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Pluto, Scorpio and the 8th House: School Bullies, Negative Projections and Burning Witches at the Stake
Astrology in Real Life
I mentioned my current interest in people who fixate on me in a negative way. This is such a constant theme in my life, it finally occurred to me I ought to study it and now that I’ve broken through I can see that what I have learned has positive implications and applications I did not anticipate.
For my example, my daughter gets bullied at school at times. She is targeted and as a parent, it’s horrific. It is terrible to send your kid to school to be persecuted however it has to be done.
I am fortunate in that the negative attention does not bother my daughter all that much. On a scale of 1-10 it bothers her at about a 2 or 3 where it bothers me at a 9! It would bother me at a 10 if it bothered her more than it does but as it is, I get off a easy courtesy her nature. So here’s the thing:
When your kid is being bullied there is little you can do. You wind up saying all these classic things that parents and counselors say that may be well-intended but really don’t help all that much. But after exploring this in my own life I have something new to tell my daughter which I imagine once applied will bring my pain to a 6 and hers to near nothing. Not bad.
For the record, I think people who attract negative projections are by and large Scorpio / 8th house / Plutonians, sort of like the witches who were burned at the stake. And in fact my daughter is a Scorpio rising with Pluto conjunct so she is going to exude power anyway you turn it. And I guess I see it this way these days:
If it is going to rain on you constantly, you may as well plant some crops. Scorpio (in whatever form) has got to learn to say, “Bring it on,” and that is all there is to it.
Can you relate?
21 Responses to “Pluto, Scorpio and the 8th House: School Bullies, Negative Projections and Burning Witches at the Stake”
I was also picked on horribly in middle school, and by high school I was invisible (or at least, I sure hoped so). I guess what I picked up from that was that nothing I did would impress the Popular People, so I might as well just amuse myself.
George Bush has Pluto Rising, he was the one who said “Bring it on” (which he later regretted), and he certainly attracts negative projections. The extent to which the projections are justified is a separate point: people often need a hate figure, and GWB is good at being that, probably because he actually IS one of the bad guys.
Gotcha, Dharmaruci and that’s a good point. It makes me want to refine mine! 
I ain’t no George Bush!!
Scorpio moon and ascendant. I think being the subject of teasing when younger has made me more sensitive to everyone really. I wouldn’t trade charts with anyone. I agree. Let it rain.
I have Scorpio rising and Pluto Conjunct Sun at Mid-heaven. I always attract negativity, especially at work, especially and most always, by other women. At times I’ll let out my lion’s roar (I’m Leo)and at other times, I just do my own thing. I’ve stopped lunching with these people. I’ve had cat fights, been exiled, gossiped about, etc. etc. It’s taught me to stand alone and stand strong. If you saw me, you’d think I was a pushover. I can even attract negative vibes by doing absolutely nothing. I thought something was wrong with my personality, but now I know it’s the astrology.
I have never been without friends, but I have never been without a bully either. I’m happy to take the abuse so that someone else is spared.
I haven’t been bullied much, but I have a feeling my daughter will, she’s a Scorp sun/rising conj. with Pluto in her 1st house, she exudes tons of energy. And it breaks my heart to think of her bullied, but I know if I can help her channel all that energy she will be a wonderful force. And you’ve given me tons of tips for helping her over the years. Thanks!
My son has a packed 8th house and used to attract that negative attention. He probably still does, but the thing is, it never bothered him. The bullies are still bullies, but my son has risen way above.
When I was younger, I had all kinds of trouble with bullies, largely because of my (apparently puzzling) appearances as related to my ancestry. Translation? I’m half American Indian and grew up in areas where an Indian was a complete novelty. Kids were forever asking, “What are you?” and then mocking when they heard the answer.
My 8th house holds my Sun, Merc, and Venus, all in Aries. Over time, I’ve learned to shrug it off, ignore the crap, roll my eyes at the perps, get right back in their faces, and/or go invisible. I’m used to the questions now, and whether it’s because of my age (29) or my demeanor, people generally wait until they know me fairly well before asking.
Maybe only in love it happened to me BAD (venus in scorp). When I pull the plug, or when my lover’s decide to leave it never just happens. One threatened to kill himself, told my parents, friends and grandma (!) that I was sleeping around and had sexual diseases, and a year AFTER told my new boyfriend the same, which took such a bad turn he left me. In milder forms, the same thing happened with others. It was 99% projection. It was so extreme that other people could not even take it in. But well, I have accepted it as a part of my energy, I suppose.
