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Undermining By Questioning A Person’s Motives - Nasty, Nasty Neptune
Astrology in Real Life…
I was talking to the soldier last night:
“People suspect your motives,” I said. “They think you are up to something… up to no good. It’s the same thing that happened when we were kids. (The Professor Of Art History in The Soldier and P) Happened in 2003 too, remember.”
“In 2003?”
“Yeah, that guy told me you were oppressing me to liberate yourself,” I said. (This is the ultimate insult to a Special Forces soldier who is sworn to liberate the oppressed).
“Oh yeah,” he said. I could feel him flare. “Why do people do this, P? Did they do this to the AMF?”
“Never. Not one person ever said anything negative about him. He enjoyed full support.”
“So what is it they say?”
“Oh, it’s all undermining stuff. They insinuate things, like I don’t think he’s telling you the whole story,” I said. “You’re being lied to sort of thing. You’re being taken down a garden path you little fruit. You na¯ve little fool. Unbeknownst to you, blah, blah, blah.”
“Oh for Godsakes. Do they not know how well we know each other? Do they not know I talk to you 7 or 8 times a day? 10 times a day?”
“No, I guess they don’t know that. I don’t know what they know. We trigger people is all. They look as us and see… who the hell knows what they see. Some people see us clearly though. They really do. And we’ve not had that before, it’s nice.”
Have you ever launched or experienced this kind of attack?
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never launched…not sure if I’ve ever experienced it either…tho’ people like to jack w/me a lot for no apparent reason *shrug*
p.s. it is EXTREMELY obvious, to anyone w/a brain, that the soldier makes you VERY happy…anyone who cares even one whit for you should be happy for you two!
I have never attacked someone in this manner. I do have people alround me constantly attacking me in such a way. Me, my kids, my kids fathers nd those around us that are close to us.
Oh yeah, people attack me this way all the time — accusing me of being both the dupe and the perp. Neptune conjunct Asc.
Actually, I probably launch these attacks too. Saturn Venus square Cappy Moon.
oh, sigh. i used to see this stuff fly around all the time.
i dated a couple people who did that. very unpleasant. but educational. in that it helped me realize the necessity to see for myself and make my own judgements rather than be lazy and assume other people know what they’re talking about. and to get away (fast!) from people who tried to tell me who i was and what _my_ motivations were. that can become a creepy kind of unravelling. and it’s subtle, at first. or it was to me.
every time i get into a relationship, someone else has to say or do something belittling or destructive about it. it never fails. i seem to pick some off-the-wall characters and situations to partner up with, which is probably what ‘does it’ to make people so insecure, but i’m sure there’s some projection involved as well since it’s a constant.
A good friend of mine was dating a dog and a few of us tried to warn her off him (he’d come onto a couple of her friends). She never listened of course..five years down the line she found out he had another girlfriend that he’d been dating for 8! Dont tend to stick my oar in unless it’s a close friend and i can see they’re unhappy. Friends warned me off a guy once and i didnt listen either but they were right. I guess it depends on who’s doing the judging.
Elsa, the story of the kind of opposition your relationship has always faced really brings to mind the Pluto/Demeter/Persephone myth. It’s as if people see the soldier as this plutonic figure and you as the innocent girl Persephone. They see you as being unknowingly snatched up by him and taken into his plutonic realm.
And they react by taking the Demeter role of endlessly attempting to drag you away. And just as in the myth, they’ve succeeded, partly, in that you are only getting to spend around half your adult life with him rather than all of it.
And thinking of the myth, it’s interesting that the story is never told from Persephone’s point of view. I mean, maybe she was enjoying the upgrade in status from mummy’s little girl to Queen of the Underworld. Maybe she loved being worshiped by her husband and reveled in her new sex life.
As in the myth, I think the focus of the detractors is on his power and intent and not on what you’re getting out of the relationship.
Fey - that’s enormously interesting and well said. I agree with you entirely, but here’s the punch line:
In reality, I’m the Pluto figure in the relationship. Hall of mirrors maaaan.
Aaah…very interesting but not so surprising considering you both have Pluto in virgo, i.e Pluto manifesting through the feminine.