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Jupiter in Sagittarius - Philosophy on Education
Astrology in Real Life…
More from the conversation with my daughter around what to expect if she spoke to Denis from Cameroon..
“But honey. If you’re talking to Denis?”
“Yeah?”
“And you tell him you got a bad report card?”
“Yes?”
“Well he’s not going to be too impressed, believe me. He is not going to like that,” I said.
A couple weeks back, the soldier called on that phone and my daughter started talking to him. She wound up telling him she got a bad report card which meant I found out about my daughter’s report card from the soldier. So this is the kind of thing she does. She’s just talks to whoever about whatever is going on. And I can’t imagine where she got that… but anyway, I saw an opportunity here, so I took it.
“Yeah, Denis doesn’t think much of bad grades the people who get them,” I said. He’s got two daughters… they’re both in college. He does not believe in scrimping when it comes to education. That’s what he says, in fact. You should never scrimp on your education. He said that to me. It’s his belief.”
Education and a person’s beliefs are both Jupiter / Sagittarius ruled, as is “foreigners”.
“Scrimp? What is that?”
“It means be cheap. It means, not do your best. Denis thinks you should always try to learn as much as you can at all times. He doesn’t think much of people who do otherwise.”
“Oh,” she said, getting the message.
My daughter tests in the 99th percentile. She may be ill but with an intellect like that; there is no excuse for a bad report card.
What were you taught about education?
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The same as Denis. And, also, that learning is FUN, that it adds to your delight in life, opens your horizons, and is deeply pleasurable. I was very shocked to find out that for some people education was about getting into the right college so that you could get a high-paying job (I mean, I was shocked when I was 16). I was also taught to be down to earth about knowledge and not to use it as a way of making people feel inferior or as a way to boost one’s ego. One of my pet peeves is that smart people are so often portrayed as jerks or geeks in popular culture. Learning is a kick and an intense source of pleasure; there’s lots of intellectuals who vibrate with so much childlike joy and enthusiasm that their company is a delight. I know, I grew up with an uncle like that.
Dear Elsa: it could be politically incorrect to say it, but I found the education terribly boring That with a sadge AS (2‚
..I mean Elsa, a centaur soul as could be your child (still more radical even with that pluto tere) I think that episode about the store could be an exciting experimentation for her (Although my Virgo mom could have said to me I gonna experiment kicking your ass ;D ;D )
Education was a non-negotiable thing in my house growing up. It was something you were required to do, because smart people moved forward with their lives and were fulfilled. ‘Stupid’ people, for the lack of a better antonym, were stuck working at fast food restaurants, living paycheck to paycheck.
As an adult (and a mother), I’ve learned that education is key to easing the path you want to walk down, but personal choice (to include further educating yourself) is also a strong deciding factor. I tell my kids that it is very important that they do well in school, because they have big dreams — he wants to be a scientist, she an astronaut — and they cannot achieve them by slacking off on their education.
I’ve also, alternately to my parents, made a big, showy effort in front of them to display that even their mom is continuing to educate herself to follow my own dreams.
So far it’s working!
My parents didn’t have to say anything, really. I was born a reader and an explorer, a learner and a discoverer. It was intrinsic to who I was. I loved school. I was also born with an innate drive towards excellence, so doing my homework was a non-issue. Doing anything other than my best would not have occurred to me. My parents were supportive in a background kind of way. I really didn’t need any prodding or even them ‘beaming over my successes’. I was pretty much self-driven and self-rewarded, and this has continued to this day.
Education was first and foremost in my mom’s raising of us kids. We were dirt poor, my dad didn’t learn to read until he was 15, from my mom, I was born two years later and bam, I was reading at 3 years old, started school the next year. I have most of my planets in sag, and though I’ve had many obstacles in my own education but I just starting pursuing it again (Thanks Jupiter in Sagg) but am having difficulties (thanks Saturn transiting the 9th).
If it weren’t for my education, from my parents and from institutions, I never would have broke the cycle.
my mom couldn’t have kept books out of my hands if she tried… so she didn’t, and encouraged me to learn to ‘make a better life’ for myself. i’m sure she meant it in the economic sense, but now it’s a personal gratification thing. when people ask me what i’m going to do with my degree, i say, “Hopefully? Get paid to learn for the rest of my life.”
Btw, I have Jupiter in the 9th house (i.e. in its natural house) and straddling the cusp of Scorpio and Sadge (so it’s interpreted as being in Sadge, its natural sign). So education? I’m totally wired for it!! (Jupiter in Sadge in 9th)
Also have many other factors in my chart that complement and amplify that. I’m all about ‘learning’, in a hundred ways.
Education was never a big thing in our house. My parents were too wrapped up in their own drama to pay much attention to that kind of thing, so it’s a good thing I never needed much prodding in that regard.
I’ve been reading almost as long as I can remember - in all honestly, I think I was learning to read before three. I can remember associating words in “Pat the Bunny” with the pictures (the one I clearly remember is “face”) before we made the whirlwind tour of New England the month of my third birthday.
