Kids and Astrology: It’s Their Chart and They’ll Do What They Want

10 Responses to “Kids and Astrology: It’s Their Chart and They’ll Do What They Want”

1. Melody says on 6/7/07 at 12:56 pm:
   

   My Mars/Mercury/South Node in the fifth reflects both the damage done to my sense of creative self-actualization (parents of that generation were so intense!) to my ability to fight for and champion others right to their own creative self-actualization, especially my kids. I was criticized a lot for my radical parenting m.o. by friends who now come to me for advice with their troubled teens….I just hate to see good life wasted. I have had this favourite from Khalil Gibran since my first was born.

   Your children are not your children.
   They are the sons and daughters of Life’s longing for itself.
   They come through you but not from you,
   And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.
   You may give them your love but not your thoughts,
   For they have their own thoughts.
   You may house their bodies but not their souls,
   For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.
   You may strive to be like them, but seek not to make them like you.
   For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.
   You are the bows from which your children as living arrows are sent forth.
   The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite, and He bends you with his might that His arrows may go swift and far.
   Let your bending in the Archer’s hand be for gladness;
   For even as He loves the arrow that flies, so He loves also the bow that is stable.

2. Neith says on 6/7/07 at 2:08 pm:
   

   Wow! Melody, that’s marvelous!

   My parents did their best to get me to follow the path they thought best but didn’t work. However, having Libra, my tactic was to do what they wanted - well - then quit & go back to what I wanted to do. In the end, they realized they were being out-stubborned. Mars/Merc/ASC in Scorp + lots more Fixed signs . . .

3. Alison says on 6/7/07 at 4:37 pm:
   

   I wouldn’t want my kids in any of the armed forces either! It’s hard to know with children if this interest in the Marines is a (another?) passing phase or is something that will stick.
   However I did view the Marine video and as a Media grad. one has got to try and be critical of what the media produces. Note the violin music & deep voiced male voiceover creating a sentimental tone, coupled with American pride and nationalism and Whammo!Very effective propaganda!

   This kind of advertising would be laughed at in my country (Aust). Would a discussion on the politics of placing US troops on foreign soil and how this creates anti-American sentiment clear your son’s starry-eyes? As parents we can try and help our children to make informed choices.

4. Alison says on 6/7/07 at 5:13 pm:
   

   Whoops! I just read an earlier post “Sun conjunct Saturn - all grown up at 8 years old” the political rave I suggested above is probably inappropriate. I thought he was a teen.

5. Elsa says on 6/7/07 at 5:37 pm:
   

   Alison - I didn’t think your comment was inappropriate at all. You raise important questions which I have been faced with answering since this came out of his mouth.

6. kashmiri says on 6/7/07 at 6:06 pm:
   

   Did my parents interfere with my plans? Well, they sure tried.
   However, ever since I took off for a wander at a country fair (500 miles away from home) without asking for their permission at the age of TWO, they knew they had a wanderer and free spirit on their hands. And a pigheaded one at that. I left home when I was sixteen, and the only thing that stopped them from reining me again is that I disappeared overseas for four years and didn’t come back until they were weary enough to stop trying to interfere with my plans.

   I pity my parents now, thinking they could outfight me. I was PSYCHOTICALLY independant.

7. Alison says on 6/7/07 at 6:48 pm:
   

   Thanks Elsa. Is there military type youth groups there your son could join? Here we have cubs and scout groups - with uniforms and survival type camps learning knot tying, fire making and so on.
   Also we have Army Reserves for teens.

   You know the idea of the kid that gets dragged around from pub to pub watching his father drink beer and play snooker - can go either way when he grows up - he can either reject it or take it on. If your son joins a group like above when young - will it cure him by the time he’s 18 or prime him to enlist? All the best, Elsa, with these important parenting issues…thinking of you.

8. seekingzen says on 6/7/07 at 8:13 pm:
   

   Oh yeah, in a big way. Mom thought I should be an engineer (like her, to make lots of money) and forget about anything/everything artistic, which is where my natural inclinations were. Mostly writing, but some fine and performance art as well. I come from a family of artists who nurtured their craft while maintaining life-sustaining careers.

   So she wouldn’t support my choice when I was accepted to a good local university with an excellent fine arts program. And because I was an idiot, I let her non-support keep me from going. Didn’t occur to me to tell her to piss off and find a way to get it paid for by myself. She wouldn’t pay for it, so I gave up. DUMB.

   She won short term. Very short term. She surrendered to reality when I got into (and excelled in) the culinary arts program at a good school, especially since it was years after high school and I showed no signs of caving in and going to engineering school. *lol*

9. violet says on 6/8/07 at 6:15 pm:
   

   pretty much ~ i got derailed after high school. ever since i was ten i loved the theatre.
   i didn’t care if i was acting, writing, or producing. yep i put together a production with my classmates for the entire junior school when i was eleven and then again in high school for which i won an award. it looked as though everything was gearing me for a career in the performing arts whether in front of an audience or behind the scenes (moon and mars in 12th house) i didn’t mind. i talked of nothing else but the stage. anyone who asked me “oh yeah, i’m going into theatre”. there was no hesitation. i was that certain.

   then boom! after quite openly discussing this with my parents and spending time reviewing the various theatre programs, my father said no way. no daughter of his was going to go on the stage. apparently in his youth he had seen the “rat pack” perform and of course the women, the showgirls, as far as he was concerned were not much different than sex workers. this came as a huge surprise to me (my dad’s reaction not the rat pack groupies) because up until that point my father regularly came out to support me in these events. rarely did he miss a show. we fought back and forth. i wanted what i wanted and needed. my dad had his pride and concerns. finally i compromised and went to university, which i flunked out of in the first year. during my second go at college we lost a family member. as a family we didn’t handle the loss too well and i eventually had a nervous breakdown.

   for years afterwards i walked around like i was the living dead. theatre, once my joy, was just too painful for me to get involved in even as an audience member. over the past decade though i have gone out to theatre performances and enjoyed myself. i don’t have the passion i once had for it. that role has since been filled by music. i let no one come between me and music.

   Elsa because you are insightful enough to even pose this question gives me hope that your son’s outcome will not be as grim as mine. i honestly believe my saturn return came a decade earlier.

   i know my father was generally quite fearful. as an adult i realise i must have been scaring the crap out of him from my tiny baby girl days when i wanted to audition for a chance of being one of the sour grape bunch dancers on the Banana Split Show :). that’s just too bad because another thing i realise as an adult is that i would have been okay. whether i would have remained in the arts as a profession is anyone’s guess, but i just know i would have been fine if left to follow my path.

   good luck Elsa

10. L.C. says on 10/20/08 at 8:51 pm:
    

    Could there be different ways to release or live this energy? Maybe a career that is related to the military in some way but not strictly by becoming a marine or joining the armed forces? Is that possible?

    This post makes me think of my boyfriend (in his 40’s) who has Mercury conjunct Mars and Jupiter in Aquarius. He collects military stuff (planes, figures, memorabilia etc). Most of what he reads are war-related novels; he loves WW2 movies. He is really into the war thing on some weird level but he is a pacifist, really, who has no desire to join the armed forces. I think it’s more like some sort of “historical theater” to him than it is a motivating force… The trouble with propoganda is that you don’t realize it’s propoganda until your’re older…

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