People tried to bully me at school, even though i was taller than everyone else i was a bit of a geek, but I’d only take so much before lashing out. I punched 1 girl in the face because she kept leaning over whispering nasty stuff in my ear. She didn’t do it again and in fact was horribly nice to me after which just turned my stomach. I used to get picked on by racists for having indian friends too and 1 girl i pushed off her bike after she’d been giving us abuse for too long. She didn’t do it again. I was brought up to ‘ignore them and they’ll go away’ and i did but if they didn’t go away, the hulk would emerge and i guess when i’m angry i look quite threatening. So push me if you like but suffer when i turn. I’m pretty much the same now, i’ll just ignore catty comments and the like and keep out of trouble because i like a peaceful existence and do my best to get on with people. Taurean, so a placid cow munching happily on the grass but once i’ve seen red i’m a raging bull.
Sorry meant to add have neptune in scorpio in 8th.
I am a Scorpio with Pluto on my ascendant. I have attracted projections for forever, only recently let up. Even my parents projected on my their own deepest fears and insanity.
I’m more of a “weirdo magnet” than a magnet for hate (Scorpio rising) these days, but I was disliked on sight in kindergarten, and by certain people thereafter. Luckily, the effect seems to have changed into “weirdo magnet” around the time I hit 18.
I have always wondered what it was that made “people hate me”. I am a Pisces Rising with Neptune in Scorpio in the 8th. My Mom, Daughter, and Brother all have Scorpio Risings. All of us complain that people just don’t get us. I have developed a great fear of job interviews, because I am sure that whomever were to evaluate me, would do so in a negative way. I was abused by women on my first job, and later jobs were also difficult with women. Don’t even bring up High School.
hahhahhhaaa - They see placid and sometimes even mild salsa, until it turns to literal hell on wheels (think Freddy Kruger’s Medusa of a MUTHA fresh from SF training camp on Carrie Prom Night ghoulish steroids) and you can actually see their face go into appalled mode and wondering “What the H just happened here and Oh Holy Sh*t & Dear Mother of G*d, I’ve stepped in it now” and then they freak, pee their pants and yes, you actually see them cartoonishly running in place trying to get away!!
1st house Scorpio Sun, Aries Moon w/Scorpio Rising, Jupiter and Neptune both in Scorpio, Mars in Taurus.
I’m much like Z above mentions. Nothing like unleashing the hellish fury of the bull! The Aries portion usually displays in me attempting to do my quickstepping zig-zag boxer style footwork to avoid them & their stupidity but if provoked it jumps in a bulldozer and razes them to the ground and then the Scorp portion digs ‘em a grave and stomps them into it.
And usually I try to warn them not to poke the bruise. Woe betides to them that ignore the warning. Oh, and while you’re at it, leave my friends or the downtrodden alone you imbecile! The Scorpio portion remembers what they did and will haunt and torment their soul throughout all eternity.
IOW, make especially sure you want a fight on your hands before we get started and I give you great heaps of applause for being smart enough to back away while the gettin’s good.
Your daughter will do just fine Elsa! Tell her to turn her death ray eyes upon the foolish and to give them the blank deadpan face combined with the “Eat dirt and die Sucka!!” look. That usually takes care of most except the totally unfocused and pitifully confused. Round two can usually be won w/zero blows by just going crazy-eyed & ‘you actually crazy enough to want a piece of this?’ on ‘em!
All my best to the little one. Ding, Ding, DING - you have a winner!!
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i have a scorpio sun conjunct pluto in the 12th house, and scorpio rising. i was bullied by my brothers when i was a kid, until i lifted a plastic monoblock chair and the only action i knew was to hit him repeatedly with it. the next morning his face had bruises all over, and they were careful with me ever since.
I’m 16. Sun sign Scorpio(8house),ScorpioMOON(8house), Mars(scorpio)8th house, Pluto Scorpio (8th house) my rising is Aries. AND THAT SAYS IT ALL.
I submitted a question right up this alley! So what I wonder is does a stellium in the 8th house in virgo manifest this way only worse?
I figured it was a powerful position to attract sexually, but in a good way not bad. Am I totally off base? Is this person really receiving a non stop “jokes on you” line-up of sexual encounters? Each suitor joking and teasing behind her back? Perhaps I should offer more sympathy?
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I can, speaking as a scorpio w/ pluto conjunct sun and mercury. I was picked on in middle school horribly, but it toughened me up a ton. It taught me how to overcome that kind of thing, and own my own self-confidence. By high school I had become a social butterfly. (Which may be partially due to Uranus conjunct Venus in the 7th and a Gemini Rising with Jupiter in the first house.)
But that experience of being made that kind of outsider, a kind of exile, helped me shape my identity in a very powerful way. It was a definite scorpionic kind of rising-from-ashes phase.