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Conversations With Ben - Speaking of Betrayal
Astrology in Real Life
Last night. We were catching up…
“Oh,” I said. “And this person and this person surface now and then.”
“They do? Well they both betrayed you and terribly. What are they doing showing up in your life now?” he asked.
“I don’t know.”
“Who do they think they’re dealing with?”
“I don’t know.”
“I don’t understand people who think they can do things like that and then come back. What do they think they are going to be able to say to you? Do they think you would have them do that to you once and you’d ever let them do it to you again?” he laughed. “I can’t believe they don’t know you better than that.”
“I don’t know. I have no idea what they think. What they’re doing is independent of me so I have no idea about it. And I can’t say I care one way or the other. They’ve gotten rid of me for good.”
“Yes, Elsa, they’ve done that.”
“And as to why they come back, who knows? I don’t know why people betray someone like me in the first place so what they do next is definitely beyond my imagination. They used to be part of my life but they’re operating outside my realm now. They can do whatever they want. They will never touch me, I have already been burned. It’s too bad but I don’t worry about them anymore. They’re on their own and can do whatever they like… they just can’t do it with me.”
Are you a Scorpio? What’s your 8th house look like?
13 Responses to “Conversations With Ben - Speaking of Betrayal”
Scorpio, 8th house Libra, with Pluto hangin out there. People who betray me rarely get another chance. There’ve been a few exceptions, but its a LONG road back.
Libra, with Mercury, Mars, Pluto, and Uranus all in the 8th House. I get betrayed often, actually. I forgive and agree to reassociate with the person once, after that–it’s over. I find it hard to let go of people, actually, and I think that’s why I’m willing to let them come back one time. The Libra in me often sees “both sides of the story” and is willing to give them the benefit of the doubt one time only. I used to get burned over and over (and over) by the same people and it is only since I’ve been in my 30’s that I’ve put a limit on it. I had to for my own sanity.
Mercury, Venus and Uranus in Libra plus Pluto in Virgo in my 8th house; I voted for “once.” But actually I do not seem to be betrayed very often, that I’ve noticed.
Now it’s once. It used to be much more than that, but I’ve learned, and am very conscious of betrayal now, whereas I used to go to great length to justify the other’s behaviour.
My 8th house is empty and I’m not a scorpio, but I have pluto in scorpio, trine my 12th house moon/merc conjunction and sextile neptune, so Scorpio energy and I tend to get along very well. My older brother, to whom I am very close, is a double scorp (asc & sun), and my character has been heavily shaped by his influence.
As I see it, I have an affinity for, and can access Scorpio energy, but it’s not the centre of who I am.
I voted twice, but that is probably innacurate. Its closer to once..lol. I think I put twice because you can hurt me twice, but not betray me.
8th house cancer.
Scorpio moon and ascendant. 8th house Cancer Venus. I rarely have been betrayed. They would be very unlikely to get a second chance.
I have to admit to being hurt by several people more than once. For some reason it is hard for me to let go once I decide it is meant to be. That includes “friends” and “more than friends”. But there is a line that can’t be crossed. Different with each person and for different reasons. But once you cross that line–I’m done and there is no going back. I never want to see you again, hear from you again or even about you again. It’s hard to shake me, cause I’m Taurus (Gemini cusp) but once you shake me, I’m shook!
But “they” always do seem to come crawling back. Like it’s all good and I love them so much I will, of course, forgive them like always. Most looking shocked that I have actually let them go, gone on with my life, and want nothing to do with them at all. You live and learn I guess… Don’t miss your water til your well runs dry.
Not sure if I have any Scorp in my chart…
I voted more than once.
I have let people get away with this (even though I find it soul crushing) because I absolutely HATE telling people I am upset by how they have hurt me. I just want the hurt to disappear.
Unfortunately burying my head in the sand backfires. I had to end a friendship recently over multiple betrayals, and part of the responsibility (of the end) was mine. I was simply unable to stand up and speak out when I was betrayed. I freeze like a deer in headlights (oh please just make it go away!!)
Scorpio’s on my MC. My 8th house is empty.
Isn’t it crazy how we let fear of letting go keep us in bad situations? I guess the devil you know is better than the devil “out there”.
I used to take my fear of letting go as devotion—but now I know it is fear of causing someone else pain. Don’t know if that’s because I fear KARMA or just because I am scared of change–but I’m working on finding out.
Anyway, I know change is part of life and a necessary thing, but never easy. Letting go hurts so much cause you keep questioning yourself and your feelings and start wondering if you are crazy for leaving yourself open to such an A** in the first place and only making the same stupid mistakes you made the last time:
God, I thought you were sending this person to me as an answer to my prayers, so how come it didn’t work out? Why did I believe in this so much? Are you playing head games with me? Do you think this is funny?!” (I talk to God like that cause he’s my Boy!!!!)
This world continues and will alway continue to move in seasons… And, sad to say, we continue to try to stretch seasonal situations into “forever after” situations, cause we are trying so hard to control every part of our lives. I only hope we will one day be able to listen to our hearts and make the right choices for ourselves…
After all, isn’t it God who controles our hearts?
I chose twice. I figure that everyone deserves a second chance. I have an empty eighth house but three planets in Scorpio.
hmmm. saturn in scorpio, midheaven is barely in sagg, pluto in scorpio in the 8th house, scorpio south node. once someone screws me over, it is hard if not impossible to trust them again. however, it has to be something seriously bad, which happens more often than not with close friends and family. if you are my friend and you have betrayed me in some way, you had best hope i don’t find out because the relationship, at least on my side is forever changed.
as for family, you can never really cut them out of your life completely, but there are simply some areas will they will NEVER venture again.
[Formerly Inept] =)
…I think there’s a discrepancy between “hurt” and “betrayed”. Betrayal seems more conscious, more aware of the implications. Whereas “hurt” is a person’s reaction to a sting, a person with a papercut or from a carcrash. There are different levels of hurt. And it could’ve been accidental.
But, betrayal goes deep. Betrayal feels like it goes into the structures (haha bowels?) of how you thought your life existed. It goes deep within how you’ve perceived the colors and tastes around you. Your relationships. The people you love. And the people you thought you should love.
I think I voted for other response, because I haven’t been able to identify “betrayal” properly… Until Elsa’s post on Tuesday, April 24th, at least. [Thank you.] I keep thinking that it’s just because something I did wrong that caused betrayal. Something that if I did things right, it would just stop and go away. So, I just labeled it something else. And, I kept getting betrayed/hurt, but redirected it so much that I didn’t know how or what it was anymore. In one sense, I’ve never been betrayed. In another, I’ve had my “energy” betrayed and misused by a friend or two… multiple times. I am becoming aware now.
8th house: Neptune, Sagittarius.
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Scorpio, yes, 8th house Pisces, south node.Due, I think to Pluto rising, more than one person has been determined to betray me over and over.