Venus in Aries.
I chose “other” because above all it hurts my feelings. I get maaaad and paralysed by madness. I don’t like people talking about my life in general, I like some secrecy, but then sometimes I realize they have good intentions.
My Mars is in Libra, in a t-square.
Wyrdling is in my head! It kinda tickles.
1. Don’t do things you wouldn’t want others to know about.
2. Confidences are just that. On the receiving end, keep your mouth shut. Ditto for giving end if you’re not sure the person is 100% worthy.
3. “Kill” those who betray! If you must interact with them, keep it superficial.
I’m a bright lil’ ball of sunshine, yes I am!
My Mars is in Gemini in my 9th house (square Pisces Sun[6th];closely sextile both my Leo Uranus[11th] and my Aries Venus [7th]. My answer would’ve been “None of the above.”
“Confront” sounds hostile; if I really want to find out, I just ask them, because I’d be curious to know what the topic was.
The few I really trust are people I KNOW wouldn’t say anything truly bad about me. I wouldn’t trust them in the first place if it were otherwise. That trust has seldom been broken but when it has, I find out if it was just a slip(I slip up too!), then just let it go. If it happens much more, I reevaluate my trust in that person.
I assume that everyone else - including those who HAVE TO be in my life - are just going to say whatever they say. It’s annoying but doesn’t mean much to me. I still might ask out of curiosity. If it’s something truly hurtful or destructive, I’m mainly hurt (I don’t have much of a drive for revenge), & someone who MUST be in my life (relative, co-worker, etc.) said it, I distance myself, mainly internally. With those who don’t HAVE to be in my life, I just don’t return calls and sort of do a slow fade out of their world (my being a Pisces, maybe?).
However, I think that my reaction to a truly INTIMATE betrayal is a separate thing entirely, related MUCH more to my Moon than my Mars position. When family “betrays” me, I don’t even recognize the creature that erupts out of me! Very primitive, to be honest, & nothing like me regularly.
(P.S.- I hope no one takes this the wrong way, but - I have never experienced betrayal like I have from Scorpios… at least in my experience, they can & will turn you AND your world completely upside-down & inside-out should they want to… & they won’t break a bead of sweat while doing it. That’s just my own experience; I also have a wonderful Scorpio friend of nearly 20 years who is fiercely loyal!)
Other. I hide and sulk, and then at some random time predetermined by my Mars Opposed Pluto come out with my pick axe and knocks thems skulls together…LOL!! Just kidding..um..only kidding a little.
On another note, I vote wyrdling posts a link to her/his blog…and if s/he doesn’t have one, then get on that asap because your insights are fab-u.
i distance and don’t get involved. usually i don’t have this problem as i don’t give people sensitive information, so they don’t talk about me (or maybe i just don’t know it?). i agree with wyrdling and sadiablo. i guess people can only betray you when you give them the power to do so! so i don’t do/tell/share things that i wouldn’t want others to know about or do to me and i assume if i tell anyone anything, it then becomes public info so i’m aware of where it can go…and thus censor it as appropriate. because really, a secret is not a secret if anyone else knows 
Speaking of betrayal, that’s been happening to me a lot lately. That is something I cannot tolerate, especially if a family member is doing it. If it was a friend I would never befriend them again. I would lose all respect for them. I live by my principles (Mars in 9th house).
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normally i think all press is good press, but if it’s someone i trust… seeya!
mars in 12th conj ascendant.