Apr
17

Am I Doomed? Jealous Scorpio Moon with Pluto In Scorpio Wants To Know: Part One

Dear Elsa,

I’m afraid I’ll end up alone.

I’m a very jealous person when it comes to relationships. Porn, strip clubs… anything to do with men looking at other women makes my blood boil. I can’t help this, as much as I want to ignore it. A lot of the women I know don’t get offended or upset by things that I normally would. They just don’t think it’s a big deal.

It’s so common nowadays for men to have wandering eyes that a lot of women have just learned to live with it. My mother always tells me, “Learn to live with it, or end up alone.” This really makes me sad.

I was cheated on four years ago by my first love, after we had been together for 2 ‚

scorpio jewelryDear Miserable,

You are absolutely not doomed to be alone and yes, I do think you will get over your jealousy but only because you want to.

You have a Scorpio Moon and Pluto in Scorpio, and no one is going to tell you what to do. So how about I just talk to you and if we’re both lucky, something in here will help.

First I want you to know you are not the only one with these type feelings. You are not the only one who feels self-loathing, who feels as if they are some kind or ogre who is universally repulsive, especially to the self. It happens to me, too.

There are times I feel like anyone who interacts with me will be besmirched. I feel as if I am covered in boils and everyone has just found out! And I feel so hapless. I walk around like that, for God and everyone to witness, because I don’t think there is any way to help or change this reality… that is, that I am a monster.

It happens to my friend Ben (a Scorpio) who becomes what he calls, “subhuman”. And when this happens, he isolates himself in his apartment, lying under the covers with the door locked, the phone off, and the shades drawn… until the darkness lifts enough he deems himself “fit for humans again”.

It also happens to my man (another Scorpio) who goes into what he calls “a spider hole” where he will not communicate for days. He does not talk much after one of these periods; he keeps his process very private.

It happens to anyone (like you) with significant Scorpio/Pluto/8th house energy in their chart. Periods of intense self-loathing are part of the package. And if you wonder what this has to do with your post, well it is the basis of your fear. Of all of your fears! Think about it.

You have someone who loves you, yet you expect doom around every corner. You expect they will wake up one day to discover you suck! You expect them to realize you are a horrible slimy repulsive creature, when chances are; this is the furthest thing from their mind.

Further, you expect that eventually someone else will cross their path and catch their eye causing them to leave you… in pain that is unspeakable and almost unimaginable. But you know what?

If you can get on top of this, you will have no problems attracting (and keeping) a partner and none of your fears will manifest. The feelings of self-loathing may be non-negotiable, but the rest of this is - and I will come back tomorrow, and start drawing you a map.

To be continued.

~~
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20 Responses to “Am I Doomed? Jealous Scorpio Moon with Pluto In Scorpio Wants To Know: Part One”

1.
SaDiablo
SaDiablo

OOoooh… *settles in with popcorn*

I’m very interested in the answer to this puzzle. I may not be a Scorp moon (only Uranus in Scorp), but I do have a focus in the 8th house. Since I’m also being forced to work through some of my possessive/jealous issues, this looks like a fun question!

 
2.
Lise
Lise

~settles in~

~wonders if SaDiablo will let her have a handful of popcorn… or two…~ :-)

 
3.
Scorpio By Night
Scorpio By Night

Wow, I was just about to ask the same question as Miserable. I, too, wonder if my jealousy will one day leave me on the outside, looking in… and that bit about self-loathing was especially true, since the moment my jealous side emerges, I confront loved ones about it and they get offended. At which point, I feel very guilty and hate myself for even doubting them.

(If you’re curious, I have both Moon & Pluto in Scorpio with the Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Jupiter in the 8th House. Pluto also makes contact with some of my personal planets. I have a Sun Sextile Pluto aspect, a Moon Conjunct Pluto aspect, and a Venus Square Pluto aspect.)

 
4.
Indy
Indy

It isn’t self-loathing! Elsa, please! WHAT would you do if Soldier went to a strip club? You would go fucking nuts, wouldn’t you? Swing a helmet or something?? You want this man at home for you and you alone!

I can’t believe you gave this advice. It’s so not Elsa.

I know this advice was given like two years ago, but come on!

 
5.
Elsa
Elsa

Er… Indy, I used to go to strip clubs WITH the soldier when we were kids. This would be 30 years ago lonnnnnnnnnnng before it was en vogue.

It also looks as if half this question is missing… at least this is the case using firefox so really I don’t know what I was answering here.

 
6.
Indy
Indy

Yeah, maybe back then when you were kids, but now??? Forget about what was en vogue, now, if you were at home cooking him beans or chicken Valenciana or whatever, if you knew he was somewhere else looking at some chick shaking her tits, and then coming home to you and your cooking that you had spent hours on, you wouldn’t be “cool” with that, would you? I find that REALLLY hard to believe. Enlighten us on this dichotomy. I totally think you would kick his ass.

 
7.
Elsa
Elsa

I should clarify - going to a strip club is a different thing then grabbing some gal and deliberately trying to incite me to kill him by dancing alongside me a sexily as humanly possible while pretending he’s never seen me in his life.

 
8.
goddess
goddess

i think the answer mentioning self-loathing confused indy into thinking that you were saying an objection to strip clubs is defined as self-loathing. you were getting it from the chart, not from the symptoms described by the poster.

 
9.
Indy
Indy

Ya still wouldn’t like it, Elsa. The helmet would fucking fly.

Has he dared do this recently?

