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Astrology, Karma and Consequences Mild and Severe: Saturn in the Natal Chart?
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I have a very cautious friend. He’s cautious because whenever he tries to shirk anything, he’s typically caught and the consequences are generally severe.
I on the other hand, get away with almost everything and when I am caught the consequences are what would be expected on occasion but frequently they are light and even more frequently they are waived all together. It sounds like this…
“Hey, Elsa I know you did this and this and this.”
“Uh huh?”
“Think you can stop.”
“Yeah.”
“Okay, then. Sorry to bother you…”
Now it doesn’t always work that way but it works that way often enough to notice and I am never, ever handed down some kind of death blow punishment so why do you think this is? Why the disparity?
I wonder if it comes down to Saturn in the natal chart. If you have a well placed and well aspected Saturn might authority figures lean on you as opposed to crush you or throw the book at you? And do people with hard aspects to Saturn get slammed?
For the record, I don’t think it’s fair. I mean, I have Libra so I know it’s not fair but it does seem to happen this way. Do you notice this and if so how do you explain it?
12 Responses to “Astrology, Karma and Consequences Mild and Severe: Saturn in the Natal Chart?”
June I really like your analysis and your candor. So in other words, you tell the truth and if that doesn’t work you have a lie ready?
::ducks::
Ha ha
This is a joke in the Gem / Jupiter truth telling lier vein. 
even if i wanted to lie i can’t. it invariably gets me in horrible trouble, or someone near me. but i can choose to not talk about things, no problem.
(saturn/mercury square….)
authority figures tend to like me, though. i can charm them. or something. have that whole “innocence” thing going. somehow.
(saturn trining eighth house venus in aries.)
i have saturn in virgo (7th house)to the degree square gemini sun (and in wider aspect to mars and mercury). & have always had my feet held to the fire for ‘infractions’ real or imagined, that others just skipped through. and while i wouldn’t exactly recommend this chart placement, it has had a couple of good effects. first of all — i always check and then double check my work, excellent practice for a writer 
and secondly, since i discovered that rightly or wrongly i may be raked over the coals for my actions, have learned to trust my own judgment.
Uh, it depends. Generally my infractions go unnoticed but sometimes, depending on the person, everything I do gets noticed. I do have issues with authority (being told what to do) and some people just see it more, I think. When I was a kid, everything I did got noticed by my parents while my brother just did whatever he wanted. I guess he used me as a distraction!
I don’t often get into issues with friends on equal footing, though.
Saturn is sextile Venus and Mercury and square my Aquarius rising.
Interesting pondering.
I have a YOD with a not-well-placed sign-wise Saturn (Aries) as the apex.
There are very few ‘authorities’ in my life governing the day-to-day aspects. Bosses and management are these floating enigmas somewhere far away. They change constantly. (Probably more of an effect of having Pisces MC.)
People tend not to notice me and I can get away with alot. Thing is, when they finally DO notice, I receive draconian punishment, or what they think or hope is severe, even though really it isn’t…
Example: I had no disciplinary record and was written up by a nasty co-worker and FIRED. However life became wonderful after I was fired with decisions going my way as far as unemployment and training opportunities and THEN was offered that job back.
It’s as if authorities never know what the freak they’re doing. And they underestimate me, which I like. he he.
I think this is interesting because I’d read long ago that a yod indicates action or activity that switches from square-feeling to trine-feeling and back and forth, it’s hard to get a grasp of because it’s unpredictable. Sometimes easygoing sometimes harsh.
I don’t think the consequences are worse than my actions - I like to believe in karma and a fair one at that. But I have Saturn conjunct Venus in Scorpio so maybe I seduce others to escape punishment. Do I?
Often good at understanding and operating within structures and systems of various organisations/authorities. I’d rather be a team player than the boss where final decisions rest. Capable of much hard work with integrity as my Saturn is in the 10th house - however up until my Saturn return - I found too much responsibility a burden. Yet I haven’t suffered from heavy scrutiny or punishment as my sag Sun is sextile that Saturn. I can apologise for mistakes, rectify the problem and live with the consequences. Yet it is worth saying that once I understand how a system works I can find and work any loopholes that can benefit me and/or the work at hand.
I have saturn opposite my sun and mercury… I notice it when transits reinforce it, because then it becomes obvious. Off the transits the consequences are not that bad nowadays. And I do get away with alot, from police and teachers.. etc.
I do notice it around me, the lucky and the unlucky, and it makes total sense that this is the persons energy atracting the stuff she expects. What you fear, you create. This is sort of obvious and hard to explain at the same time to someone that never watched it happen: the vicious cicle that it tends to be.
maybe because my saturn is in opposition and not square, and it’s in the 7th (projected on others), the saturnine incidents that afflict me are very unexpected. Maybe with saturn squares people feed the fear more. since it’s inside them and they live with it.
i agree with Viv, you do create what you fear. And over time, your fears change as you overcome them (or stop creating them). i’ve got libra saturn opp. sun/venus/mars in aries, square moon in cappy. my saturn rarely lets me get away with anything! i’ve learned there are two ways to deal with this: either oppose/challenge authority or ally yourself with it. sometimes it’s best to doublecheck everything, take no chances and be extra prepared and other times it’s just overkill and no one cares anyway. i guess, the best way to work with this is to do whatever the situation calls for ;o) and if that doesn’t work, have a lie ready :o)
I have saturn in cancer trining jupiter in pisces.. and saturn squaring my mars and sun with leo ruling my 10th. Female authority figures really get along with me but the men don’t. If I’m being interviewed by a man I don’t get hired, but often do if it’s a woman. I had a male boss judge my actions - which were limited by my emotional nature. For a female boss this doesn’t seem to be a problem, maybe she only sees my ability to act and my ability to be compassionate rather than one limiting the other.. or I just act differently.. Since I’m libra, with a woman I might naturally be more active and male.
I’ve learned to improve my male side in the hopes that I can change this when in the company of men. And with leo on my 10th I’ve been learning how to play the career game more like the men and have seen some progress.. although it seems it’s still mostly the women that hire me..
I’ve noticed this a lot: both my fiance and I skate through with little or no consequences from our infractions, but his best friend gets ~slammed~ whenever he doesn’t tow the line. It’s unreal!
I’ve got Saturn in Virgo conjunct Sun and Merc in Leo.
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I stay out of trouble most of the time, so when I do get myself in trouble, people don’t expect it and usually feel concerned rather than angry, so the consequences of what I did are less severe or muddled. I think it’s because people see me as smart enough, that I learn simply from being told not to do something, and in part because I think people just want to like me, that I’m charming or nice enough or someshit. Oh, and if I do get caught with something, I don’t deny it. I have a “Yeah, so? I did it. What are you going to do about it?” attitude. That throws people off bigtime.
I assume it has a little to do with my moon-jupiter conjunction (its trine my midheaven) so I’m on good terms with authority figures, a little to do with my sun-saturn TRINE (which goes great with your theory), a little to do with my libra ascendant so I know how to appeal to people, and a little to do with the fact that I’m a gemini and can talk my way out of everything if necessary.