I have to wonder, does Mosta feels challenged enough by her classes? I’m also one of those 99th percentile kids, and I know that I started bringing home less-than-stellar grades right around the time I was inordinately bored by my schoolwork. Just a theory.
My dad is a teacher and my mom didn’t finish college, so I have to admit that I felt quite pressured to go into higher education. I did, however, feel a rapport with teachers and educators in general and always seemed to get along better with them than my classmates.
I think parents should be particularly careful about projecting those types of expectations on their kids–whether it’s education, religion or another topic. On the one hand, you want to instill certain values in them–on the other hand you don’t want to scare them into a corner. I’m trying to figure this out as a new parent. I know that it’s impossible not to be quirky as a parent, and to make some mistakes, etc. I remember my dad always complaining about the school system and throwing a ruckus here and there. He used to buy us educational/math/etc games–he seemed to want us all to be scientists or people in a very left-brained field, but as fate would have it–my family is VERY right-brained and we’re all artists, musicians and writers (including him, really–which is the strange irony).
Sooo…ironically, as well, I taught some classes in art, which was a sort of marriage of what my dad did and what I did (art). My dad actually told us kids (half-jokingly) never to teach. He was very much against the framework and politics of the school…but I found it enjoyable. I just remember how I wanted to please him by being Mrs. Math and Science–even though it was my weak point, and remains so to this day.
So…well I guess the lesson there is–you can provide support and encouragement to your kids. You can threaten them or give them ultimatums or steer them in directions, but they are going to go where they need to go..so be ready for it.
Your Uncle,
Hannah
ooh….
p.s. Saturn in the 9th, North Node in Virgo in the 9th(higher education)…stellium in the 3rd house (primary education).
soooo yeah…oy.
I didn’t have to be taught anything about it; I took to it naturally, and eventually became a librarian so I could go on learning about whatever people come in and ask me about. (Jupiter conjunct my Sun in the 9th house.)
My parents made it an issue to encourage intellectual curiosity and expose my siblings and I to the arts and sciences while growing up. Trips to museums, historical sites, and other cities were a regular weekend affair. My mom still loves to do these things and it is something she was excited to restart once she had grandchildren.
If we showed an interest in a field of learning they supported it with telescopes, chemistry sets, books, fossils (dinosaurs!) etc.. extracurricular dance, music and art classes. My dad is something of a book depository and if we had any questions he was usually a good place to start, and he insured regular outings to sporting events and movies while growing up.
I don’t know the natal charts of my family but I’m positive that Mercury, Jupiter, the 3rd and 9th Houses are emphasized because the majority of us are a bunch of chatter boxes. The noise level at family functions is deafening. And I come from a big Irish Family: six pairs of aunts and uncles, four siblings, thirty-two first cousins, and the list keeps getting bigger. And most of the branches of the family get together on a regular basis.
Higher education was emphasized, we *had* to go to college. My mom never had the opportunity to go so there was no debate over it (Scorp Mars). She’s not an uneducated woman (five planets in Virgo) but that BA is the difference between $4,000 in paychecks for her chosen profession, which oddly enough is in higher education.
As far as I’m concerned my higher education has been haphazard at best (Uranus and Neptune in the 3rd) while my education has been a steady expansion (Venus/MC Gemini 9th; Virgo Jupiter conj Leo Mars/Moon/NN in 11th, trine Sun/Neptune, sextile MC, square Uranus).
What was I taught about education? That it is expensive, but there are ways to teach yourself things if you want to learn them. The library, afterall, is free.
I was taught that much like 300 years ago, ‘higher education’ is affordable only to the rich…being in debt to the government $50,000 is the kind of thing my parents cannot even conceptualize.
I have mixed feelings about higher education. I have done 2 years of a degree, have taken time off, and mourned the loss of an intellectual environment. I hate that I have to borrow money to afford it. But I know that it is an evil necessity! I am the only one I know who reads about comparative theology and philosphy for fun–except for my Dad!
I have Pluto in the 9th house.
I wasn’t taught much about education, where i come from no one goes to college, expect some from my generation. no one in the closes familly. My parents never went to school meetings and rarely cared about homework. I went to college when it came the time, it was something I wanted because i knew i didn’t want to stagnate, but it happened kind of accidently.
My parents are proud that I did go to college. I’m hoping to finish this year. I’m not a great student, but I need to learn. uranus in the 9 ruling the chart.
Nothing much: if I was doing OK I was doing OK. In fact I always excelled without me being conscious of this (until a few years ago when I graduated with distinction from one of the best universities in the world. For the first time EVER I thought: this must mean I am smart. It took me completely by surprise. I was ignorant about my intellect, which is funny really)
I have two very different kids so I have two very different approaches. My daughter is an easy student. It all came easy for her. My son struggles quite a bit. I know how smart they are. I also know that stuff that Jocelyn got an A in is equal to Michael’s C in some cases. I honor that. I am raising people, not grades.
Cassi (#17): “I am raising people, not grades.”
You rock, girl!