 
10.
Indy
Indy

goddess, don’t interpret things for me. Thanks, hon!!

 
11.
Elsa
Elsa

Again Indy, I can’t see the question so I don’t know what I responding to and I just don’t remember what else this person said.

As to the soldier going to a strip bar if he really felt the need, I would not bother him about it provided it was a fluke. I am not sure how long you have been reading my blog but I spent 3 years with a painter who routinely had naked models at his apartment… in his bed even to photograph them and I did not have a problem with this.

Now if a man made a habit of going to strip bars and gawking at women, you are right, I would leave him. I would also leave any man who spent time of any significance sitting in front of a computer with his dick in his hand… I have stated this many times.

I would also dump a man who sexualized other women (disrespecting me) by looking around on a date but whatever this person said… it did not fall into this paradigm. But AGAIN, I cannot see the question and further, my editor EDITS the advice questions after I write the advice and there have been times he has taken significant pieces out in error that make my response seem silly and this may be one of those cases as well - I just don’t know.

Thing is if you are consumed with jealousy and wish to control a person to the extreme - You WILL end up alone.. People are human and they have sexual thoughts. I know I do and if every time I did, the man I was with had his blood boil.. well I’m sorry but I am going to go somewhere where I can breathe…. leave some other gal to live in that kind of oppression.

 
12.
Indy
Indy

Well, in light of your feedback, I can see what you’re saying… I guess.

Still, you seem to have zero tolerance of other women (Laundry Lady in Motel comes to mind) in your man’s face, and stuff like this seems really inconsistent.

I couldn’t do naked models with a SO, nor would I expect a SO to be okay with me splaying out naked on another man’s bed for him to drool over and paint, so vive la difference!

 
13.
Elsa
Elsa

I just asked him:

“If you went to a strip bar do you figure I’d mind?’

He looked at me curiously. ‘I don’t know. We used to go to strip bars when we were kids…”

“Yeah, but do you think I’d be jealous?”

“Don’t know. Guess not but my strip bar days are long gone. I haven’t been to a strip bar since I was… 27 years old or so.”

There you go. Outgrew it at his solar return.

Does not mean his brother could not show up, ply him with liquor and get him to a bar. In fact, he shows up, I’d expect this and most definitely do nothing at all to interfere.

I figure a man is an adult. He can do what he wants and so can I. If he does something I don’t like I’ll tell him. If he continues to do it I will either leave him or let it go but what I will not do is police someone.

In this case, the soldier and I see eye to eye. He is easily as jealous as I am - we love each other, respect each other so we don’t play games with this stuff.. way too much to lose.

 
14.
Elsa
Elsa

laundry lady did not bother ME, she bothered the soldier. He had to *PAY me to go run her off. I had no jealousy of her whatsoever.

I am jealous but only of someone I feel is a threat, for example they would have to look like me, (my coloring that he is attracted to) and they would have to be paying inordinate attention to him. In that scenario, someone is going to meet Jesus.

Alternately it is not a good idea to try to provoke me (like he did when he danced with that girl) because I will pull a Bonnie Raitt on you (go out and get TWO men).. but the soldier learned this when he was a teenager. I smashed the shit out of his brand new motorcycle you know.. I don’t think it was worth it. ;)

 
15.
Indy
Indy

See? Strip bars are out for you two right now. So you go and say this woman is being unreasonable for expecting her man from enjoying the same. She doesn’t want a man who goes to strip clubs, and you’re saying she’s being too controlling. She knows what she wants, just like you do and always have. Why put a “man’s” immaturity issues on a woman who wants marriage material?

It doesn’t matter what you can or cannot see vis-a-vis what was edited out; you gave some advice that might not have been in line with who she is as a person. Girlfriend is not “covered in boils” - she knows what she’s not comfortable with. I would have given her some support instead of damning her to accept The Superiority of Wandering Dick.

 
16.
Elsa
Elsa

Okay, Indy, I give up. To best of my knowledge I stand by what I wrote. If I made an error, I am sorry but I don’t know that I made an error and I have no way of finding out so this is just going to have to be a situation where you don’t agree with advice I gave which seems reasonable to me.

 
17.
Cassi
Cassi

re - this last comment: Elsa, your blog is a homework assignement for all of us to work our truth. Sometimes our truth does not match up with yours. Being the bratty rebellious kids we are, I guess we might question you instead of thanking you for allowing us understand that we are supposed to question. Being a grown up, and you are, you will forgive us all, shake your head and much later mention a little “I told you so” story go humble us. Bless you.

 
18.
goddess
goddess

indy, i was just hoping to be helpful. i won’t repeat the error with regards to you. and for my personal request, i dislike being called “hon” when i’m being chastised. thanks.

peace out.

 
19.
Indy
Indy

Whatever.

 
20.
Elsa
Elsa

Just FYI - Indy made a comment that was caught in the filter. I mistakenly deleted it (I am tired, clicked the wrong click). Sorry about that.

Just scrolled up Re: goddess (did not see the prior) and yes I am pretty sure this woman went on and on and BEGGED I write what I did. After all I wrote to her for days so obviously I cared very much.

As for “crawling with worms and being repulsive” - this is not something everyone is going to relate to and these advice pieces are not written for *everyone* but for a specific chart.

Indy, I don’t think you are being fair judging me without the complete information. Obviously you feel strongly about this but you don’t have the whole story (either do I) and I strongly feel I deserve at least *some benefit of the doubt here.

 


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